Hiring Nightmares

This, this kind of degradation was reserved for retail and other minimum wage people, what the fuck

>>They email me back multiple times completely confused at the fact that I don't have a degree.

if it's a consulting job they need you to have a degree so they can sell you better.

The hr employee might have a useless degree and worship credentialism

>if it's a consulting job they need you to have a degree so they can sell you better.

It's not just consulting. I used to work in pharma/biotech, doing laboratory bench-monkey stuff.

They would seek our degrees so that bench-monkeys like myself could have the impressive-sounding title of "Scientist", for when clients and inspectors were poking around the facility.

people that got scammed out of their tuition and are drowning in student loan debt often get really mad at people succeeding without degrees.

See if you can contact the hiring manager to put an end to the degree bullshit. They'll overrule HR if they really want you as a hire

What the fuck is that thing?

It gets better anons. The office I'd be working in is a 30 minute drive from my house, but they just emailed me to ask if I could fly out from the 25th-29th. The start date on the offer is the 18th. Figure that one out.
On some level, I'm 100% with you guys. Unfortunately, hiring experiences with HR is often not very representative of what actually working there will be like. This is a $4+ billion a year revenue company, and so I expected a longer hiring process, but not quite like this.

The guy who would be my direct supervisor was really chill, it's a nice office, it's a half hour shorter commute, and it's about $10k higher salary with a $10 larger annual performance bonus to boot. Just a little too much to ignore because they have a shit staffing department.

I'm continuing with the process because fuck it, why not, we'll see what happens. I don't really give a shit either way at this point.
Nah it's for an in-house devops position.

Time to pass a drug screening for THC is well over two months my dude, even more if you are fat.

This is a tranny and there is porn of it

I'm a junior fullstack web dev and I don't have a degree either OP. Never stopped me from getting a job but I did have a hard time getting my foot in the door being self-taught and not coming out of a bootcamp.

what skills do you have, or at least the most employable ones?

depends on what type of test. for a piss test it doesnt take that long but 72 hours is really cutting it close, not sure if it is possible

o

How did you even do it user? I'm having a hard enough time getting in the door with a SE bachelors..

sounds like company B is involved with the government

SE bachelors and you cant get employed? what school did you go to? gpa? do you have any of your school projects on github? are you a goblin person?

ok i'll be the one to ask

got any links?

I applied to over 50 places and only heard back from 2 of them. My advice is to apply to small start ups (1-5 employees) and medium size companies (10-50 employees). This way you're more than likely to get your cover letter and resume looked at by the CEO or maybe another engineer and not some fucking HR office manager who's only looking for buzzwords.Also apply to places that aren't even hiring you never know.

I really think it's important to have that stamp of "approval" on your resume or Linkedin by another company. My first internship was with a shitty start up that ended up closing after my internship ended and shortly after they hired me but the fact that I ateast had work experience on my resume allowed me to secure an internship with a much better company which ended up being the company that hired me for $50k salary and I believe a lot of it had to do with the fact that I 1) already had work experience, 2) this company was a medium sized company that was in a growth period and was looking to expand their engineering team to take on the extra work they were getting so timing played a role too.

Once you get that first job and can put it on your resume then applying to places becomes easier, you also have more confidence too cause you know you've gotten hired before, you can do it again. Also- make sure your cover letters are meaningful.. if you're a developer then maybe point out that you like their tech stack and wanna learn it or point out some of the projects that company has done that you really like. These things stand out ,especially if another engineer or CEO is looking at your cover letter.

Go to pornhub and search for “Woman With Half a Body Attempts Coitus”

I'm in a different field and also got a job once that didn't care about no degree. It was a shit company and I quit after three months. Hopefully your job is not shitty like my last one. Still unemployed, but its better than the alternative I had at the time.

>with a $10 larger annual performance bonus
Damn, ten whole dollars?

>Attemps

Attached: 1551199358634.png (998x628, 507K)

Oh that made my night.

It's the picture I used for OP's to get people to stop and read my post.

Meant $10k, big enough difference.

>spend three years of college trying to get a internship
>have a sub 3.0 but above 2.9 gpa from sophomore year on
>rejection after rejection
>people at job fairs/family connections keep telling me they will get back to me
>not a single fucking phone interview or follow up
>feel like giving up hope

Until fucking finally
>apply for a major railroad internship
>only company to get back to me asking to do a pre recored video interview
>pass it and do a live video interview
>pass that and they offer me a job a few days later
>technically its not a engineering position rather its more of a supervisor trainee for maintaining/repairing/installing electrical equipment
>have to work outside 9 hours day in hot summer in the south

Its not what i was expecting, but it pays well, is a great opportunity, and i honestly think it plays to my strengths more than a traditional engineering job. I feel a bit distraught that i may not really ever be a true engineer, but i feel like this could really be the area i excel in.

do companies even give that much of a shit about weed now that its legal in some states.

I really don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, they bother to do a drug test at all and THC is on every test.

At this point I'm seriously considering just telling Company B to bite me like some anons suggested. The recruiter will be disappointed at losing out on his fat placement commission, and I'll be making less money, but they didn't give me any of this bullshit.

Company A is a startup that's doing extremely well and rapidly growing, so I'd be able to push for a raise and promotion more quickly and I'd get seniority faster too. It's a long ass commute and I'd have a pajeet boss, but they also have really good Glassdoor reviews.

What did you major in? Sorry to hear things didn't go the way you thought. I think you can still get a true engineering degree if you keep applying and build up your resume.

electrical with speailziation in power

Im hoping this job just lets me get the internship experience needed to get away from my gpa. This semester is going pretty good, but i dont know if i will be breaking the 3.0 grade this semester.

How do I become a devops engineer?

Wait company A has a longer commute? Even if that is the case, I still think you are making the right decision going with company A. Company B sounds like it lets its HR department have too much control of the company's operations which in my experience is a bad sign. Just my two cents.

I think you should keep applying to traditional engineering positions. I was in a very similar position. I studies electrical engineering for my bachelors and had a sub 3.0 GPA until my senior year. I still got an internship with an electrical utility my sophomore year and the same company offered me a full time position before I graduated. I would also really encourage you to try and bust ass to get your GPA about 3.0 before you graduate if you can. Good luck user!

Attached: javascript_holy_spirit.jpg (659x317, 41K)

i have a lot of applications with other companies probably 40+

Like i said the one major thing i like about the job is that it does play to my stronger strengths rather than my weaker engineering skills. Ill keep applying but im pretty committed and looking forward to this opportunity. i think that its for a major rail company, rather than some small engineering firm is what really excites me about the job.

Do you think having this and having experience like this would be good enough to get an entry level electrical gig? How critical is it to have a internship that is almost dead similar to the job your applying for.

Yeah. Company A is a rapidly growing startup that is based in Silicon Valley but just opened a second office in my city. It's a 30 minute longer commute and pays less. Being a startup, it's going to have that less regimented and more flexible environment. It'll probably also be a little demanding, but I'll also be working on building new infrastructure and establishing new policies and procedures as they're getting a fuckload of new enterprise customers. They doubled staff last year, planning to do it again this year. Boss is a pajeet but company has great reviews and I know one guy that works there. He says it's chaotic but still a great place to work.

Company B technically WAS a startup until they got bought out by a big multi-billion corporation 6 years ago. Now it's just a department in the larger machine. Very "corporate office" feel, but with lots of nice amenities and all the competitive benefits you'd expect from a big company. The boss I'd have at Company B seems like a chill guy, just a big friendly older black man that kept things really light hearted in the interview and it seems like he shut HR down on the education thing. Team was a group of chill older sysadmins. I'd be writing a lot of documentation and doing gruntwork on the infrastructure already established by the senior team, helping support some mysterious massive enterprise client under an NDA.

I currently work for a failing startup, so both offers are better than what I have now.

All the same shit you need to be a sysadmin or network engineer.
>Networks
>Access control
>Unix
>Bash
>Etc.

But also

>AWS
>Terraform
>Other CI/CD automation shit

nice blog faggit

degrees are basically used as a social glass gatekeeping mechanism and as a means of forcing their sunk cost error onto others by requiring the candidate to have sunk cost to the same degree despite such a sunk cost not mattering at all for the actual job.

Until hr stays filled with bottom feeders hiring will continue to be a shit show.

>why would you let a company invade your privacy like that
Because the choices for a lot of people are do it or lose your home, healthcare, and starve to death.

tl;dr: Automate sysadmin/netadmin/build deployment.

I think the more closely an internship is related to your field the better but a tangentially related internship will still definitely be a good thing. I think once you have your internship on your resume you will have a much easier time getting your first gig / entry level electrical engineering gig. I think you may also want to look into cleaning up / improving your resume. Your school's career center should be able to help you with that. I think not having prior experience and possible a resume that may need improvements are the bigger reasons for not hearing back from companies rather than your GPA.

I hope this helps and again good luck user! Remember the first job is the hardest to land so don't give up! I'm sure years from now you will be past this challenge and be in a better place a stronger person; that is how it was for me.

Attached: rookie_numbers.png (500x359, 98K)

Someone post that chart with the two colored circles one inside the other ranging from start up> mission creep> budget cuts
company A sounds like it is at stage 2 to 4 where actual work makes up equal to or more than office/busywork
company B sounds like it is at stage 5-6 where office/busywork is more numerous than actual work that will produce value and given it took 5 emails to clarify "no degree, k thanks" its sounding more like stage 6 which is terminal for a business

Whoops, was meant for:

I think Company A sounds like a much better opportunity based on what you mentioned. I'm working at company that is somewhat similar to what you described in company A and is growing rapidly. It is my favorite job so far and much better than all the large companies I have worked for so far. Plus, based on what mentioned, I think Company B is too far gone, especially after the interaction you mentioned having with HR.

if you care that much about them knowing what coke you snort you don't have to take their money. it's a two way street. I would never drug test my employees because I think it's mostly irrelevant and spooks people but it's definitely not immoral to ask for a test.

This is one reason why no one likes HR departments.

So based on this thread I don't even need a degree to try applying, just show that I can do all those

dug up the chart
my bad I mean company A fits in stages 2 to 3 and company B fits in stages 5 to 6

Attached: lifecycle-bureaucracy.png (545x650, 55K)

Let me guess, company B is a defense contractor of some sort? Just pick the part of the industry you want to work in OP, a lot of these places pay more for the inconvenience of you continuing to live a restricted life.

Attached: l0yicksxc0k21.jpg (742x738, 38K)

How is working for a defense contractor? I imagine they're the quintessential bloated corporation. Thing is, they've been the ones that seem interested in me.

Like anything, it depends on the company, and in large companies it depends on the org/team. Big contractors also sub-contract out to smaller ones, so you could be delivering a portion of a project to a megacorp like Lockeed/Booz. There are greenfield projects and maintenance mode in all industries.

Read up on the things Raytheon, MITRE, Palantir, etc do (that they willingly talk about, or leak and become public) and get small idea of what is possible in these spaces. And all of the big contractor. Accounting for every hour and charging your time is the worst part, but it has the potential to be really amazing, in ways you won't be able to tell your friends about.

On the flip side, you could get unlucky and be caught in bureaucracy, in a project that isn't that innovative, and afraid of you implementing anything new or improving.

Thanks for weighing in everyone. I was a little cool on Company A originally because of my experience at my current job. It's a startup that was every shitty meme about startups and then some. They literally crowdfunded a blockchain product, blew all the money, all the senior staff bailed, and then pivoted to corporate accounting software as a product.

It was my first time working for a startup and while it did get me locked into my current line of work career wise, it was an absolute clusterfuck of almost unbelievable proportions, and made me shy about working for another similar company.

You've all given me a lot to think about. I've got ~48 hours to decide if I want to even bother going in for the piss test. Either way, I've got a new job lined up, so all is well.

OP here. I have way less experience than I should for the jobs I'm being offered, but I got lucky honestly. I have 11 years of job experience, but it's split across an unusual mix of fields. I had to do some real artistry to make it look coherent and pull my 2-3 years of professional IT/Sysadmin experience together.

There's a couple of things on my resume that really get peoples attention, it's the right field at the right time (AWS & Docker is employment gold right now), and I got won the genetic lottery for having a trustworthy face and decent charisma/social intelligence. I have a few good references too.

I started at my current company in an unrelated position with the intention of growing into a more tech oriented role, then pushed HARD to pivot into devops when things got weird. I learned most of my devops specific skills over a 6 month period while everything was falling apart around me, changed my linkedin to say I'd been doing devops the entire year, and took it from there.

Thanks for the advice user. I've got an onsite interview with Raytheon next week. I'm worried about both the interview and the job if they give me an offer. I've never earned a paycheck in my life so I'm nervous about the whole thing.
They're giving me a tour of the place, do you think I'll be able to catch the vibe of how it is to work there or will they try to sugarcoat the bureaucracy and other stuff?

Hard to say, but if you are worried about something ask about it in the interview. It's as much for you to test the company as it is for the company to test you.

Ask them what their average day is, and if you can tell the person is technical, ask them what new things they've been learning, or what new innovations they've made in their stack or something along those lines. Those answers might help you feel out what your life will be like there.

A lot of the people you will be talking to might not know any better, some of them have been in govt work the vast majority of their careers. Contractors, as a sweeping generalization, are typically better about this stuff than straight govies.

Attached: oncl2diqfak21.jpg (720x473, 36K)

Weird. My post disappeared, but tl;dr you don't need a degree.

Focus on developing the skills. Practice setting up some automated builds and deployments into a free-tier AWS account. Take an Udemy AWS Solutions Architect course. If you can demonstrate the skills listed in that other post, you'll have a good shot.

Shit user, I didn't even consider just directly asking them. Your perspective is a big help for me.
If you don't mind if I pick your brain a bit, what's one big thing that would boost the appeal of some babby college graduate?

>well over two months my dude, even more if you are fat.

Attached: 4026.jpg (253x231, 26K)

Just "pretend" you have a degree to satiate them. Its not like they'll actually check for it.

Imagine being so low IQ you weren't able to obtain a degree and invest in yourself.
>m-muh debt
Imagine being so low IQ you can't obtain a scholarship.
>m-muh time
Imagine being so low IQ you can't work and study at the same time.
It's honestly hilarious that you no hopers think you deserve the same level of investment as somebody that actually invested in their future.

Attached: tfw to intelligent too exist.png (1420x1635, 73K)

Sorry for the late response.

Showing "passion" and knowing fundamentals. Companies like Raytheon will have a lot of proprietary widgets that you can't learn on the outside, so just prove that you have the groundwork to learn quickly.

Attached: dife7lucuwj21.jpg (1080x1080, 53K)

Nice to hear. I hope you end up somewhere you enjoy working.

>based troll living in moms basement

Uni is a scam

t. drop kick

fuck
thanks for the nightmares

>salty brainlet coping with wasting his best years at university

yeah but the question was more like
>why would you quietly accept living in a society where that is the reality in the first place

DAILY REMINDER THAT ALL HR SCUM NEED TO DIE. KILL THEM ALL OP, IT'S THE ONLY WAY.

>he thinks university isn't one of the best experiences imaginable for anybody who isn't a complete sperg.
I'll be starting my PhD (funded by employer) dealing with the statistical modeling of natural resources in a couple of months. I look forward to fucking more young adult females.
What do you have to look forward to? Obtaining another certificate from vocational school with other drop outs perhaps? Or maybe even completing another pajeet tier online bootcamp.

Attached: 1164165193100.jpg (200x200, 8K)

THC stays in your blood up to 10 days.

No it’s not lmao. For a 24/7 smoker it might be but for most people you can clean that shit out in less than a month.

t. passed a drug test 2 weeks after semi consistent smoking

>females
yikes

>mommy and daddy cleaned my clothes and gave me food until 25 and I've never had to worry about being homeless nor feeling guilty of draining them of resources
The post. You arrogant piece of shit. Thank you for showing IQ alone doesn't make you a decent human being.

Well, now it's my turn to apologise for the late response.
"Passion" and some fundamentals seems to match what they asked me in the phone interview, I'll continue to focus on that stuff.
Thanks again for the advise, user. I'm a lot less nervous about the interview now.

Current Situation

>Went from being a COO of a very heavily funded outfit to working as a QA for a national chain of junk yards.
>Had issues with the CTO at my prior jobs, the dude was insecure, and just an overall bad person, at the time had I known he was afraid of how much institutional knowledge I had and his unethical behaviors and was plotting to get me to slip or or quit for over a year I would have stayed put. TL:DR Rage Quit (Calmly)
>Get out in to the world 7-8ish years behind on tech oh fuck
>stumble around on various contracts from month to month doing implementation work and getting dated companies up to some what standards.
>Finally give up "le freelance life" because its just not stable for me.
>Interview for a QA lead position at this position presented to me as cutting edge and "revolutionizing car recylcing"
>think to myself "hey I like cars, I like tech, why not, its a major step down in title and pay grade but oh well maybe it'll be comfy."
>start off with a team, no type of training, confluence empty random bits of information here and there.
>teams get reorganized within weeks because every deployment we have fails or has one or two rollbacks
>btw way everything is on dedicated hardware no cloud instances of the application, cant flip traffic, have to physically wait till 8-9pm for the retail stores to close to deploy code.
>releases instead of being short and sweet, take about 2-3 hours everyone joins a conference line and there is a "release page" i am not just talking about updates but there are literal fucking check boxes next to peoples names and the tasks and steps they are assigned to do
>realize that none of the directors are worth of salt, they are all bootlickers to the CTO who larps around as this entrepreneur start up memer, but in reality his grandfather just left him a couple of junk-yards

PT.1

PT.2
>all of the directors have a dashboard open to look like they are busy and cant be bothered, dashboard is just the health check of the hardware we have running product, in reality most of them are browsing youtube, amazon, and your typical shit
>The director of operations, "works" from home monday and friday, and barely shows up to the office during the days in between
>my director used to be a manager at a petsmart, somehow he got picked up from the good ole' boys club
>Engineering team is a fucking joking, its a washed up navy vet who doesn't want to do anything, an old hippy who just chills, and im not shitting you this guy whos a legitmate flat earther, they don't want to adapt to any new technologies and have convinced the the CTO guy that cloud migration is BAD...we've got 7 people in engineering they barely know what they are doing
>one day I get my computer locked out because something happened to the active directory
>none of them can figure it out and spend 30+ minutes bickering among each other about who set up my laptop basically playing hot potato.

PT.3
>get sick of it and show them how to reset a password without wiping the computer
>the guy asks if he can keep the usb stick I installed the password resetter on, I said "sure"
>they have no actual accounts with any vendors and buy random laptops and desktops from best buy a la the "director of operations" for their employees stores and developers.
>nobody want's to do anything, HR is a joke, they couldn't even get my gender right, spelled my name incorrectly on my insurance card, and took weeks to resolve it.
>we used to have catered lunch 3 days a week, that got cut due to "budget" it was lunch for 18 or so people in a high-traffic area.
>they split up the teams so the only other QA is on a different team so I am juggling 30+ tickets at a time, and my boss being the bootlicker that he is promised the CTO a release every week instead of biweekly.

PT.4 Finale
>im to a point where I want to quit but the habit of getting up and going in keeps me going, but my work ethic and attitude has suffered immensly, furthermore I know im not a diserable candidate anywhere else, as most companies are looking for zoomer/recent grads that can do a lot more than I can.
>have a nest egg saved up, and eventually will quit because I am so tired of the dysfunction in the company and will try to teach myself something new.
>all of this could have been avoided if I stayed at my previous job. but now I have to deal with people who want no accountability they want to rest and vest, and gate keep knowledge.
>the other day I asked my boss if the company could pay for a few udemy courses ($12 each or so) or send me to a conference relating QA (I had the courses but I was wanting to see how much they were willing to invest in me as a employee)
>He couldn't justify costs like that to the CTO
>The CTO is completely out of touch with the company, he's currently at mardi gras with his brother definitely cheating on his wife.
>All the directors are just chilling and impress him when he's around and go into idle drooling retard mode when he isn't around.

Honestly I've never worked at a more shit tech department at a company.

i think its a burger thing, never heard of it in europe

>hire tranny
>get sued

Attached: xir.jpg (680x969, 144K)

yeah ive never heard of that happening in the uk

the only thing some employs want is a clearance certificate from the police, like a criminal background check

because knowing that you're not engaging in activities that ruin your health for someone that's supposed to insure it is of vital importance.

Furthermore, if your job has physical requirements (programmer = good eyesight, construction worker = no walking disabilities, etc.) - your employer must ensure that you as employee still fit in those.

I live in Canada, but I had a client request for me to take a drug test (among other things like background check for security clearance) to work on their site. When I took it and it came back positive for marijuana, the customer tried to say I was banned for life from working at their various locations and then tried to recommend that my company take disciplinary action against me. My company has a pretty slack drug policy (even if we get caught for hard drugs we just get a month off with pay to take an AFM course, but I've never had to deal with that because I just smoke weed). When I got called in for a meeting between my division manager, one of their managers for something or another and an HR person from my company, I just kindly reminded them that disciplinary action for smoking weed on my own time is unconstitutional now and what they were trying to do was against the law because there was absolutely no reason to believe I was intoxicated while at work (I legitimately wasn't, I only ever smoke after work or on weekends if I do). My boss was trying not to laugh, and the other company's rep looked like his brain was short circuiting trying to figure out how banning someone for smoking weed on their own time is now against the law. He just kept saying "well its our company policy to.." and "hffdfpfmfff well there's certain things.." and trailing off mid sentence looking like he was lost

I was told to leave the meeting after like 30 seconds of sitting down and then the next day handed my rfid card to get into that client's building and told to be on site that morning.

I've never had hiring nightmares because I'm an actual engineer.

weed is legal they can't fire you for it anymore
It don't even smoke weed, everything is a bad vibe

Attached: 1545518122123.jpg (499x499, 35K)

Good luck user. First job will be scary for many reasons, but just go with it. Even if you hate it, you'll learn something about yourself, and Raytheon is probably a good name to validate your resume for the next step in the worst case scenario.

Attached: fln8c3wts9k21.png (741x900, 764K)