MEP will vote on the final version of Article 13 in April. Can we do something about it?

What does US censor now? More so outside of their borders? What can't you say or end up extradited from your country to US and jailed just for saying it?

The supposedly anti-establishment far-right supports article 13. What a surprise.
At least the divide is clear between the left and the right. Easy to know who to avoid supporting.

So where is this prosperous country? Oh yeah it bankrupted.
P.S. I lived in USSR for some years. I don't need you communist "history book".

Yeah this is actually pretty surprising. Next election basically is just about article 13 for me. I don't care about left or right. I will vote only for those that will do the right thing and I will definitely will vote this time.

Don't give a shit. Burn it all down. Over-regulation to the point of destruction is the fastest way to balkanize the internet.

It bankrupted when it adopted liberal policies lmao

It adopted liberal policies because it could not sustain itself anymore. It was too little too late to save that system. Maybe you should buy some real history books that are not so biased.

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This, the EU is pretty much fascist.

In a way I agree with you - this could give us some interesting decentralization technologies. But like I said before I am afraid of something more nefarious in the future if we can't stop this precedent.

It's not at all surprising. Nazi's cried about censorship yet the second they got into power they removed the right to free speech and assembly. Far right have been using this article 13 to attack the EU, yet it's actually the kind of legislation they want.

There is a whole lot of misinformation about article 13 out there. There is no "link tax" (EU doesn't even collect taxes), nor does it ban memes (in fact it does the opposite, it would make works of parody fall under fair use). I do not like the amount of legal liability it puts on websites though.

>so biased
It literally crashed because of those liberal policies. Until then, there was only a recession (like capitalism nowadays)
Don't worry, I grew up in a catholic school, I know what is biased

> wrong socialism!
And right one never happened anywhere

Google "perestroika"

Dude you hardly could find where to buy shoes wtf are you talking about? Just stop.

> everything had been so great and then out of the blue gorbachev came and ruined it
Yeah I've read propaganda pamphlets aka russian history books.

It makes user generated content hosted in Europe impossible. And they would have to block outside sites that do not comply somehow (great china firewall?) or try to arrest and extradite owners somehow (which is getting into really scary fascist zone). And there would be precedent for the future when we might see even worse laws proposed and pushed from non elected technocrats if they know they can get away from it.

>Thread about article 13
> Jow Forums-fags turn this into a "muh communizm/capitalism" shitfest

Divide and conquer is how *they* win

Why would capitalist russia make propaganda about the system that is against capitalism?

na i want to be able to charge eurocucks to shitpost for them

If only it were.

Well who else would write about the dead country they replaced?
> capitalist russia
Sorry, I didn't realized you were retarded. Stay brave, kiddo.

Right I'm not defending article 13, you just gotta admit there is a fuckton of misinformation being spread. Like what I mentioned the link tax. This is being spread as if there is an actual tax that must be paid to the EU to link to stuff, which is complete and utter bullshit. And the same with the meme banning thing.

I can definitely see how it can cause major problems for social media sites, because of the huge amount of liability they can occur for their users actions (for example having to attempt to pre-filter uploaded copyright material). But you have to admit this whole thing is being used as part of a misinformation campaign against the EU.

Most right wingers are freaking the fuck out about this, they are the ones spreading the most misinformation about link-taxes etc, yet it's the right wing parties they support who are pushing this. Every right wing party supports it and every left wing party opposes it, yet vast majority of people think it's the opposite way around.

Tell me why Russia is not capitalist

Pro tip: you can't

Yup! Just look at all thes concentration camps, the slave labour and the neverending war to increase its own territory. I mean, just getting failed laws passed by a bunch of braindead selfservatives to please some fucking lobbyists wouldn't qualify as actual fascism, right?

Based

Pick any big valuable Russian company from "free market" and trace the owners, retard.

"Link tax" is Article 11 and is about license for "previewing" the link (something that google or facebook is doing) and is equally retarded as Article 13.

Right but if one more person tells me that we'll have to pay a tax to the EU for linking stuff I will lose my shit, because this is what is being spread around by right wingers.

>killing the internet
Now that's based

Pick any big valuable American company from "free market" and trace the owners, retard.

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I guess it's equally good as those people might also take action just for the wrong reasons. You can stay calm thinking this way

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Fuck EU, fuck Europe, fuck Europeans, fuck white people, fuck shitskins, and fuck jews and niggers.

Taking action in this context would be voting for the right wing parties which are the ones pushing this.

>The european soviet union
I fucking wish

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Does it mean who are the owners? The important thing is that they're bourgeoisie, doesn't matter if it's public or private

The difference is in who owns who, retard, but I appreciate your nazism.

good it what needs to happen so these fags can grab spoons and rebel

It adopted liberal policies to try and recover the USSR from destitution after socialism left it stagnating since the 70s.
Look at China to see what happens when economic liberalisation is done correctly.

same thing. probably going to vote for center-left if they oppose article 13. Weird how left-wing parties care more about civil freedoms than "liberal" ones.

>It adopted liberal policies to try and recover the USSR from destitution after socialism left it stagnating since the 70s
The stagnation happened because of end of industralisation. It wasn't socialism because the USSR had faster growing economy than capitalist countries and industralized more quickly. Same with china now and eastern germany in the past, You hear the bullshit that it's magic of the free market or someshit about china but I guess they have never read how china economy works and how "free" it is.

Yeah the goal now is to make it known to candidates. EU has pretty low turnout so if we organize it might decisive. The problem that those sneaky cunts setup everything to vote before the election so it's much harder to prevent it now.

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>Stagnation happened because of end of industrialisation
Yeah and it ended because the USSR was incapable of providing continuous economic growth, look at how West Germany, and the United States managed to constantly provide real GDP and GDP per capita increases year by year despite already becoming developed and industrialised nations long ago.
>The USSR had faster growing economy than capitalist countries
It was slower than Japan and West Germany, and in the 1960s GDP per capita growth slowed significantly in comparison with the US and Western Europe. Underdeveloped nations can benefit from a socialist economy but in the long run an industrialised capitalist nation will eclipse an industrialised socialist country.
>You hear the bullshit that it's the magic of the free market about China
Not necessarily a laissez-faire economy but China's economic miracle began when Deng Xiaoping pushed his market-economy reforms in the late 70s, at the time when the USSR began it's economic decline. I'm not saying that le capitalism instantly = success and
le communism = le bad but the USSR in the late 20th century was clusterfuck of its own design.

semantics, only thing that matters is that both of these systems are using authoritarian or even dictatorial means to control and exploit the population and cement their power/keep the status quo

t. slav who lived under both systems and I can tell you that if you oppose official narrative, the results are similar to what was happening 30+ years ago, only difference is they wont call you burgeois nationalist these day, but white nationalist

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>concentration camps
Jewish lies.

So which one do you faggots actually want?

> if they are trying to get elected again. Then we could pressure them with strong social media campaign
This for example. MEP are elected using proportional representation and in most cases a party-list proportional representation.
Or in clear: you don't vote for individuals.
OP is a brainlet

>Yeah and it ended because the USSR was incapable of providing continuous economic growth, look at how West Germany, and the United States managed to constantly provide real GDP and GDP per capita increases year by year despite already becoming developed and industrialised nations long ago.
It kinda helps being being open to world markets. I mean only the USSR and few countries in the Warsaw pact were industrialized and relatively rich + post 1960's USSR was becoming a mistake. By comparison the US had all of western europe, japan and south korea which also meant a larger population.
>It was slower than Japan and West Germany, and in the 1960s GDP per capita growth slowed significantly in comparison with the US and Western Europe. Underdeveloped nations can benefit from a socialist economy but in the long run an industrialised capitalist nation will eclipse an industrialised socialist country.
I would say that it caused by the economy becoming to big to manage by central planning. There is the possibility of central planing for large economies but it would mean having good computers which is something the USSR didn't have.

>party-list proportional representation
This isn't true, I specifically voted for my MEP's by name.

>Being open to world markets
This isn't something that was denied to the USSR because of American interference. It was entirely of Moscow's design.
>I would say it was caused by the economy becoming to big to manage by central planning
Thus by you own admission the USSR's government and economic model was responsible for it's decline.

>MAFIAA over citizens's interests
It isn't a surprise they are right wing.

>in most cases
Also it is still pressure. "Party X is against internet - don't vote for them!" social media campaign can be very effective in low turnout election. I know we can't do much, but can at least try.

Gommies on Jow Forums

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Communism is dead just like nazism, you retards are obsessed beyond belief.

>t. hasn't been to a university

>This isn't something that was denied to the USSR because of American interference. It was entirely of Moscow's design.
Being dependent on other countries while being USSR is kind of bad. The US tried frequently to fuck USSR by keeping the oil prices low for instance and there were attempts to bring down USSR since 1918 by western powers.
>Thus by you own admission the USSR's government and economic model was responsible for it's decline.
yes, central planning was good for industrialization but they should have adopted similar markets like Yugoslavia had. The problem of the USSR seemed to stem from the fact they didn't have the knowledge how to plan. I remember reading that while USSR was the biggest boots producer none of their boots were of quality or right size. This is something markets or central planing with computers could have fixed. The bureaucracy of the USSR was also retarded and should have been fixed.

>Tried to fuck USSR by keeping oil prices low
Citation needed.
>The problem of the USSR seemed to stem from the fact that they didn't know how to plan
The USSR had more experience than any other country in the world with planned economies since Stalin's 5 year plans, the problem is that it was practically impossible to predict the the late soviet economy, which in parallel to western countries, saw an increasingly large and diversifying demands for consumer goods, not mountains and mountains of grain and shoes. It just isn't viable, you end up needing to build underground bases supercomputers and AIs to meet demands, and a computer today probably couldn't do it anyway.

The are no single election system in EU. It might be different country by country.

the absolute state of the right

Except it's not that simple and pretty much all German representatives are supportive for example

>Can we do something about it?
Yes

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What? We vote for our MEPs here.

You are a branlet though. It's MEPs not MEP's.

who would want to vote for someone getting bad publicity? this is a money game, you don't invest on the one that might go down any second

What are you talking about, I actually lived turning those times. It's not propaganda.

You pussies won't do shit against it. You'll just let it happen and sigh.

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>Citation needed.
Can't find it now. Even then the USA frequently tried to fuck over any socialist country. The only countries that are socialist today are the authoritarian ones because they are the ones who survived coup attempts. We don't hear much about socialist Chile or Guatemala do we?
>the problem is that it was practically impossible to predict the the late soviet economy,
Yeah, that was my point. They didn't have the information to make good decisions and this is something socialist markets could have fixed. Dissolving the USSR and turning Russia capitalist was retarded. They could have gone the way of China, Yugoslavia or at least have a social democracy. I don't know who can say the transition to capitalism the way Russia did was good.
you end up needing to build underground bases supercomputers and AIs to meet demands,
Kinda, pic related

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The USA fucked over a lot of socialist countries in the third world I wont deny that.
>And this is something socialist markets could have fixed
This is something that the USSR and Warsaw Pact countries tried and failed to do so. How did China overcome this hurdle? Liberalisation of the economy.
>Who can say the transition to capitalism the way Russia did was good.
Nobody, literally a complete fucking mess and resulted in a geopolitical catastrophe for Moscow.

internet is dying. there's nothing left to save.´, just enjoy what's left of the ride.

>This is something that the USSR and Warsaw Pact countries tried and failed to do so.
When did the USSR try market socialism? The only thing I could find is that it was discussed but not implemented. Or do you mean Gorbachev reforms?

By socialist markets I thought you were talking about a regular socialist economy, not a normal market economy my bad.

>commiebaiting
The article 13 is pushed mostly by conservatives and opposed by social democrats, user. Clearly, the Union is not left-wing enough.

I know that.

That fucking picture.
I wish the EU was communist. They are capitalist neo liberals (same as the US) with a semi functional welfare state. This bill is in the interest of the capitalist class. I knew that Jow Forums was economically and politically illiterate but this is just ridiculous.

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EU is socialist as fuck it's nowhere near US.
Anyway this bill doesn't make sense at any point of political spectrum because it is retarded. Picture is related to authoritarianism and censorship of USSR and not to its economic system.

Holy shit had no idea the soviet union was so based and redpilled. Thanks for the tip user

A lot of past countries could seem based and redpilled if you imagine that you in the top 1% there and not just some slave boy.
If you die in Siberia Gulag USSR probably wouldn't seem based and redpilled.

>socialist
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

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There is nothing you can do about it. You will just have to learn to live with it.

>(((right wing parties)))

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who the fuck cares? eu is irrelevant

Kill yourself, discord tranny.

Not for me as I live there