Want help? >State the budget & CURRENCY >Post a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photo editing, gaming) and graphics card pairing
CPUs based on current pricing: >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on some MSI mobos) >R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming >R5 2600/X - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs >i7-9700k - Good for gaming >R7 2700/X - Best high-end CPU on a non-HEDT platform >Threadripper/Used Xeon - HEDT
RAM: >Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended >CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000CL15 or 3400CL16 is ideal >All AMD chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
Graphics cards based on current pricing: >Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty 1080p >580 good for another 2 years longer if you're fine with turning down settings >1070/1660Ti/Vega56 for solid 60fps at ultra, on average more. good for another 3 years before you have to turn down settings. 1440p >Vega64/2060 the bare fucking minimum. Have to turn down settings/get used to sub-60 fps depending on the title. Last maybe another year or two before you have to really turn down fidelity. >2070/2080 for solid 60 fps and then some. will last you for another 3-4 years. maybe less for the 70. Radeon 7 is disqualified because of it's noise. It's just as bad as the 290x or 295x2. 2160p (4k) >RTX 2080 as entry level - will have to adjust some settings to get solid 60 or live with sub-par fps. >RTX 2080 Ti is better, but very expensive
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >A 256GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor >Bottleneck checkers are worthless >rentry.co/pcbg-more
what if I install win 7 on a new ssd with my older pc parts inside the case, and then install win 10 by downloading it from the microsoft online store, and then I put my new win 10 compatible pc parts inside the case? will the new pc parts read win 10 right away or will it consider it another pc? dumb question but I want to know, thanks.
Also something to wonder about, isn't it easier to downclock an i9 9900k to, say, 3.6 ghz? It would be much cooler and I don't think performance would suffer at all for gaming or any other kind of use.
everything that supported windows 7 supports windows 10. Why not just get windows 10 from the start and stop the running around?
Jack Thompson
Why would you want to downclock the 9900K? Just acquire a CPU that works better in those lower frequencies. With the price following of course.
Jayden Miller
>Also something to wonder about, isn't it easier to downclock an i9 9900k to, say, 3.6 ghz? that completely ignores the POINT of the 9900k in the first place. If you're gonna do that, you might as well just get a cheaper Ryzen 7 2700X, since it'll outerform a 9900k when they're both at the same clocks. The only reason the 9900k is the performance king currently is its high clockspeed, and consequential power consumption
Angel White
Will the 3700x likely be ok in a SFF case if cooled with a 240mm AIO?
Isaac Hill
why are you asking about an unreleased product?
Thomas Jones
will there be flying cars in 100 years?
Christian Hernandez
because my 4c-8t/16GB RAM feels a bit too tight and I want to dive in the "next-gen" of 8c-16t/32GB RAM
because I'm a gay person
so I think I'll wait for a cooler i9 gen, it will be a serious pain to wait until fall 2019 or even fall 2020, but I don't want to throw my money away right now, thanks for the solid advice, I feel so embarassed right now
We have flying cars now, but we call them aircraft.
Jack Torres
My RAM is completely fucking dead, only had one 8g stick. What should I replace it with? I have a GA-Z170X-UD3 Mobo. I just want 8 gigs don't really have money atm.
>so I think I'll wait for a cooler i9 gen, You'll be waiting a long fucking time then if you won't jump on the Ryzen train. THIS is what AMD is launching as mid-range in July. youtube.com/watch?v=CX-xPst-3FI
Parker Baker
save and get 2x8gb modules for 100$
Cooper Turner
240mm should adequate for an 8c26t. As long as the rad is intaking clean air, it doesn't really matter how small it is.
What case were you thinking? Ncase?
Justin Hughes
M2 worth it over regular SSD? Any brand apart from Samsung that is decent? Thank you
Jackson Ramirez
Aren't most ram under a lifetime warranty?
Jason Evans
>mid-range You are retarded if you think this will cost less than 400
Luke Collins
My temps in general are fine but my 1070 is 48c idle. Is it a bad idea to have the fans on a low speed, say 15% 24/7?
Chase Moore
It saves space and doesn't require cables. I have a 500gb nvme m2 for my Os and some software and a 2tb sata m2 for my bulk. Worth it to never have to use a sata cable.
Austin Peterson
Idle temp effectively don't matter, don't even worry about it.
Jaxon Wright
It'll be around $200 for that. AMD has already confirmed they're increasing core counts. 12 cores at the minimum on the new Ryzen 7's, and possibly 16 cores on the rumored Ryzen 9s.
John Sanchez
48c is fine. You can use msi afterburner to set a custom fan curve if you're not comfortable with those temps
I personally set my 1080ti to 40% fan speed (as it's inaudible) at idle from 30c to 60c. Idle temps dropped from 60c to 32c after I did this.
For WQHD 3440x1440@120hz gaming, target is 150+ FPS on all titles comfortably, with some OC if needed.
Theme is black/white, the only RGB parts will be set to white or turned off. I know I could get some not meme-RAM.. but it's just nice to know I have the possibility to add some colour in case I choose to put the case on display and not under the desk as it is right now.
Should I wait for price drops for some key components? Where can I improve? I'm in the EU as you can see.
I think 2 x 4g is better for me, is there a place I can check which I can buy?
Ian Nelson
970 evo is outdated. Get the 970 evo plus if you can find it at the same price
Austin Price
The chiplet design is how they're able to do it. The io and all that is on the larger 14nm die. The smaller die contains 8 cores. They've proven with threadripper and epyc they can get multiple dies to work together. Basically the chiplet design allows they to make many physically small, high production yield, dies and make them work together.
To put in perspective how successful this is, a first gen Threadripper 1950X 16 core HEDT chip, which retailed for $1000, only cost AMD about $120 to make despite the fact Threadripper used 4 separate dies.
Same principle can be applied here, but it's even higher yield since the chips are even smaller, and therefore more profitable. The design is fucking ingenious.
pic related is what a threadripper chip looks like under the IHS.
>which retailed for $1000, only cost AMD about $120 to make despite the fact Threadripper used 4 separate dies. Source? I'd like to read more about this.
William Sullivan
pcgamesn.com/amd/amd-ryzen-threadripper-specs >Bits and Chips also claimed to have sources informing them that the production cost for a Threadripper CPU is around the $110-120 mark. If that’s true, AMD stand to make a hefty profit on each processor, even once you deduct things like retailer’s margin, shipping and R&D costs.
Juan Ramirez
Has anyone has issues where their mobo just outright does not post? Fans running, lights seem frozen. I don’t think it’s the power supply since if that were the case nothing would turn on at all, right? Computer hard shut off, black screen, frozen sound. Restarted only for it to not start again. No USB power at all. GPU fan running. HDD activity light short only brief. Tried disconnecting everything and general checking.
Caleb Flores
Yeah I set it up to run at 15% because 20% was audible. I'll probably just turn it off then.
Brandon Morris
Then we pretty much know latency will be attrocious so it's gonna be shit
Adrian Collins
Slightly higher idle temps are actually better for longevity than lower once. Since there's less thermal expansion when you use the GPU and it gets hot anyways.
Alexander Morris
I don't have prices in my head but that's what I would base my purchase on. The performance difference is neglible.
Carter Allen
When this was happening to me, it turned out 2 of my RAM slots on my motherboard were faulty. Not having RAM occupying those slots stopped the issue.
Carter Gonzalez
>production cost for a Threadripper CPU is around the $110-120 mark does that include all the low quality and defective silicone?
Jose Anderson
It'll be a non-issue when microsoft fixes their scheduler. You could also disable 1 chiplet and retain all 8 cores in the other one if you really needed to.
Daniel Martin
It's practically the same under most workloads but saves you the trouble of cable management.
Parker Garcia
I see. Interesting.
Thomas White
What's up with that "dude there is no real 4k dude. It's only up scaling lmao what are you doing with such a big screen? There is no game with native 4k lmao just stay on 1080 man. Native 4k is just a meme" shit?
Dylan Russell
Must be a PS4 Pro owner
Christian Green
Hmm. Worth a try, I tried everything else including replacing ram but not change slots entirely... Thanks for the heads up! Can’t report back immediately though.
Cameron Barnes
He must be talking about consoles. Obviously 4k exists.
Luis Hernandez
Latency is why AMD went through developing a data bus they call the Infinity Fabric. The Infinity Fabric runs at the bus speed of the ram installed, and is why Ryzen is so touchy about fast clocked ram. youtube.com/watch?v=kqH3z2ygwxM
Owen Anderson
>Amazon offers 2-day ship >Your order has been rescheduled 4 days after the 2 day deadline I-its ok I've waited 10 years already to get back into PC gaming what's a few days right?
If cpu temp makes the pwn cpu fan go faster, what makes the case fans speed up? Is it based on mobo heat or something else?
Charles Taylor
Offers? Or did you pay for that shit. If the latter you can at least get your money back.
Christian Cox
depends on the q-fan settings on your motherboard. if you have it set to manual then it'll stay at a constant speed. if you have it set to the other modes then it'll adjust based on what the motherboard manual says it does.
Mason Nguyen
Mutha fucker, if you know what motherboard you have research your own memory specs dumb ass.
Gotcha. What rpm are your fans? My exhaust and both front intakes are at around 1000. Any faster than that and they whine.
Elijah Stewart
>Zen already suffer from massive inter CCX and l3 latencies first gen Ryzen did. second gen managed to make massive improvements to the latencies. It still remains to be seen what improvements they made to Zen 2 but considering it's already beating the 9900k, I'm not all that worried.
Logan Brown
570 or below.
Liam Garcia
RX 570 at the absolute most, and even then, it'll bottleneck it.
Brayden Rodriguez
I'm going to upgrade everything, so I want a GPU that'll do well enough so it can be the last thing I upgrade.
Cameron Powell
Question:
will the 12 core 3700x be THE cpu to see one through the next console generation?
OR
would a 6 core Intel be fine?
such a conundrum
if a 6 core is OK then spazzing out over 12 cores is a waste of time. I would imagine that the new consoles will be using Ryzen and that consoles will be the lead development platforms. If a PC user on Intel is getting framedrops or whatever, that isn't important in the big scheme of things.
It's your choice how overkill you want to go. If you're not going to swap the CPU for a couple years it wouldn't be smart to spend too much on the GPU now.
Eli Baker
for me the 2nd core runs the hottest and the 3rd core runs the coldest
Chase Torres
How to test max vcore overshoot when llc is enabled?
Isaac Hernandez
Are you retarded? An RX 570 is like 30% faster on average for the same price.
RX 570.
Jaxon Sullivan
When it comes to overclocking your cpu do you just change the core value and voltage, or do you need to learn how to use all of the other cpu settings?
I just overclocked my Ryzen 7 2700 to 3.8GHz and was wondering if 85° C is too hot?
Ethan Clark
Will a 1070 be enough to play current stuff at 144hz on 1080p? I'm trying to play Vermintide II in my gf's 8gb rx 580 but it doest get even close to that even when lowering settings.
The Trident Z. Is it the CL14 or CL15 version? My advice is get the CL14, I'm running it myself and it is worth it.
Lucas Collins
That doesnt asnwer my question tho.
Chase Gonzalez
Hey guys, question for you. Looking to buy a new 30+ inch monitor for PC gaming and I've been somewhat obsessed with getting a curved on. Was out to Microcenter and saw a couple that looked interesting. Unfortunately, reading their 1 star reviews on Amazon show a myriad of repeated light bleed and dead pixel issues. Anyone know what would be the most reliable options in the field?
My computer is about a year or so old with a 1080, so it should be able to handle whatever I throw at it (not that I play games that are that demanding).
Jason Harris
give it to me real is all the zen 2 hype just wishful thinking? or should i just get an 8700k now
Dominic Perez
There should be a CPU sized hole in motherboards, where you put a double chip, that is cooled from both sides. They should design a better interface than stupid fiddly pins on the front panel and fan headers also. The USB3 connector is a fucking joke. I think the original purpose was to put normies off building their own machines, but I think that policy is over, now they want everyone on the Internet. Pins! WTF?
Daniel Morris
Most of it probably is wishful thinking. Wait a few more months to see if Zen 2 brings anything to the table. If not then just buy the 8700k.
Brody Cruz
It should be good enough for 1080p144 in many games but high frame rate gaming also requires a beefy intel CPU, preferably overclocked.
Carson Ross
Nobody knows, and anybody who tells you otherwise is lying. Release is later this year. If you need a PC now, build now. Something better always around the corner.
Joseph Jenkins
Best to wait now until zen 2 reviews are up. You could probably get a 9700k at cheaper prices by then anyway.
James Wright
for a minor overclock you only need to bump up the core multiplier. for a mild overclock you may have to tweak voltages to be stable. for a heavy overclock then you have to dab into the specific motherboard settings like load line calibration, c states, and pll overvoltage.
Anthony Hughes
if it's not throttling it's considered to be safe.
Ryder Miller
Hey fags. I want to upgrade my XFX Force AMD Radeon HD 6450 (yeah 1gb) Would this be a good choice? amazon.com/dp/B071CD6K6Z/ref=psdc_284822_t2_B07MTNS89J My budget was 200$ I think I can shell out 19 bucks more. I might end up paying 300 buckeroos or more in total to ship it to me.
Ok thanks. My ryzen 2600 only goes to 3.9 with a mild overclock. Is it even possible for it to go higher with a heavy overclock? Is it even worth learning how to do it?
This is what I'm mostly going with for my new build. I can't find any Tomahawks that aren't on backorder. What are good alternatives for a motherboard?
LLC, C States, and pll overvoltage are for when you're pushing for every last tiny MHz possible. If you were trying to push for say, 4 to 4.1GHz up from your 3.9GHz, you'd only have to worry about voltage and LLC (if your motherboard has this). Overall for Ryzen ,don't exceed 1.4v for 24/7 use and set your LLC to tight/higher number. The tighter your LLC, the closer to the set voltage your motherboard will remain. I.e. it will avoid voltage droop and voltage boost, both of which are bad.
I usually do quick and dirty overclocking. Set voltage as high as I'm willing to go with harsh LLC to keep it there and just keep ramping up the clock + stress testing until I get a BSOD. Then slowly step the clock back until I get it stable.
Jack Mitchell
I have a 4670k at 4GHz that I wont like to upgrade soon
Luis Foster
Get rid of thats dinosaur 1080 and grab a rx card instead
