Most frustrating Linux desktop issues nowadays arise from this pile of shit being on life support for last 30 years

Try proving yourself right before you ask someone else to prove you wrong. Your opinion isn't backed up by anything.

>X IS NETWORK TRANSPARENT
No it's not. It's network _capable_, which is a different thing.
The modern X buffer sharing features do not work over the network, and the X protocol is unbelievably chatty and filled with blocking round trips. The network is by far the worst case scenario for X, and runs like pure shit.

I am a Wayland compositor developer.
Please give me your justification for why you think Wayland is poorly designed.

use void with just the void wiki as your source, youll go far i bet you

>I am a Wayland compositor developer.
Fuck off tranny.

Do you happen to be that 'strayacunt living in Finland?

>X IS USED IN PRODUCTION, WAYLAND IS NOT
What do you think embedded Linux runs on when it needs more than one window?
On desktop it's a different story though.

You're referring to Daniel Stone. He lives in the UK, as far as I'm aware.

It runs on pure CoC, and the stench of putrid fake post op tranny vagina.

That's him yeah. In 2014(?) lecture about X and Wayland he explained that he has been living in Finland for a decade, where it was the first time he saw snow IRL.

I don't give a shit about Wayland's design. I give a shit about its implemntations being nowhere near feature parity with X and therefore still being unusable. Stop shilling your garbage until you reach that.

Feature parity with X isn't even a goal.
X has all sorts of retarded/unused shit build in, such as an ancient and laughably bad drawing API.

this

systd is shit as init
can't even reboot ffs

>Feature parity with X isn't even a goal.
The goal is getting as many trannies, faggots, and niggers working on Linux.
Prove me wrong.

@69978133
Nobody cares about your Jow Forums-tier bullshit. You don't even deserve a (You).

Wayland is better than X, however its implementations have still much to go. I don't really get the hate, you are not forced to use it, you can still use X.

>Jow Forumstier
Keep crying faggot. You can't kick me off the thread for calling you a faggot.
Also I invented @posting bitch, and you're only able to enjoy using it, because of me using a three clause bsd licence.

Imagine being this up your own ass

>@69978133
is this bait? or are we hitting levels of newfag that shouldn't even be possible?

Wayland still has a long way to be
>better
than x.

>imagine being a tranny, and forcing competent devs off of a project
This is nu-linux, and Linus bent over to let it happen.

>Doesn't know about @
How has your first month here been?

It already is miles better than X. Its rendering model allows compositors to make more efficient use of the hardware and is designed so that retarded shit like tearing and partial updates just can not happen.

user was trying to deny a (you), because that retarded post op nightmare thinks that
>(you)s
are upvotes.

Sorry I don't know about your forced reddit tier maymay

>It already is miles better than X
Hurr the working parts are better than x as a whole
Let's just ignore everything that isn't better than x at this moment.

Which (if any) competent devs have been forced off a project?

A few of them, and you know it.

Do you have anything concrete to say, or are you just going to keep touting the same useless shit?

So you have zero evidence to support your claim?

>Please give me your justification for why you think Wayland is poorly designed.
As I see it, and everyone who implements it, you end implementing a lot of features is now in the window manager as opposed to having a screen session everyone uses.
I really like how you can make universal tools like xrandr, xdo, xev, xmodmap and xinput where you don't need a specific window manager to make it work.

>zero evidence
I have a search engine, and you are shit at trying to lie. You're not fooling anyone user. Not here, and not on dating sites where you pretend to be a woman.

>being a faggot
Just stop posting you buttsexual homo.

I'm not lying about anything, I am asking you to provide evidence of your claim like any reasonable and intelligent human being would do. You on the other hand just dishonestly attempted to skew my words.

So what is going to be, are you going to provide evidence, or are you going to continue making baseless accusations? For someone so up their own ass I would expect you to already have evidence on hand, clearly I have misjudged your capabilities as an intellectual.

>provide all the little details that's been posted online, and on Jow Forums
Nah, just fuck off you disgusting tranny.
Oh, wait why don't you prove that nobody has been pushed out, demoted, or let go instead?

unused for your use case doesn't mean everyone's. This is the attitude that should destroy this and systemD. The developers aren't really developing something for the community. They are making a personal project and splerging it on everyone else with force.

>you end implementing a lot of features is now in the window manager as opposed to having a screen session everyone uses
That's kind of the point. Combining the display server and the compositor has a lot of advantages.
- Less variable delay and context switching, unlike all of the retarded back and forth between the X server and compositor
- Window manager is able to make better decisions on how to compose its windows and make use of features such as hardware overlays (increases battery life)
>tools like xrandr, xdo, xev, xmodmap and xinput
It's up to someone to create and push extension protocols making these kinds of things possible. As far as I can tell, most of the current other developers on compositors don't really seem to care that much or are busy doing something else.
Also, xev is straight up how you implement a keylogger, which everyone is immediately going to shoot down.

>obsessed with being up asses
Faggots, everyone.

>X IS NETWORK TRANSPARENT
False.

How it carrying about 40 years of legacy baggage a good thing? X is not suited for modern hardware and has UNFIXABLE issues.

You can get your shitty X client compatibility through Xwayland, but there has to be a point where you say enough is enough.

To be honest I've no gripe with X, it Just Werks (tm) for me though I don't care that much about Wayland, if they ever get it to the point that I can seamlessly switch to it without doing anything at all other than replacing X with Wayland and gain some performance benefits out of it, that's cool, otherwise, it's whatever, I'm not going to bother.

I'm not asking you to provide every detail, yet another dishonest attempt at skewing my words. I asked you to provide evidence of even one situation where a competent developer has been ousted due to your described reasons.
>Oh, wait why don't you prove that nobody has been pushed out, demoted, or let go instead?
I am not making a claim that this has not happened, you however are making a claim that it has, the onus is on you to provide evidence for your claim.

I don't disagree but wayland is not the solution.

This. X still works, and everyone is used to it. Wayland is new, and it still has a while to go.

You're pretending that nobody has ever been pushed out or demoted from their projects over the CoC. Instances are pretty much well known on Jow Forums, so you should provide evidence to back up YOUR alternate redditlike worldview.

And why is that? What technical argument can you provide?

Wayland is the mainstream solution being pushed though. Just deal with it like systemd.

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69978361when brainlet dick inverters try to be clever
Pls get this clown out of here.

I'm not pretending any sort of scenario exists, you are insisting I am making an argument that very clearly does not exist, very akin to a strawman. I have never claimed this has not happened, you have, if you cannot provide evidence of your claim you are either being intellectually dishonest or touting a bigoted and baseless opinion.

If these instances you are speaking of are so clearly well known on Jow Forums, you should easily be able to provide an example of at least one, which I can then fact check for accuracy.

Kek Based.
Gayland dev eternally btfoed

>If these instances you are speaking of are so clearly well known on Jow Forums, you should easily be able to provide an example of at least one,
Yea. I could, but why?

You don't want to seem like an intellectually honest person? Someone who knows what they're talking about and bases their opinions on fact rather than the sperg-like insecurity the board has come to be known for?

>Faggot results to name calling after chaffing his fake vagina
I'm not spoon-feeding you retard, and I'm not here to take orders from a tranny. If you want to deny something well known on Jow Forums then YOU go ahead, and hump your gay dick around the archives, and disprove all the past threads nigger.
You are the one with the minority point of view after all, so you do the work.

There was no name calling there, yet again skewing my words in a dishonest way, but you claim I am the liar; as hypocritical as you are dishonest I see.

Spoon feeding is completely different from supporting your argument and accusations. It seems all you can do is try to create strawman arguments in an attempt to hide the fact that you do not have any verifiable evidence to support your accusations.

That's not what spoonfeeding is.
I have been browsing the board for years and have not come across a thread where someone was legitimately kicked off a project because of "sjws". There was a lot of bitching about CoCd and people projecting their fears of what could happen, but nothing that I have seen which proves you are correct.

I've also been browsing the board for quite some time and hadn't seen anything similar. That's why I asked user to provide evidence, but they clearly have none.

Anons argument is supported by past threads made. Yours aren't.
It's funny that you're trying to make it anons responsibility to prove a well known point, but you're the odd one out.
Personally I would link threads, but I'm busy eating enchiladas with my retarded socialist leaning girlfriend (real female actual) at a shitty mixer. Actually I probably wouldn't bother even if I wasn't busy ignoring all these soibaboons.

You haven't been perusing the board for more than a month then dipshit.

So why are you even having the argument. If you've really been browsing the board for a long time you should already know 90% of the people posting here just blindly follow popular opinion.

Really? Because it seems other users disagree with you as well.
Again, I never made an argument, I only asked user to provide evidence for his. I am not supporting the other side, I just want evidence that the side user is arguing for is correct.
Partly out of hopeful curiosity, but mainly just to fuck with them. It's amusing how many self-admitted autists on here consider themselves intellectually superior to others but can't even handle a simple debate, and resort to dishonest methods to try and boost their self-confirmation bias.

The only thing I've seen is bitching about CoC and projected fears. Even looking through the archives for a couple of months doesn't lead me to ant verifiable results, only hearsay and opinion.

tard fight! tard fight!

>Really? Because it seems other users disagree with you as well
It seems like the other "users" have been disagreeing with you though, and I only have one user currently disagreeing with my first post in thread. This is you btw.
>I just want evidence that the side user is arguing for is correct.
Why would user post something that's been a recent "hot" topic? If you've been here for a nominal amount of time than you've seen the threads.
>but mainly just to fuck with them.
So in your delusion, you are fucking with them? Maybe you should reread past posts in this thread.

Yes, I have seen threads, threads with no verifiable evidence, just people much like yourself making baseless accusations with, similarly, no evidence to back them up. You on the other hand have clearly implied you have some sort of verifiable evidence, that you can without doubt support your argument, yet aren't willing to do so.

I wonder why? Ah, right, it's because you're lying.

>Seen threads
>Dismisses threads
Gee I wonder what unnaturally dyed color your hair is.

That's pretty sadistic, although I wouldn't consider this much of a debate.
>one person
No I also disagree with you. And don't kid yourself mate, you argued yourself into a corner against an argument that didn't even exist. All user asked from you is for you to provide evidence, and instead you stated user made an argument they didn't and then tried to manipulate their words so you could have something to fall back on, yet failed again and again. Anyone with a shred of intellect will look at your posts and think you are a complete dumbass.

Of course I dismissed the threads I've seen, they have no verifiable evidence in them. If these are the threads you're talking about, then you are clearly a bigot who is making these accusations based on other baseless accusations. Next level insecurity and stupidity.

>No I also disagree with you.
Obvious samefag.
There's been 22 posters whom.most of have gone, and left. You're still here arguing with every other user who makes a post. Sad.

>calls someone else out for name calling
>has been name calling themselves and then immediately resorts to name calling in the same reply
Top kek

Post threads fuccboi. You lying piece of shit, because the threads had evidence, and direct links to real people involved who were undeniably forced off of projects.

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>I am a Wayland compositor developer.
So it's the same fag that makes these threads regularly.
What a surprise.

Go add some more bloat into sway, so it at least starts to resemble a working X11 setup.

What, you want me to post every other thread with people bitching about CoC? I could be here all day. Instead, you are now making a claim that there are in fact threads out there with verifiable evidence of this shit happening, with direct links to real people no less rather than their online pseudonyms. The onus is still on ((you)) anons to provide evidence of your side.

I don't make these threads.
It already just werks for me.

>I don't make these threads
Sure, you're just in every fucking one of them.

>what you want me to post the threads that is of topic to argument, because I'm pretending that I know of them?
Just slit your tummy.

On a board as slow as Jow Forums, it's not hard to keep up with new threads being created.

This proves that you phone posted to back yourself up, you penis mutilating rentboi.

You're the one that refuses to provide evidence even when asked several times. Like I said, I am not making a claim that this does not happen, you are, you have the onus to provide evidence, not me.

>You're
Just, no. Not even close you dumb black goriller nigger.

Imagine being this retarded

Wayland runs on every android and qt framework smartphone. X would be too slow for those.
The only 'production' use X11 gets is running xterm so someone can use vim with a cursor, and running a web browser. Maybe emacs if the user remembers better times.

>everyone who disagrees with me is a samefag
lmao
hurrdurr you should provide topics related to the discussion even though I have said there are threads with evidence out there that support my side and could end the argument right now
You are clearly lying mate, it's fucking sad to see you squirm so hard.

I can see you are not willing to provide any evidence to support your baseless accusations, I will take this as a concession of your defeat. Have a good day.

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

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Android doesn't use Wayland. It has its own thing.
ChromeOS uses Wayland in the mix somewhere, and it's used in automotive screens and things like smart TVs and set top boxes.

Imagine trying to use something like that and it starts tearing like a motherfucker.

X is a non-issue. See wayland for no perceived improvement whatsoever.
The real problem is Linux, and it's garbage early 70s monolithic UNIX design, evolved in a spaghetti manner into a clusterfuck with massive latency spikes.
If there's hope anywhere, it'd be Genode w/seL4. Norman Feske is one of the few decent engineers left in this planet, unfortunately.

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Guise. In thread.
>My first post
>My second post
>Third post
You "guys" think that you're arguing with an user, but it seems like you're just latching on to every comment you don't like, and believing that it's a single person.
You new faggots are the absolute worst, and it's clear that you don't even know the threads that the past anons are referencing to, because they literally named names in them.

Yes, your writing mannerisms are just incredibly similar to each other and you spout ad hominem in almost exactly the same way. You're not fooling anyone.

>I have no idea what I'm talking about: the post

Linux is a kernel, made in the 90s. It.'s one of the most used kernels worldwide.