Why not quit fumbling around with Linux distros and open source software, and just install Windows like everyone else?
>Frequent software updates
>All software just works, including video games and high end professional applications
>Tons of drivers and hardware support right out of the box
>Can be riced, so you don't even have to give up posting in desktop threads
>Image and Video thumbnails in File Explorer
>"Botnet" is a meme
>Any bloat can be uninstalled one way or another
thats too ez i prefer to struggle at everything i do. install gentoo!
>Frequent software updates
You mean those that are forced upon the users and slow your pc down or straight up breaking shit?
>All software just works, including video games and high end professional applications
"Just Works" Ever tried using older software that's supposed to work? Or .dll hell?
>Tons of drivers and hardware support right out of the box
Which are all shite and you immediately have to replace them with official ones.
>Any bloat can be uninstalled one way or another
>Can be riced, so you don't even have to give up posting in desktop threads
Trying to modfiy windows is so tedious, you might as well get into arch linux.
>Image and Video thumbnails in File Explorer
Never used that.
>"Botnet" is a meme
Even the fucking calculator sends diagnostic data.
based and fucking redpilled
Because I have massive autism, which makes me want to have complete control over the software on my computer.
It gives me a power trip that I can't get in real life.
>Frequent software updates
...that breaks stuff, resets your preferences to default settings, installs new Candy Crush and other crapware, new telemetry and other spyware features and can't be disabled without registry hacks and shits on any computer with limited internet bandwidth. Because you gotta update, goy! :^)
>All software just works, including video games and high end professional applications
So basically the latest Ubishit/EA trash on DRM platforms and of course Adobe malware. Cool, too bad anyone with a functional brain avoids these like plague.
>Tons of drivers and hardware support right out of the box
Yeah, like the third gen Intel iGPUs, still on OpenGL 1.4 meanwhile GNU/Linux is on 2.1 since years, and let's not forget that nouveau doesn't have ads in the installer and telemetry.
>Can be riced, so you don't even have to give up posting in desktop threads
Riced with what? Classic Shell? that breaks up after every update?
>Image and Video thumbnails in File Explorer
Stop using GNOME. PCmanFM had these features since a decade ago.
>"Botnet" is a meme
Look in the control panel to see a fraction of the data mining in effect on "your" PC.
>Any bloat can be uninstalled one way or another
Too bad the best way to uninstall the bloat is to uninstall the OS altogheter.
Anything else i didn't covered? Good. Install Gentoo
>You mean those that are forced upon the users and slow your pc down or straight up breaking shit?
Automatic updates are better because you don't need to put in extra effort to manually install them via the Terminal or whatever you do on Linux.
I've never heard of a Win10 update breaking functionality on someone's PC, but if that happens, I'd guess it's an issue with your drivers rather than Windows itself.
If your computer is slowed down by updates, you should probably upgrade your RAM or swap your HDD for an SSD.
>"Just Works" Ever tried using older software that's supposed to work, or .dll hell?
If legacy software doesn't work with your Win10, install an older Windows in a VM and run the software there. Not sure what you're talking about anyway since I've seen 16-bit software from Windows 3.11 running fine on Windows 10.
Not sure what "dll hell" is.
>Which are all shite and you immediately have to replace them with official ones.
They're not actually meant to be used as main drivers, they just help to make the OS usable while you install the official drivers.
>Trying to modify Windows is so tedious, you might as well get in to Arch Linux.
From what I've observed, pretty much everyone on this board is already into Arch Linux or something similar.
>Even the fucking calculator sends diagnostic data.
All that "diagnostic data" is is just information about your computer specs, as well as basic information about how you use certain apps.
Botnet is still a meme.
Why are you trying to convince me to switch to Windows when I just migrated to GNU/Linux a few weeks ago? I am not in a unique position, either. Many are now switching to GNU/Linux for actual freedom, privacy, and security. I really wish I hopped on board years ago.
>Botnet is still a meme
>t. Microsoft sales rep
They are not even attempting to hide it you fucking fuck. What meme are you talking about?
forbes.com
privacy.microsoft.com
>many
The meme where people get paranoid over tech companies recording a little bit of anonymous usage and specs data from people's Windows computers.
Unless you are a hunted fugitiveI don't get why you would actually care about a "botnet" scenario.
Windows peaked with xp sp2.
Problem with charts like this is that it takes into account every braindead tech-illterate normie, and in addition, don't forget that half the population is composed of women in which only a minority give two fucks about serious tech issues.
If you disregard the average retard, the stats start to look a lot better.
>The meme where people get paranoid over tech companies recording a little bit of anonymous usage and specs data from people's Windows computers.
But that's demonstrably not the case. I mean, continue not reading Microsoft's own privacy policy and then it's all a meme. Forget that the NSA ever existed and in that imaginary world you'd be right.
Nah I would say Windows 2000. Now that was an OS.
>If your computer is slowed down by updates, you should probably upgrade your RAM or swap your HDD for an SSD.
you should work for apple with that mentality
Pretty much what you are saying is that Linux is noteworthy only if you filter out the vast majority of people who own tech devices and focus in only on a very specific group of Jow Forums users.
There are nowhere near enough people working in the NSA to care about you and what you do on your computer specifically.
Asides from harvesting data from internet users I have never heard of a non-tinfoil-hat example of the NSA actually doing anything that can be considered morally or legally wrong to most people.
Also, I don't live in the US so I don't care about the NSA.
Absolutely based. Uninstall Gentoo
Look at any tech-savvy circle. It's not just Jow Forums users. Anyone who has a serious interest in computers is a potential Linux user. Does that not matter?
>All software just works, including video games and high end professional applications
Windows have the monopoly on MUH GAMES otherwise they would not be able to get away with what they do now because users would change to a less intrusive OS. If MS brought out Windows-Not-1984 it would be great, but this wont happen because reasons.
Anyone with a serious interest in computers should also realise that using Linux/Open Source software and being productive/having high-quality software that works are two different things.
Literally the only reason to use Windows is so that you can play artificial academy 2 with the decensor mod and the homosex enabled with the other mod that shows the male partners penis during homosex
If Windows didn't have a monopoly on gaming, people would still use it because it also has a monopoly on high-end software and is designed to "just work" in literally every scenario.
The monopoly is still my point, but XP just worked, taking into account memory limitations and Windows 7 just worked. MS now kills the support for them for what we have now which is the main gripe of Jow Forums.
It says a lot when 8.1 came on the scene which was hailed as a steaming pile that now is being used a preferred alternative to W10
Win10 works very well. for me.
it's a big OS
What... the only other monopoly it has outside of games is corporate excel machine.
No, Apple solder the ram to the main board. When updates slow it down you need to throw it in the trash and buy a whole new machine
>updates fucked your shit up?
>buy new shit!
Nah, still fits the bill
Sort of. At least with PC hardware you can upgrade components rather than the entire computer
You can't really reason with bored NEET snowflakes. Their motivation is rooted in deep emotional insecurity.
>I've never heard of a Win10 update breaking functionality on someone's PC, but if that happens, I'd guess it's an issue with your drivers rather than Windows itself.
Microsoft itself - the company paying you to shill this piece of shit OS - disagree with you.
What are you talking about? What insecurity? I just don't like Windows, you don't have to start making up fake diagnosis. If you do, provide evidence of your claim.
Preferred by a handful of incels on Jow Forums perhaps.
Because, in my experience, Linux Mint has:
>Frequent software updates
>All software just works, including video games and high end professional applications
>Tons of drivers and hardware support right out of the box
>Can be riced, so you don't even have to give up posting in desktop threads
>Any bloat can be uninstalled one way or another
>Has no advertisments that need uninstalled
>Isn't phoning home all the fucking time
>Is much less demanding on resources.
>Unless you are a hunted fugitiveI don't get why you would actually care about a "botnet" scenario.
Because we live in an era where people can be found guilty in the court of public opinion years after an action has been performed. Look at Eich for an example
Your extremely low self-esteem drives you to make illogical choices to stand out from the crowd. Your alienation from society turns to bitterness and you wear it like a badge- it's your identity.
All of these kids on Jow Forums that unironically use Linux for desktop purposes are just like the mallgoths of the 2000s who wore the "you laugh at me because I'm different..." sweaters.
It's hot outside, time to take the KoRn beanie off, losers.
I have an old laptop that has a 8th generation i7 and 8GB of ram and no SSd and windows 10 is crazy slow on it.
It takes like 3-4 minutes for windows 10 to boot while my linux boots under 30 seconds.
Also the windows 10 explorer and start menu is crazy slow to me. with secods of delay between me pressing the start button and writing to the start menu actually appearing and text being written into the search bar, or seconds between me opening up the file explorer to open a new window.
Using linux is just much more reponsive and fluid for my "old" computer. It's pretty crazy that a 4 year old laptop is already considered old and I have to upgrade it just to be able to run a fucking operating system like windows while all other distro's seem to work just fine.
Additionally, I just like trying out new things. I enjoyed learning linux when I was an intern, I enjoyed navigating using the terminal and learning things, such as piping utilities together instead of right clicking and running programs and stuff on windows.
I still use windows for video games (rarely though since school started) and I use it at class when I don't have time to look up the configuration steps for linuxand just have to follow along the teacher (who all use windows).
Just because someone uses linux doesn't mean he's an autist.
you mean like the microsoft surface pro which literally has to be torn apart?
>The meme where people get paranoid over tech companies recording a little bit of anonymous usage and specs data from people's Windows computers.
Unless you are a hunted fugitiveI don't get why you would actually care about a "botnet" scenario.
It's about corporations and governments concentrating too much power in their hands. It may not currently affect your daily life in any meaningful way, but it might at some point in the future and by then they will be too powerful to stop (if they aren't already).
So it's not a meme, you and your ilk are just shortsighted and/or in denial.
it's sad if you actually believe this
>It takes like 3-4 minutes for windows 10 to boot
>Just because someone uses linux doesn't mean he's an autist.
Spotted the autist
This argument is on par with "He who smelt it dealt it." Childish.
thanks for the intelligent reply bro, here's your (You)
That was epic, epic for the win! XD
I took the windows-pill and now I'm happier than ever. Thanks, Bill Gates!
I have a 15W TDP Celeron box with 8gb RAM and SSD and Windows 10 boots in seconds, and far faster than the 30 seconds it takes for your Linux distro to boot.
How about security? Mandatory access control, PIE, security advisories, disk encryption, sandboxing, buffer overflow detection, stack smashing protection?
You can't uninstall all the bloat without breaking something, Windows 10 is trash.
I just leave the bloat and ignore it since they don't affect my life.
I have an Ironlake i3 350m, 4GB of RAM, and whatever HDD came with my $80 laptop. Takes under a minute for Mint to boot, even with the boot encryption. W7 took over 7 minutes before I dropped it. Can't imagine what W10 would be like on such a potato of a laptop.
Chart with absolutely no statistical reference just "muh big bar dur" nice try tho
>use Windows
>end up with a usable desktop experience with access to effectively all popular software
>use Linux
>end up with a usable desktop experience with access to a lot of popular software, and effectively all modern software if you use a VM or dick around with WINE
This is really what it comes down to for most people. The Windows desktop experience is, in the grand scheme of things, not that much different from the (general) Linux desktop experience, and vice versa. The UI models are nearly identical. Linux may have less annoyances in some regards (like forced updates), sure, but it, nonetheless, still has its own set of annoyances, and you will ultimately not have access to as much popular software as that which is available on Windows. For most people, they are fine with what Windows has to offer, and value its ability to run software.
Quite frankly, using Linux only makes sense if you need to for work, you are ideologically opposed to Windows, you greatly value the terminal, and/or, and this is the crux of my point, you ditch desktop environments altogether and set up a customized WM environment instead. THIS is where Linux truly shines and differentiates itself from other systems. No other mainstream operating system gives you so much granular control over your computing environment and workflow as Linux does. It's truly incredible (and fun) just how much you can accomplish with it. That being said, the average person is probably not going to want to take the time to learn and set up such an environment.
What does Windows do better than any modern Linux distro?
I can run every program I want to with no problems and it installs in seconds with a single command and password. The only reason Windows continues to be as popular as it is is because of Microsoft's virtual monopoly on the personal computer market they've had since the 90s. People have to go out of their way to try other options and normies aren't willing to expend that effort. I shouldn't be pressed into using an operating system because everyone else uses it.
I tried to use Linux a couple time, but it is completely pointless. Windows does everything I need and a lot better than Linux.
>2010
You can't do X on linux
>2019
Y-you can do 6 X on windows too
Pathetic
People are juts getting older and growing out of Linux.
Was on Windows from 3.11 to 7. Then W10 launched, and I had an advertisement bugging me to upgrade built into the system. That's when I tried out Mint. Been happy on it ever since.
You may not realize this but your post says more about non windows users than it says about windows
>Your extremely low self-esteem drives you to make illogical choices to stand out from the crowd.
Again, post proof of your claims. You can keep making up complex insults, but when asked to back it up you have nothing.
I use Linux on the desktop because the kind of work I do is much much easier in Linux. But keep inventing convoluted mind-canon like you know me, I don't really care.
You know OP, one day I actually tried to do a day of work in Windows. I set up my environment and everything was working reasonably well.
I still ended up raging and rebooting into Linux because I couldn't use the multiple desktop correctly.
So to bite OP's poor quality bait it's because I'm simply too fucking dumb. I have no idea how people can do any reasonable work in Windows when life is so easy in a properly configured Linux environment.
>>Image and Video thumbnails in File Explorer
the salt on the wound
what is unknown
Since the last update I get a Bluetooth related BSOD when waking from suspend. One step forward, two steps back.
You know, I once tried to do a day of work in Linux. I set up my environment and everything was working reasonably well.
I still ended up raging and rebooting into Windows 10 because I couldn't figure out all of the strange UI differences and "open source" alternative software.
So pretty much, I like Windows 10 better than Linux simply because I'm too fucking dumb. I have no idea how people can do any work in Linux when life is so much easier in a standard Windows 10 environment.
why does the gnu operating system cause so much butthurt among windows users
you mean linux
it's shit
why is it living rent free in your head then
Rakesh is mad because people don't want use their garbage
>turn on windows 10 after 2 weeks of using Ubuntu
>10 minutes loading
>wtf lol
>oh, OneDrive update and Defender check
>turn them off
>2 mins to load the system now
>lol ok
>trying to do something
>took an eternity to load
>wtf lol x2
>open up the task manager
>disk and CPU 100%
>wtf lol x3
>weird system shit I've never asked for
>stopped it
>everything is fast again
>tfw you have to pay 200$ for a dick that'll be constantly choking your throat
unrelated to op's weak bit, but I've gotten a little netbook and since putting xubuntu on it over w10 it's been granted a new life
32GB of storage is no longer cramped.
4GB of RAM has breathing room.
The 6 watt CPU (with phenomenal battery life) doesn't have a heart attack when installing updates.
Doesn't waste my time updating on startup or shutdown.
It does everything I ask of it, and more considering it's an old Braswell, as I would have on Windows without the Windows drawbacks.
same thing
>and just install Windows like everyone else
Yes, I did install Windows 7 like everyone else, thank you.
buy an ssd
How this story really happened.
>press power button
>15 seconds later the system is up and running
>buy an ssd
>buy Windows 10
>buy OneDrive storage because for the price of 6tb of HDD storage you bought 512gb SSD
>buy Office
>buy dragon dildo
Okay man, what else should I do instead of using my pc?
Thank you for the clarification, Mr. Rajesh. We certainly have never used Windows, therefore there is no way for us to know.
>512gb SSD
why.
t. apple shill
Don't buy OneDrive because cloud storage is pointless, and don't buy Office either because it is also pointless.
You don't need to move everything from your 6tb HDD over to an SSD, just the OS so it loads a lot faster.
You don't even need to pay to use Windows anymore, nowadays you can just download it and asides from a "Activate Windows" watermark in the bottom-right of your screen and not being able to change your background or theme, you can still use Windows fully functionally.
I'm actually a Windows 10 shill and have never brought up Apple throughout this entire thread, get it right~
>old laptop
>8th gen i7
>Frequent software updates
I'd rather if it didn't. Linux has more frequent updates that can be installed with the computer on, thus not having to wait 30 minutes while you're hurrying to work.
>Tons of drivers and hardware support right out of the box
Linux definitely beats windows on this
>Can be riced, so you don't even have to give up posting in desktop threads
Still less than linux
>Image and Video thumbnails in File Explorer
Does linux seriously not have this? Turns out they're seriously that useless
>"Botnet" is a meme
You're the reason people dislike capitalism
>Any bloat can be uninstalled one way or another
So it would be reinstalled later, and you'd have to do that again.
I honestly think I could get past all of the shit windows 10 does if it didn't just randomly run my fans at mach 1 on the desktop with no programs open. And then you'd think it's just intelligently indexing by taking advantage of the down time? Nope. It does it while you're doing other shit and slows the computer to a crawl. To me that it is unusable.
seeing blue windows logo doesn't count as running system u dum dum
I also don't need to... Use Windows!
Why should I bother myself with hiding watermarks or buying an SSD just to prevent my system from freezing?
>Does linux seriously not have this? Turns out they're seriously that useless
I know the talking point, it's file picker thumbnails, that's what he meant. And everything but the ass backwards Gnome has it.
wtf stop being reasonable and pick one OS to hate
Because buying an SSD is inexpensive and it's very easy to set up one.
Also, do you really feel the need to pay just to hide the watermark? Why can't you just ignore it?
...
It literally takes my windows desktop 8 to 10 seconds to boot and then maybe another two to open Firefucks with 20 tabs
>with your drivers rather than Windows itself
Oh, so windows drivers aren't that good after all?
>extra effort to manually install them
You literally click on the bottom bar on the right, click install updates, and they get installed (I'm on mint, idk other systems)
>If your computer is slowed down by updates, you should probably upgrade your RAM or swap your HDD for an SSD.
Please tell me you're joking. On linux you don't need to spend more money to use what you use. Also, you don't need a SSD to have your computer launch in a few seconds on linux.
>install an older Windows in a VM
Extra work
>They're not actually meant to be used as main drivers,
Install linux mint, it will have the same result
>information about your computer specs, as well as basic information about how you use certain apps.
>Botnet is still a meme.
Please tell me you're joking
Lol
>anonymous
They can trace the people back. Even jewjewgo says that
installed linux yesterday
better experience using my computer than i ever have on windows
sorry william gates it's time to go into the trash
But i don't have abiword or gnumeric on windows and i need it for work!!!
Baste.
>Oh, so windows drivers aren't that good after all?
How about you go and actually read my original post, I never said they were good but rather stated that there were lots of them pre-included with Windows
>You literally click on the bottom bar on the right, click install updates, and they get installed
Good point, except
>I'm on mint though, idk about other systems
You just proved my point further for me whilst trying to disprove it. My point was that features such as updating on Linux are done differently for every distro which can easily be confusing and frustrating. Windows does not have this issue
>Please tell me you're joking. On Linux you don't need to spend more money to use what you use. Also, you don't need an SSD for your computer to launch in a few seconds on Linux
Windows isn't unusable without an SSD, I was just reccomending that as an inexpensive and easy solution to your issue.
Did you ever think that perhaps, the reason why Linux is more lightweight is because it has less features?
>Extra work
It's not reasonable to expect programs from decades past to automagically just werk fantastically on a current day operating system.
>Please tell me you're joking
Please tell me you're joking
>the reason why Linux is more lightweight is because it has less features?
hahaha
probably ATMs, car radios etc
based