ITT: only respectable jobs in IT

ITT: only respectable jobs in IT

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i'm going into cyber security myself

Are Data Scientists even engineers? In Canada they aren't engineers and are not legally able to call themselves engineers.

Code monkeys aren't engineers either. Doesn't stop them from calling themselves that.

Web designer duhh

Someone please give me the run down on getting a data science job.

I have a masters in maths/stats.

Where should I apply?
How competitive is it?
Starting salary expectations?
What are some data science projects to do to add to a portfolio?

In somewhat of a rush to get a job. Have a son on the way.

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You know the tradition, dubs name your son.

You need to learn coding to get data scientist job.

I am good with Matlab and pretty good with python and R

If someone gives me a quick rundown then they can choose the middle name (or first name if its not shit)

If you know R and Python it's enough. Just apply.

if dubs user names his son US Marine

To who? What kind of salary for a starting position? I don't wanna get jewed.

Data scientists are glorified excel monkeys
You can't prove me wrong

Professional cun dump

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We've has this discussion on Jow Forums a thousand times. SQL is the SINGLE BEST thing a person can learn. It balances decently high income and low stress, while not requiring the person to learn a new meme language every few years to stay relevant.

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Where my script kiddies at

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You should just aim to get your foot in the door and then after a year of putting up with shit, hunt for the comfy 6 figure job

Well, that's that I guess.

you never let me down Jow Forums

It's important to understand SQL, but specializing in it is folly. Every DBA is a Pajeet nowadays

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Currently trying to introduce devops at work, thus securing my king of devops status.

Learn python if you don't know it already and with your math background you'll probably be able to find a place if you spam enough on LinkedIn. If you have zero python /ml / modeling experience, pick a kaggle challenge and "solve it" and include it on your resume/mention it to recruiters.

Starting a Data Science masters after finishing undergrad as a software engineer. Also currently having a gap year working a comfy DB related job.

I consider myself a decent programmer but don’t have Python experience, and hardly any R experience. Also, I’m decent in math and stats but never did much of either seriously after HS.

What’s a decent way to prepare myself? Maybe something involving learning R/Python well and then applying something from math/stats for some task?

Also, are Data Scientists better paid than quality software engineers? (Aka not coders)

Thanks, I will do this.

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How much math are we talking?

Is a Math Ph.D overkill?

My friend got a first in physics from a Russell Group uni and now works as a data scientist in finance for the government in the UK. Knows Python, R and SQL at least afaik, also Matlab from his degree. Pay wise is v.comfy, currently earning just over 50k GBP 1.5yrs out of uni, is about to start a funded part time PhD, gets really good pension and benefits as well, and can work from home 1-2 days a week. Says the culture is much nicer than at banks/consultancy firms as well, much more 9-5 and not work till you drop.

SaaS Sales.

Not actually IT, but makes loads more money and your IT knowledge actually will help never mind your NPC sales manager.

A PhD in math is very much overkill for data science. A masters in statistics is top tier tho.

they dont need to be. Actually a person with a degree in finances or math could do the job better if they put enough time into coding.

>Every DBA is a Pajeet nowadays

Only on the coasts.

>the sexiest job of the 21th century
>21th

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>Data """""Scientist"""""
COol meme xD

>Also, are Data Scientists better paid than quality software engineers? (Aka not coders)

probably not, I do okay as a freelance software engineer (pic related)

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>quick rundown
See >middle name
Pickle Rick

I mean I'm a data scientist in Canada, and a licensed engineer as I did my undergraduate in software engineering.

I'm a sysadmin, and that doesn't stop my company from putting "engineer" in my job title.

If you did feelance you wouldn't have a W-2 you retard.

exposed

I too am curious about this. Also pick Dietrich, its a good white name.

Do a PhD in stats and you're in for the long haul

lol, no I have an s-corporation from which I draw a salary

Is this a meme, or are sites like wix useless irl?

So basically a consultant.

Ph.D will definitely grant you more importance against completion but not required.

Eh, I'm not really into dispensing advice.
I just write software.
Fixed bid as much as possible.

>What’s a decent way to prepare myself? Maybe something involving learning R/Python well and then applying something from math/stats for some task?
Pretty much that. If you've got common sense and know stats enough to know when to use particular types of stats, you're ahead of 90% of all "data scientists" (or Applied Statisticians, as I like to call 'em).

Are you also a landlord (line 17)

that's basically the line for all business income, including my s-corporation
landlords would put their income there too

What's the difference between your wages and your business income?

No one gives a fuck about "engineers" in computer science

90% of 'data science' aka applied statistics is extracting and cleaning up shitty data sets

Literally janitor-tier work

most business owners take part of their income as wages and part as the profits of the business
wages are subject to more taxes, so you want to keep it reasonable -- about what you would make if you were an employee doing the same job somewhere else

And what pray tell do you do?

Yeah as said do a year or two of entry level for whatever salary in the field you like. Finance data scientist jobs pay better.

thanks for explaining, I hope to make as much as you one day user

Any tier list on salary?

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NEET nobody wants me anyway because I'm not their perfect little bitch candidate.

It's not respectable at all.

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You forgot the social related stuff like "must not be an introvert"

>In Canada they aren't engineers

except they are. Canada should re-check the definition of engineer in the english language.

>In somewhat of a rush to get a job. Have a son on the way.
>jobless loser makes more terrible decisions

literally pottery

Infosec

God wants you.

Does he pay? Because I need the money.

>The woman saith to him: Sir, thou hast nothing wherein to draw, and the well is deep; from whence then hast thou living water? Art thou greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? Jesus answered, and said to her: Whosoever drinketh of this water, shall thirst again; but he that shall drink of the water that I will give him, shall not thirst for ever: But the water that I will give him, shall become in him a fountain of water, springing up into life everlasting.

So... in today words that's a maybe? I don't do that religion stuff

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Engineer is a protected title in Canada. It's illegal to call yourself an engineer without being licensed, which usually means graduating from an accredited Engineering program or demonstrating sufficient practical experience and writing some tests.

i did a bunch of undergrad data science classes and had an internship doing data science. i can say with certainty that it's going to be an add-on skill for domain experts in the near future, not a specialization in itself.

you don't need a deep understanding of math, stats, programming, or databases. you just need to learn API's. the API's will be even easier to use in the future. there will be a handful of data science experts with jobs improving the API's

What tools do you faggots use? Name your top three go tos for:

>Automation:
>Orchestration:
>CiCD:

Mine are:

>Ansible/Python
>Working on learning OpenShift/Spinnaker
>Jenkins

This. The know nothing glorified code monkeys will soon be back to burger flipper status where they belong. Many projects in all sectors are already failing due to their marketing/management sanctioned incompetence.

>i can say with certainty that it's going to be an add-on skill for domain experts in the near future, not a specialization in itself.

Let me see the data on that. Or at least your rationalization.

I can safely say that I have hit rock bottom, coming for advice to you pajeetophobes for career advice, yet, here I am.

I am a 38yo (yes, 38) actual Pajeet in India. I got my MS in the US, and got a job as a low-tier Business Intelligence code monkey in one of those (very small) bodyshops for many years. I was competent and did well, taking on roles with increasing responsibility. I returned to India in 2014 because of family issues and disillusionment with my career (at that time).

I realized almost immediately on returning that my life will be much, much worse here. I have been NEET since. The family issues aren't yet resolved, and I don't think they ever will be. I want to move on.

I want /out/, but the H1-B scene has changed significantly, and I don't think your government wants """highly skilled workers""" like me around anymore.

What's the best way to get my life back on track? Can you folks provide me with some actionable advice? Thank you for reading this.

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Yeah data mining is real respectable.

drown in the ganges

Growth Engineer

Why do you think that? If you have a MS in computer science there are plenty of companies that will be more than happy to hire you. You should just apply to Microsoft and see what happens, or find another company that will sponsor you. Just try to get a visa and see what happens, don't get quit or think it's not worth it before you tried first.

>Data Scientists

I met some "Data Scientists" they only copy-paste data of wikipedia tables in Excel (or SPSS) for made graphs. you dont need know "programming or soft skills" because Excel-Spss made all the hard work.

This sounds like some sort of grunt job for digital data brokers.
The kind of people that process all that stolen data.

They'd get more respect if they didn't look like millennials

MS minimum. PhD only if you want to work at like Google or something.
BS level ends up being Hadoop/ETL monkeys, not real data science.

Then they aren't data scientists.

>muh real data science

((( data science ))) is a spook