How far behind would tech be if capitalism never existed?

Socialist? It's from Thatchers Britain. We're not socialist and that computer sold fucking shot ton and had about 50,000 commercial games released. Probably more then any other machine.

No. Just no. Capitalism only took off after the feudal age ended. Capitalism is also not to credit for technological and scientific advancements, it is merely responsible for vastly increasing efficiency in almost any area of production/work. Capitalism only boosted our advancements by enabling more people to live simultaneously and by faster utilizing new technologies (since capitalism makes it cheaper and more likely to adapt a technology if it can provide benefits).

>Britain. We're not socialist

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Socialism only works in a fully white society that has gotten rid of all of its jews, and has implemented eugenics to breed out all the genetically weak and stupid people. We almost got there once.

We're pretty capitalist here mate, always have been. Just having a working healthcare system doesn't make you a commie.

the zx80 was just shit
the zx spectrum on the other hand was pure kino while staying cheap

>implying socialism can work
HAHAHAHAHAHA

damn son you need some ointment for that BURN?

Err, no...no ointment required, thank you very much laddy.

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>The UK
>having a working system
You're fucking mental

Zx80 had its place, especially for early games and bedroom programming for us poverty stricken Brits.

>How far behind would tech be if capitalism never existed?
behind what? A lamp post?

Commoditization conditions define technics as a substitute for human activity accounted as wage costs. Industrial machines are deployed to dismantle the actuality of the proletariat, displacing it in the direction of cyborg hybridization, and realizing the plasticity of labour power. The corresponding extraction of tradable value from the body, quantified as productivity, sophisticates at the interface. Work tracks thermodynamic negentropism by dissociating exertion into increasingly intricate functional sequences; from pedals, levers, and vocal commands, through the synchronization of production-line tasks and time-motion programs, to sensory-motor transduction within increasingly complex and self-micromanaged artifical environments, capturing minutely adaptive behaviour for the commodity. Autocybernating market control guides the labour-process into immersion.

The investment-income class advantages itself of commodity dynamics, but only by conforming to the axiomatic of neutral profit maximization; facilitating the dehumanization of wealth and the side-lining of non-productive consumption. The cyberpunk circuitry of self-organizing planetary commoditronics escaped nominal bourgeois control in the late nineteenth century, provoking technocratic-corporatist (i.e. fascist / æsocial democratic') political cultures in allergic reaction. The government structures of both eastern and western metropolitan centres consolidated themselves as population policing Medico-Military Complexes with neomercantilist forgeign policy orientations. All such formations slid into irreversible crisis in the 1980s.

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Hmm, I think you might be of low intelligence if you believe all that. That's fine though, you didn't get to grow up learning to code on your badass zx81 like we did so it's no surprise you're a dummy. Enjoy all your trump stuff and school shootings and so on.

it was a calculator disguised as a laptop and you know it nigga. Show me ONE (1) program for the zx80 that remotely resembles a game and I'll concede but I sincerely doubt you can

Before Microsoft
>Variety of computer hardware architectures with their own strengths and weaknesses
>Everything ran BASIC, specific computers had specific variations
>Various graphical operation systems/desktop environments start popping up

After Microsoft
>x86 everything
>90% of the world's consumer computers run Windows
>Only viable alternative to Crigeows is MacOS and Linux
>Linux barely viable
Imagine a world without capitalism.

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Microsoft literally wrote the BASICs used by all those computers.

More like
>ZX80
cheap garbage made for yuropoors to say they have a "computer"
>C64
Proper home computer that would define a generation in computing for the masses

Enjoy getting ass raped by jamal while your government attempts to placate all of the pea brained cattle left on your island with propaganda.
You could be from a nation of geniuses but it doesn't matter because you're all cowards.
Not that we're much better off but my issue is that some of the retards over here believe bullshit like socialize healthcare working and vote based on that meanwhile Europe is failing economically under it's own weight.
Italy is now the 3rd largest economy in the EU. Fucking Italy the mexico of Europe. You brits left that fuck up and traded it for another. To the point that Argentina has a higher percentage white population than London.

I'm trying to figure out if jet set willy would have worked on a zx80. Kinda hard to tell now. If it did though that'd be one, that game was the nuts.

True, but they didn't create BASIC, so if they didn't bring it to home computers someone else would have.

So what you're saying is capitalism is a transitional system.

Social healthcare does work though. Sorry!

The computer shown in OP's pic is a VIC-20. It's miles shittier than a C64.

VIC-20 was still a very popular computer, even if it wasn't THE popular computer.

Both computers are the direct result of capitalism on it's best form.
The ZX80 pushes the boundaries of the word cheap to almost the point of breaking, while Commodore 64 was a massive pile of innovations (and some terrible buy outs) to fight on a booming massive competitive market.

Sure, if you blatantly disregard that everyone in Nordic countries (Bernie's favourite "socialism works" lie also disregarding none of Nordic countries are socialist, so lies on lies) gets private health care to bypass insane queues of public health care if wealthy enough.

This guy gets it.

>Go to the ER
>Broke your foot
>Have to wait
>Someone with 3rd degree burns all over comes in
>He gets to the ER right away
>"WOW WTF WHY DO I HAVE TO WAIT THIS IS COMMUNISM"

t. never actually had to suffer a public healthcare system.

Nothing stopping you getting private healthcare in the UK if you want to pay for it. NHS has always been fine to me though. I even had a couple of ops over the last few years and they were all pretty quick. My dad just had cataracts removed, had to wait about 2 months from referral to op. It generally works well. I know that doesn't fit with your crazy American narrative but whatever, it's your problem not mine.

I'm talking about three month queues to dentists and surgeries taking place 200km away at some central hospital with months in queue again.

So have you then? Cos I have. That's why I'm defending it. Same as the other guy. I suspect it's you that's sitting over there in the US imagining things happening in other countries you've never been to.

You have to wait months for surgeries in the US as well, unless you're wealthy. You're complaining about nothing.

You're just making things up. Last time I went to the dentist I got an appointment the same day at an NHS dentist. And there's 3 emergency dentists in my area that'll sort you out there and then any time of the night.

>Everything ran BASIC
Everything ran Microsoft BASIC

Microsoft didn't create BASIC, they wrote interpreters for it. Microsoft just did it first, unfortunately.

>Capitalism is also not to credit for technological and scientific advancements
>it is merely responsible for vastly increasing efficiency in almost any area of production/work.

Not everyone can foster such cognitive dissonance, I am impressed.

ZX Spectrum is superior over C64

Systemic failure of health care that directly led to private clinics is "nothing". Gotcha.

I've lucked out once by getting cancelled time too. Irrelevant in big picture.

Oh god, do you have any idea what your spouting? Are you able to make a point instead of frothing at the mouth?

t. capitalist brain dead stooge

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While with a private system, you have to wait an entire day to see a nurse to wait 3 months to see a generalist doctor to wait up to several years to see a specialist, excluding the time wasted on getting various exams, each of which can incur 1 to 4 months of wait time, all before you're allowed to get a surgery 4-8 months later, i.e. by the time it's far too late to do anything.
Surgery done by incompetent "20 years experience" doctors who don't even know how to do 3 suture points without permanently damaging nerves, or end-of-career doctors who have been known to have brain tumors for years but are still allowed to put arms back at 90 degree angles off of their correct position. Not to mention the ambulance, prescription drugs and exams are not covered. Neither is dentistry or eyecare.

I've never waited more than a week in any circumstance with a dentist. Also here in the UK about half of dentists are just straight up private exactly the same as you'd have in the US. The NHS ones still charge you though, but you can't be charged more than £200 regardless of the procedure you get done, even if it's over multiple days. Pretty good deal I reckon, and as I say, still never waited more than a week for an appointment at the NHS on I'm with.

What kinda FUD are you spreading?
Anyone in my family in the US that needed some type of surgery, the surgery was done within the week if not within a day or two of figuring out if it was needed and not any one of us had insurance

>America is the only country with healthcare where you don't die from the doctors
lmao

Yeah, I live in nordics. Recently in elderly care old people were dying of thirst and hunger in days old diapers. Is still a big case here.

Hmm, weeb reaction + meme response. We have our answer ladies and gents.

Nordics? Do you not know the name of the country you're in?

hey guess what you have to wait in america too.
and there's hospitals so full that they'll turn you away anyways

I never said that, but I will say that every single person who can afford it jumps the border to get care, not a single person tries the public healthcare for anything non-trivial ("I have a cold"), and for obvious reasons.

How about you address what I wrote you fucking socialist mongoloid. Does it seem like working success to you?

Well it's be easier to address it if I could look up some stats on whatever country you're in. Right now you might as well be telling me old people are getting abused in game of thrones land.

I don't get why outspoken Jow Forums politics types try to be so nationalistic yet worship capitalism. It's like replacing one degeneracy for another. It's much more harder to argue against a nazbol/actual natsoc type (and I find myself agreeing with some of their points) than some run of the mill conservative free market roach. Stuff like illegal immigration and very uneducated people is a wet dream for capitalism. Basically boomer trump supporter shit I guess

Anyways tech under communism probably wouldn't be that terrible for the real stereotypical Jow Forums type, since things wouldn't be so consumerist and the technology that some people miss here would probably be at its peak if we were only focused on utilitarian stuff. But """technology""" like your average "tech" youtuber who is just buying new phones and meme stuff would probably be completely dead and nonexistent. It would also depend on what kinda of leftist ideology we'd be under, I could see stuff being like basically north korean technology if it was authoritarian but more of the stallman type if stuff like ancom/libertarian socialism could actually thrive

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Dude, Linux is like the most successful implementation of socialism that there has been.

>Having the choice to use free healthcare or private healthcare is worse than being forced to use private healthcare
I don't understand

Lmfao that's not a C64 you dumbass

Finland. Look up Esperi Care case. Public sector gone to unsustainable shit turned to private contractors that couldn't maintain proper staffing with state funding either. Now they are debating should there be funding for whppping 0.7 nurses per unit. Welcome to planned economy. Exact same problems have been in Sweden with similar Bernie approved system so easier to drive point home rather than rely on anecdotal "single case" that can be dismissed as such. This is not new problem.

>Enjoy getting ass raped by jamal
It's always fun to hear that from an american, a literal 56% and decreasing country.

Sucks to be old in Finland I guess. Things are not so bad here. I mean it's not perfect, nowhere is 100% free of cunts but the NHS is something Brits have a lot of pride in because it works pretty well. My personal experience has been first rate and everyone generally relies on it regardless of the fact that we can go private any time we like, so that does attest to how well regarded the care is.
So, yeah, bad luck if it's all fucked up in Finland, but maybe don't throw out the baby with the bathwater as they say.

darpa made literally everything you use retards

DARPA made my dragon dildos? Thanks DARPA.

It's because of the infrastructure in place to actually support the system. For example, you don't usually ACTUALLY have the choice to either go public or private, because private is not allowed, by law, to charge individuals, for a variety of services (notably consultation), so you have to basically either be self-employed or use the public healthcare 90% of the way. Moreover, it's obviously harder to find jobs as a doctor if you're only looking at private clinics (protip: public system pays jack shit), so you pretty much have to immigrate to a country without public healthcare to have a decent career. There are other concerns such as government funding, private insurance regulation, and policy in the way.

You're acting like there's the US way of doing things and the "other" way of doing things. Not all countries ban private practice, and there are plenty that exist right now. People with money don't want to wait and are willing to pay a premium. Everyone else can wait, but at least get the healthcare they need.
Meanwhile I have to spend $300 of my own money to get a CAT scan even with insurance. I'd rather wait a few weeks.

Retard. You still have to pay for the cat scan and it's a bit more expensive even with public healthcare. Because that shit really doesn't cover fuckall despite appearances.
Also the problem that I was alluding to in the latter part was that every single competent doctor fucks off of free healthcare countries, leaving only the incompetents behind, because why stay in a country that pays you like shit and gives you few opportunities to hone your skills?
I didn't imply there are only the US way or the other way. I am however claiming that there are no currently working public healthcare system.
For the record, I believe the correct system is tiered: free prevention, otherwise the poor die, paid consultations, otherwise people flood the emergencies when they have the flu, but free care, otherwise people might as well die, if not outright die.

Everything was bound to consolidate whether Microshit was there to be the one to settle on or not, fragmentation is cool when all you're doing is jerking off to all the different pretty logos 20 years after the fact, it's less cool when you're actually there and have to actually pay money for it.

The 40 different BASIC dialects were total shit and BASIC itself was a terrible slow ass fucking language anyway, literally the JavaScript of the 1980s.

It's funny you say these things because basic was not the fragmentation part (you yourself mention everyone was using it), and that turned out to be shit.
There is literally nothing wrong with fragmentation because specialization is how you get stuff done in the real world. The problem is exactly with people like you, who misidentify fragmentation and therefore blame it for everything. You're the people who caused the horrifying mess we're in right now.
You could have had 3 dirt-cheap machines all interconnected to operate as if they were one, with each machine specializing in one class of programs you need. Instead you get a single machine that sucks at everything, costs an arm and a leg, and twice that every other year to keep up with standardized bloat.

COPE

Still whiter than bongistan.
You went from being the empire on which the sun never set to having to dodge the bus of peace in half a century.
But hey at least the socialized healthcare covers the broken bones and rectal tearing right?

>he thinks that's a communist computer
We would suck a thousand dicks for anything Sinclair, communist computers could barely do BASIC and came as an IKEA kit.

US - 76% white
UK - 87% white
Not that I care because I'm not a mouth breathing cretin but if these numbers matter to you it seems like you should take the 10 seconds to look it up.

Zx80 came as a kit originally too. Still you're right. There was a reason they were so popular in the east. Cost to performance was the best you could get.
Don't forget the Z80 was a pretty powerful chip back in the day and it ran at nearly twice the speed of a c64 so was better for certain calculation heavy jobs.

You should read up on history of computing. profiles.nlm.nih.gov/ps/access/BBALMO.pdf
>The general verdict - and this is from many different people - is that [Soviets]’re behind us in hardware - not hopelessly, but slightly. They are ahead of us in the theorization of automatization.
They even had 3 network projects axed (for political reasons) before the US even arsed with Arpanet.
It all went to hell with ES EVM when they chose to copy IBM System/360 (some key people were for it and GDR already dabbled in it) instead of continuing with original designs. And, worse, they didn't stick with a British company that reverse-engineered the platform and was willing to co-develop it. They chose to copy it on their own, thus cementing that their hardware would be about 5 years behind.

>using Spectrum clones well into the '90s
Those were home computers often sold as DIY kits by/for enthusiasts. Soviet Union really had it backwards with consumer goods in the 80s.
Regarding famiclones, USSR ceased to exist in '91. People who made big money on "Dendy" consoles in the "thriving" new capitalist country then tried to bring Nintendo In officially but the company regarded Russian market as "not ready" for a while.

Are you retarded? Europe left the middle ages because the Catholic church basically seized and centralized power from the "tribes" and smaller kingdoms and used artistic, philosophical, and scientific advancement as way of bringing the intellectuals in under the authority of the church in the same way governments have research agencies and shit. Almost all of the great achievements post middle ages up to the enlightenment were sponsored at least in part by the church-state. It was the furthest thing from capitalism

>It's funny you say these things because basic was not the fragmentation part (you yourself mention everyone was using it)
What you don't seem to understand is that BASIC was not the same BASIC on every system, everyone was running the same core language, but the heaps of proprietary shit on top were all different from company to company and even system to system, and any serious software written in one dialect was rarely compatible with another.
>There is literally nothing wrong with fragmentation because specialization is how you get stuff done in the real world.
Pointless differentiation is not specialization, and specialization in itself is not inherently a good thing especially in the context of general-purpose computing, most of the time it's just an obstacle that gets in the way and reduces the versatility of your system. Seven different BASIC keywords for the same function isn't offering any worthwhile advantage, twelve different implementations of the same basic MS-DOS operating system model with trivial quirks does not justify the headache of deciding which one of them is the least useless overall.
>You could have had 3 dirt-cheap machines all interconnected to operate as if they were one, with each machine specializing in one class of programs you need.
I tried to type out a serious reply, but this is just the dumbest fucking shit I've ever read. Please just stick to jerking off to pretty cases in retro threads, dude. I don't even think you've ever even touched any of these glorious "specialized" systems outside of fucking around in an emulator, you sure as fuck don't understand them to any meaningful degree to unironically believe this horse shit.

>using numbers that are 8 years old
8 years ago you'd have been right. But your politicians opened the flood gates
ukpopulation.org/london-population/
It doesn't really matter to me since my state segregated the blacks to their own neighborhood. The only issue my state has is the onions chugging leftist that want to copy European failures.
The irony is that we actually have a socialized healthcare system that predated the Obama care abortion that sucks so bad that it's the benchmark on why socialized healthcare is retarded.

Yeah, that sounds really progressive and altruistic. While then again, the last witches got burned only 200 years ago. And also, the reason for all the advances being made by oh so christian people, were simply founded in the fact that saying "nah, this Jesus isn`t my piece of cake" could easily earn you a warm place on a burning stake, so guess what: Everybody
was super christian. Yay, Catholics?
Feel free to dig in your reaction folder for the dankest of the dank fedora memes now, Christfag.

Trash animeposter

Why can't capitalism force ISPs to use IPv6. I am sick of this CG-NAT madness just because the fucking kikes won't adopt IPv6.
Hell, I could host a website on my parents computer in the 90s and right now it's not possible because of fucking Jewish ISPs

Yet another cringe thread, what a surprize from /g

this is an anime website

Not at all. Unironically.
Look at what PARC or Bell Labs did for technology, now imagine this but even bigger supported by governments.

Not a problem here.

>Sinclair
>communist

>Yeah, that sounds really progressive and altruistic.
he's not praising christianity but instead saying that the church-state of europe which pulled us out of the middle ages was decidedly not capitalist

Not him but i think capitalism has served its purpose and its time to move on from it
>socialism would be a step backwards

Lol butthurt

Microsoft grew literally thanks to IBM and its successful PC series

>56%
54% nowadays