HDD >>>>>>>>>> SSD

>10 years
Realistically, you need 2 years to maxed out that 100tb write.

What are you doing that causes 100TB writes in 2 years?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive#Hard_disk_drives
>SSD:
>If left without power, worn out SSDs typically start to lose data after about one to two years in storage, depending on temperature. New drives are supposed to retain data for about ten years.[5] MLC and TLC based devices tend to lose data earlier than SLC-based devices. SSDs are not suited for archival use.
>HDD:
>If kept in a dry environment at low temperature, HDDs can retain their data for a very long period of time even without power.

Games, TV shows, Movies, Anime, Porn, etc.

SSDs depend on temperature and cell wear and are unreliable and unpredictable. A consumerist gimmick, even SSD-shill central admits it:

>anandtech.com/show/9248/the-truth-about-ssd-data-retention
>The conductivity of a semiconductor scales with temperature, which is bad news for NAND because when it's unpowered the electrons are not supposed to move as that would change the charge of the cell. In other words, as the temperature increases, the electrons escape the floating gate faster that ultimately changes the voltage state of the cell and renders data unreadable
>For active use the temperature has the opposite effect. Because higher temperature makes the silicon more conductive, the flow of current is higher during program/erase operation and causes less stress on the tunnel oxide, improving the endurance of the cell because endurance is practically limited by tunnel oxide's ability to hold the electrons inside the floating gate.

>playing games
>watching porn
>watching tv shows
>watching movies
>watching fucking anime
yikes

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Still better than sodomize childrens, padre.

>my 640gb hdd from 2008 still works flawlessly
So does my Intel X-25M 160gb SSD. From the same year.

>inb4 hurr durr boot times durrr
no sometimes i literally can't wait a couple moments for boot time. It's not me who's impatient, it's the fact that people are impatient and expect me to work faster and be more productive.

I have things to do, you know.

Sure is nice being a NEET when you don't need to offload stress.

bluepilled poster

...at 500kb writing speed im sure
Or you can just sleep/hibernate the PC when you not using it.

>Enjoy your 100tb write life
Actually, I'm enjoying 400tb write life. Though some have more (like the 970 Pro which has 1200).

I have SSD for system and HDD for data.
Now what you silly faggot? You jelly poorfag?

Had 4 server grade drives die in the last 2 years. 0 SSD deaths.

>...at 500kb writing speed im sure
Which goes to show how little you understand about SSDs.

8th year of my ssd going strong:)

Not everyone is bill gates
Enjoy your data loss
Talk then, linus.

How about programs? For example, a slow ass hard drive wont help you keep up when a professor in a college classroom is giving you a lecture. Or maybe you need to show a document to a colleague but your slow ass hard drive wont load it fast enough and you sit there awkwardly for a minute or more.

>Not everyone is bill gates
You don't have to be "bill gates" to avoid late 2000's write limits. Hell, the 970 pro that was mentioned costs around $350. Less than typical 12tb hdds cost.

put those on the companion hard drive

>Enjoy your data loss
What data loss? But if even my HDD will fail, it's possible to recover it. It's not possible when SSD fails in most cases. Whatever, I'm having backup of all my data done 2 times and I have over 50TiB of data, enjoy getting this on SSD.

>Talk then, linus.
Only a fool wastes time trying to educate trolls.

You dont need a $5000 laptop to do a college stuff, kid.
8tb HDD it is then
I (or every sane people) dont want to re buy and reinstall windows every 2 years.
So you're bullshit then

*re buy SSD

>8tb HDD it is then
Yeah, sure. Just change the facts when they prove inconvenient. The OP has a 12tb hdd is a fact. Your ignorance about 100tb write limit is a fact.

>So you're bullshit then
No. You're just an idiot thinking insignificant loss of space = significant loss of write speed.

Except 8TB hdd is $250. way more space than 970. Also lasts longer.

>8th hhd... lasts longer
Cite your source.

>write speed is better than the drive life
Hmmmm an idiot calling people idiot... ironic

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you can get 4TB drives for like 95 dollars new, and refurbed drives for like 55

>You dont need a $5000 laptop to do a college stuff, kid.
1. i never said you needed a $5000 laptop to do college stuff
2. you can just get a run of the mill $600 laptop with an ssd and even that boots programs faster than a laptop with just a hard drive

>write speed is better than the drive life
Yeah, except that was not at all like anything I actually wrote. That is dishonest and proves you have no intention of playing in the real world.

Or you can just find a better laptop with better processor, ram, and gpu without that useless SSD.
Not an argument

cope harder

SSD have a purpose and that is not long term storage it's fast storage
If you do not understand that you are low IQ and I don't even believe in IQ

>I (or every sane people) dont want to re buy and reinstall windows every 2 years.
why not? it's super fast to do on an ssd

>Not an argument
Neither is your straw man bullshit.

Then you are a retard.
Again, not an argument

i literally just explained why that ssd is useful.

Well i guess stubborn people stay stubborn

anyways imma go to bed. goodnight

Why are you owed "an argument" when you don't address the fact that my SSD has just as long a drive life AND faster in every way?

Except SSD doesnt have long life though
Read SSD is a waste of money

SSD for me. If I want storage, I would buy an external HDD case (Anything exists using Firewire 800?) and use SSDs for my system and games, programs or else

>Except SSD doesnt have long life though
Sticking your head in the sand is not an argument. Repeating the same debunked assertion is not an argument. Erecting a straw man instead of addressing an argument is not an argument.

Special snowflake much?

>Games
Have fun killing your SSD in a year
Stay butthurt while you being slapped with my facts, ssdfaganon.

How long with this old guy finally die?
Thinking about upgrading to a 4TB or a 6TB,
have higher capacity drives improved their reliability since 2013?

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>my facts
So YOUR facts are valid but other people's facts are not? Wow. You DO special snowflake much.

Yes.
Now enjoy seething like tumblr landwhale.

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You've proven that you cannot deal with reality. That you're a hypocrite. And it is *I* that am seething.

Sure. Whatever. At least someone with half a brain would have enough sense when to stop responding. On that note, I don't think I can help you reach any further down the bottom of the barrel so...

longest 2 years of my live

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If you don't do a shitton of writtes for some reason, your ssd will outlast the hdd. My 60GB kingston boot drive is still working, despite me having got it in 2012.

>so...
Enjoy being an idiot consumer who falls for marketing tactics.

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more like 10 pb, retard

>62 Replies
>23 Posters
>Falling for the bait of samefagger

Oh don't mind me. I'm just helping the shitposter get down to the bottom of the pile of shit in twenty posts or less.

My SSD is yet to fail me, not reinstalled Windows 7 for 4 years, till I bough it. So far so good. What's more I have system backup on image, recovering it on SSD takes probably less than 5min.

Hmm, I still have very old pendrive like 64MB & 128MB and data is still intact. Is it true? Looks like bullshit to me.

How about both? What, are you poor?

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>hurrdurr don't buy SSDs. They might fail after 6 years.
Kek, is this the new "the earth is flat" meme?
>Not using both SSD and HDD according to their intended purpose
>Not having a double backup
Are people actually this retarded on a tech board?

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>buys a QVO piece of shit with 1000 erase cycles
>has the audacity to call other people poor
lol

Why would I need SLC or MLC based drive for games and software? Are you retarded?

>96 reallocated sectors
>894 reported uncorrectable
Last time I saw numbers like that was just before my WD40EFRX kicked the bucket.

>have higher capacity drives improved their reliability since 2013?
Not really, if anything quality in general has gone down.

That's only 7% (SMART attribute values go down toward the threshold rather than up).

What, are you poor?

implying you can't have that, and a cheap $20 120gigs SSD boot drive like any sane person

>SSD denier for years
>suddenly one of my trusty WD drives kicked the bucket for no reason (other than being like 8 years old or so)
>check amazon
>oh, cheap kingston SSD drive, let's give it a try
>MIND BLOWN
>windows 10 boots instantly (it took like 1 minute on the hard drive)
NEVER COMING BACK
SSD + cloud + fiber is all I need now
>hurr durr muh vidya
I now install 3-4 games instead of having a humongous drive
with my current connection and the SSD it takes like 2 minutes to install

So buying a WD elements 6TB or an Seagate expansion, then gutting it is a bad choice?

My Samsung 830-drive is sitting nicely in its second system as my system/games drive. Has been since 2012 with literally NO problems. During the same time I've had 3 spinny bois die on me for no discernible reason

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Can you even do that with WD elements anymore? I heard they're straight to USB now. No idea about Seagate.

After just 5k hours. This drive is doomed

I mean the desktop one, the Seagates are fine, but apparently the WD have some 3.3v power problem fixed with tape.

LOL. If you're actually working in an enterprise, you should swap HDDs every 5 years or so.

An good SSD has ~100TB WRITES. The amount of reading from it is immaterial. A 1TB SSD can be written a hundred times over. I highly doubt all you do is delete and write to the SSD all day erryday.

>SSD boot + HDD data master race reporting in

is there any real evidence of data loss on newer SSDs if left unpowered for a year etc?
and by unpowered does that mean the sata power cable, data cable or both?

Nigger fuck you, your 11 year old hard drive and your Trips

Store MI (or if you are team blue, optain) is LITERALLY the best fucking thing since sliced bread
>Super storage AND super speed
>SSD to cache important files
>almost instant boot times
>games load fast as fuck
best of both worlds, prove me wrong

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pcworld.com/article/2925173/debunked-your-ssd-wont-lose-data-if-left-unplugged-after-all.html
It's mostly a meme.
Tl:dr: SSDs COULD lose data when they are eol and stored at abnormal temperatures. That doesn't apply to most people and is more relevant in data center uses.

I have the same SSD. Really good

>1 year at 30 degrees if well worn
So treat unpowered SSDs like medicine and keep it in a cooler box out of the sun
I'd still opt for a backup solution comprised of one set of SSD(s) and an equal in volume set of HDD(s) then just keep them both as a mirror of each other

No, I'm smart and place my money somewhere where it's needed more instead of wasting it on stupid shit.

i've had 4 SSD since 2012... Meanwhile my good old 2006 250gb HDD still works just fine.

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SSDs and HDDs aren't long term storage. They are both still temporary storage solutions. Tapes are for long term storage.

Where do you live that all of your drives are sub 40C? Australia ?

>*seeks for an extremely long time*
Nothing personnel kid

I sure do enjoy my 450 years of estimated lifespan.

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