It's OK for me to steal this meat, I wasn't going to pay for it anyway

If a site has anti addblocker, you can just turn off java script on that domain.

>>It's OK for me to steal this meat, I wasn't going to pay for it anyway.
>Downloading copyrighted software is the practical equivalent of stealing
you're intentionally omitting the fact that piracy creates a copy and doesn't take away someone else's copy aren't you?

>blocking ads is the practical equivalent of stealing
is everything all right user? do you have brain damage?

>Adblocking is also killing the free web. There will be no alternative business model, just a regression to a less feature rich web. We will all suffer.
>implying that's a bad thing

2/10 made me reply

>be OP
>walk around thinking about big black dicks in my ass
>see someone making a perfect copy of a car
>call 911
>they do nothing because it's not a crime

and I hope you suffer the most, fag.

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Or use an anti-anti-adblocker (Nano Defender).

Or, in the rare case that fails, instead of turning off all scripts, open up the logger and find the anti-adblock script itself and just block that (may take some trial and error).

>blocking ads is a crime
they mine and steal my personal data so its perfectly fine to block them

It's not the same as other anons pointed out but I'd also steal groceries.

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how do websites detect adblockers? will they fuck off if I add ad domains to my hosts?

>It doesn't cost you any materials to produce, just your time and effort
>Dun be greedy bro

Why are people so retarded to not realise that internet content is closer to a service and not a product? Do you really think their time and effort is worth nothing? Obviously not or you wouldn't want the results of their services.

This wold be more like going to a farm, shoving bull semen up a cow's vag, and taking the cow's offspring to raise for yourself.

Holy shit, pirating can remove the original?
brb pirating Winblows 10

Suck my chode you fucking faggot.

Yes, I actually agree. We need to monetize more things not less.
Bloggers, artists, musicians, youtubers even free software hackers all deserve money for their work, however on the internet you usually have few winners who make a lot, and many losers. This needs to change so that each of us here, or everyone really could make some money off of the internet.
There was the idea I think from the 70s, so not really that new, of having a system of microtransactions - you "charge" your browser with money and for each article you read a very small amount will be substracted. Similarly people could pay you for your helpful blog posts or social media posts, youtube videos directly. I know patreon exists now, but it would be better if there was a protocol for this directly in the internet itself.
This would be much better in all aspects, the advertising business just leads clickbait content.

I wonder what anons ITT would say if their bosses said they're no longer paying them for their work, to not pay them isn't exactly stealing money from their bank account after all, they never really wanted to pay for your efforts anyway so you're not missing out on anything.

holy fucking shit user

damn that chick doesn't have ass

If someone wants me to pay, make it an option and give me enough content to make me feel that it's worth paying the person. I pay content producers more per month than I pay for Netflix, and neither should have ads.

I'd find someone willing to pay for my work, not sue my boss for the earnings I would've received had he not decided to stop paying me.

Is epic that mad that their exclusive game got cracked that they are shilling anti piracy?

This is why we need DRM.

you should read Capital if you want to overwhelm your retardness

>blocking ads is the practical equivalent of stealing
Too bad. Suck my dick, Ming. We're regressing either way, forcing unwanted advertisement won't change anything.

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This thread just proves that nobody on Jow Forums makes anything, whether games, art, movies or music. They just consume things and want to keep consuming things, and then rationalize their stealing by pithy quotes like "information wants to be free", or whatever stupid nonsense.

It actually is.

Somebody had to design the car, and they own the design (or rather the car company they sold it to) so that's what you are stealing, if nothing else.

>autismal basedbro Jow Forumsentoomen constantly circlejerking and praising open source
>hurr hurr just cumzoomers that dont make shid har har

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pretending to be retarded doesn't make it any less true

First of all, I don't care about open source software, or technology for that matter. Computers and software are tools, like a hammer, for accomplishing certain goals, they don't have value in and of itself, only people do.

I do make things. I make it available for free because I want as many people to enjoy my works as possible.

ads gave me a permanent injury
fuck you and fuck your ads

Sometimes i tend to think that Jow Forums is the most blue-pilled board out here.

>commit tax fraud
>shitpost instead of work on the company dollar
>drop by store on the way home to shoplift some essentials
>get home kick back and pirate a few games

>and thats a good thing

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good try /v/ermin, I'v literally never paid for software or website access and I don't plan to.
I also block all ads on 3 different levels

>public information is property
Kys

Your point? Stealing software is moral.

I'm tired of discussing this so here's the short version
the whole thing about creating a copy instead of properly stealing doesn't matter because intellectual property is baseless and cannot be defended in an honest way

Anything can be property. In hunter gatherer societies land was not property because there was no point to it. You can argue that land cannot be property, it won't change the current situation, the same with intellectual property.

So you would have just worked for free? Okay m80.

People who came before us made it property and we can say it shouldn't be. Not that it cannot be, because it is since we made it so.
The occurence of phenomena such as piracy makes those constructs less legitimate and asks for the question to be debated again.
If you say intellectual property is legitimate because the current society requires it to keep operating in its own bubble, you create two worlds and delegitimize the entire system.

spbp

>it won't change the current situation
Not with that attitude. It needs to change. Especially for software. Copyleft is a way of fightning copyright, for example.

If I have a seedbox and download games/films through SFTP, will my ISP see what I'm DLing?

>It needs to change. Especially for software
why? It enabled people to make money off their work. That's the entire point. Look at the state of free software if you want to see what software development is like if you don't get rewarded for your efforts
Copyright isn't perfect, but it's better than any alternative

Something like that I guess.

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I'm not willing to pay for a download license so I pirate. Who in their right mind would pay for something with infinite supply?

>There will be no alternative business model, just a regression to a less feature rich web.

i fucking wish

>Copyright isn't perfect, but it's better than any alternative
That makes it a patchwork solution and just means it'll have to go eventually. It's like acting on symptoms instead of the cause.
It's only fine if you start arguing progress doesn't justify itself, really.

>Downloading copyrighted software or blocking ads is the practical equivalent of stealing
Based memester

everything is ultimately a 'patchwork solution'
property is a patchwork solution
money is a patchwork solution
what's your proposed alternative

Legalize piracy for consumers

Rethinking everything from the ground up so that the whole system doesn't have to fight against itself all the time.
I realize I sound like a commie now, so you can start hating.

How does that help? It's basically a grey area already. The problem would still exist and it wouldn't make anything better

There are various organizations that operate just fine on libre software. Canonical, Red Hat and Suse. There are various companies whose specific employees contribute to libre software, like Intel and IBM.

Proprietary software with its lack of "I can trust this" is digging its own grave. They're being propped up by governments, lobbying and people too stubborn to change.
>but it's better than any alternative
It's really not. It might be right for a guy who writes a book to be the exclusive seller of his own book for a reasonable amount of time, but that isn't what happens today; insane lenghts of time where art is protected as IP and they keep extending it. It is a poor solution, like the system it resides in - it's built around the assumption that because people can be shitty, we should enable shitty people to thrive, too.

I do use adblocker and refuse to pay for porn, video games, anime, or movies, because are all degenerate and unironically need to die.

>There are various organizations that operate just fine on libre software. Canonical, Red Hat and Suse
The same fallicious argument every time
It works for them, it doesn't work for 90% of the people who make their living off intellectual property they created

They won't. They'll see you're using SFTP, and the amount of data, but that's it.

I once used to pirate simply because it was convenient.
After seeing all the bullshit and degeneracy Hollywood is pushing, however, I pirate movies out of principle.
Sometimes I do it purely out of spite. I have TBs of movies I have yet to watch.

>They're degenerate and need to die
>Still going to consume it though
What's your point? Alcohol is literally poison but I still enjoy drinking it, am I morally justified to steal it when it is my choice to drink it?

Legalizing it would take it out of being a grey area which would make piracy safer for those too stupid to pirate now and would give people a legitimate alternative to paying for a download

And it would mean less people would pay for things hurting the people who make them
a zero sum situation

STOP BUMPING THIS GARBAGE THREAD YOU RETARDS

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That's only because money is necessary to those people.

no shit money is neccessary, it's neccessary to everyone to live
what's your argument exactly?

Well they live under the same capitalist system as the rest of it, so yes. Obviously.

I actually stopped watching animes and playing games long time ago, so I don't consume that kind of content anymore.

That OP's idea may be right, but could require many other changes all the way until creators don't need money to live.

>Money is more necessary for me, so they should work for free and let me keep my money for hot pockets.

Humankind is a long way off the point where they can live and thrive without money at a large scale

Just because you consider it a fallacy doesn't make it any less right. It doesn't "work" for others because they don't want change. They haven't even tried. There are people at this very moment maintaining 15 year old software abandoned by its creators because the company doesn't want to switch a modern, supported alternative. People just want to keep shoving DRM up everyone's ass, making money of the data they've mined and generally making flawed products so that they can make even more money "fixing" them. "It's comfy user."

It is objectively immoral to charge money for a download.
They could always use a different business model that doesn't involve using the government to extort regular people to give what are essentially donations to a company.

But still, when you did consume that media.. you consumed that media and therefore the producers should be compensated for their time and effort taken to produce the original 'Master' copy.

>Just because you consider it a fallacy doesn't make it any less right.
It's a fallacy because it only applies to a small minority you moron
That's like saying cancer kills people "well I didn't get cancer so you're wrong!"
If you make specialized software that corporations pay you to develop, you can get by
For most people making consumer software, not a chance
Freetards only seem to consider things like operating systems to be software and forget the vast majority of software being made is nothing of the sort

>It is objectively immoral to charge money for a download.
how?

I guarantee Jow Forums would be spitting fucking blood if society started funding artists with taxpayer money so they could produce freely without worrying about money.

>society started funding artists with taxpayer money so they could produce freely without worrying about money.
They already do to a limited extent with grants, the results are laughable

This shit happens all the time, garbage threads get bumped from page 9 with a post saying that the thread is retarded.
I genuinely think people don't know how to sage anymore.

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no
dont tell me what to do

Ads are a cancer that are only getting worse. I don't want to visit a site to have it force pop ups in my face or block content until I have watched enough of an ad.
Whenever restricted access to something due to an ad, I never visit the page again.

Metanet will fix this

"As an artist, you do not rake in a million marks without performing some sacrifice on the altar of Art," --Franz Liszt

"Those who compose because they want to please others, and have audiences in mind, are not real artists. They are not the kind of men who are driven to say something whether or not there exists one person who likes it, even if they themselves dislike it. They are not creators who must open the valves in order to relieve the interior pressure of a creation ready to be born. They are merely more or less skillful entertainers who would renounce composing if they could not find listeners."

-Schoenberg

Those threads make people think. It's always beneficial to have your paradigm challenged and Jow Forums doesn't have a lot of that.

Hi craig

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>Those threads make people think.
When all it is a basedjack with
>le ebin greentext
I don't know about you but if anything that makes me lose brain cells.

The fallacy fallacy exists. No one "needs" this in the sense that change can occur and we can move away, but we don't.

I didn't even mention operating systems. The only thing alluding to an OS would be the company names. GOG makes fine business from games stripped off DRM. They actually make piracy of their products very safe: You can verify the executable's signature, and the executable verifies the hashes of install archives. Yet they operate fine. On the other end of the spectrum, we have subscriptions and insane amounts of money being shoveled for Adobe shit and the like; often tax money. People could make libre and compete, but it's safer to just release a blob that only you can provide support and development for, so people resort to this degrading behavior because everyone else does, too. They don't want to prove that they're worth shit - they just need that one break in the market and they could be set for life. It's a race to the bottom with this and no one can even properly inspect and criticise it because it's all locked down.

And that's why it won't work, too many philistines who don't see the value in art.

>GOG makes fine business from games stripped off DRM
If 'piracy' was legal then those games would be easily available for free, and there would be no stigma against downloading them for free, thus GOG would no longer have a business

This, people appreciate the flexibility of not having DRM but there is still a sense of honour among most people that secures this as a business.

In my country, it is legal to pirate anything that only you yourself will consume. So I can pirate it legally and play it, but I can't for example, make an arcade with a pirated game. It is legal, but people still buy good stuff. I do, too. And my only two friends. My country's laws aren't unique, either - I can think of Spain that has this as well. Even in countries where isn't legal it's still easy and usually safe to do (unless you're in a hellhole like Germany), and yet GOG is fine.