Want help? >State the budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing: >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on some MSI mobos) >R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming >R5 2600/X - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs >i7 8700/K or i7 9700K - Extreme setup with RTX 2080/Ti >R7 2700/X - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing
RAM: >Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended >CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000CL15 or 3200CL16 is ideal >AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipets support XMP
Graphics cards based on current pricing: >Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty 1080p >8GB RX 570, RX 580, and GTX 1060 6GB are standard choices >GTX 1660Ti or RTX 2060 for very high framerates if you have a CPU and monitor to match 1440p >RTX 2060 is standard >RTX 2080 for very high framerates if you have a CPU and monitor to match 2160p (4K) >RTX 2080 is standard >RTX 2080Ti is better for 4K but expensive
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >A 256GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor >Bottleneck checkers are worthless
I plan to build a NAS that's relatively low idle power but can act as a file server, vpn and run plex to transcode 1080p. I don't want to spend much money (around £200 ideally before storage). I want the smallest form factor possible with no trade off in performance. What are your thoughts?
Alexander Jenkins
nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/FCcdV6 I want to play shooters on high settings at 1080p 60fps plus other games. Is this build good enough?
Nathan Hall
>that beige uggo noctua >glass side panel m8
Jackson Howard
Unless you want it silent on purpose don't bother with the cooler. Take that money and get a 2600 instead. RX580 will easily do 1080p/60
Asher Mitchell
Athlon 200GE
Connor Sanders
New build, who dis?
9900k delidded, bare die cooled with a 120mm AIO.
5GHz all-core no AVX offset, rock stable at 1.215v. Temps hit mid 60s under full load, mid 80s under Smallest FFT Prime95 testing.
Cooler can handle 280w sustained without throttling thanks to the size of the case and massive fan forcing air through the entire thing.
Looks like I got a golden chip boys.
Pic related is my 9L case, I can't take photos as good as this.
Stock cooler on the 2200g can cool any temps the chip is capable of creating. Aftermatket cooler is completely unecessary and a waste of money. I have one clocked at 3.9 with a stock cooler, barely ever reaches 60c, let alone go over it.
But your build is fine. Maybe consider a ryzen 5 2600 as the 2200g wont last you long.
The 2200g is a good stop gap is youre waiting for ryzen 3rd gen
Eli Howard
>No AMD shill in the OP
Maybe this thread won't devolve into shit flinging?
Mason Bennett
what? No. Where the fuck did you come up with that? The point is the VRM can handle a Ryzen 8 core at full tilt without throttling. This isn't Intel. Ryzen is actually power-efficient.
Samuel Baker
Mortar is one of the more expensive boards for z390 too, iirc. Nbd tho
Brandon Nelson
Smaller than mini-itx compatible Ryzen 2400G and 2X16GB? To fit into an old 2001 Xbox shell Also need a small as fuck PSU for it
Camden Jenkins
Thanks. Is Athlon sensitive to ram speeds?
Kevin Harris
Yes, like any AMD CPU, especially with an integrated graphics
Hunter Jones
Corsair SF450 or SF600 for PSU, depending on wattage needs.
MSI B450I Gaming Plus, AC version would be best.
3200c16 2x8GB RAM kit. Corsair Vengance is good.
And a Crucial 1TB m.2 SSD because its cheap and saves even more space.
Mason Taylor
EVGA also make good small form factor PSUs
Wyatt Sullivan
yes, although it only officially supports 2666 mhz iirc. AMD APU's like the Athlon 200GE, Ryzen 3 2200G and Ryzen 5 2400G are both bandwidth starved and rely heavily on AMD's Infinity Fabric, which itself relies on the bus speed of installed ram. So AMD chips benefit MASSIVELY from fast ram in a way we have never seen on Intel chips.
Jayden Gray
Different user but is 3000mhz ram good for the 2200g?
Caleb Collins
Should I go with 2070 for 1440 or is 2060 enough? I’m drowning in memes, I just want the truth.
Eli Ortiz
Dunno, the shit flinging seems to come from those who think a game engine advances enough to utilise 8cores natively must be some kind of strange AMD specific technology
Caleb Kelly
So you built it?
Wyatt Walker
Yes.
Michael Morgan
>Not even one Intel low tier chip or the 9900K >No AMD shill Ok
Joshua Fisher
yes, just make sure the CAS latency is 15 or lower.
Luis Taylor
Depends on the FPS and graphics settings you want to run, but from what I've seen the performance advantage of the 2070 isn't enough over the 2060 to justify the price difference. Kinda like the old 1080 vs 1070ti, or Vega 64 vs 56.
Justin Ross
How are your temps? One 120mm fan AIO seems really unlikely, especially 5 Ghz. Do you use Der8auers delid die kit?
Ryder Peterson
Show me an Intel chip below $300 worth buying.
Nolan Rogers
>no i5 on OP almost great OP at last, but fucked up there.
Wyatt Williams
Thanks bro, as long I can find a PSU that can fit into a Xbox is all I need. I don't mind to remove the metal casing and protect it differently
Isaac Johnson
>not even one bad recommendation I fail to see the problem?
Kayden Hall
What can I stuff in my PCIe port for aesthetics that isn't a wifi card.
Joseph Bell
Intel 750 Series PCIE SSD Buy 2, RAID-0 and enjoy speed
Juan Perez
For aesthetics? I dunno. What do you have?
Nathaniel Perry
Everyone told me the same thing, that my temps should be impossible.
I'm using a Noctua NFF12 3000 iPPC fan, it runs at ~60% speed at 60C and 100% at 80C.
Yeah, using der8auers delid die kit and also his bare die frame. Here's a pic of the die before I put the cooler on.
I can do 5.3GHz stable at 1.36v, but voltage jumps up to 1.392v under AVX loads and it hits mid 80s which I do not trust at that close to 1.4v, so I'll prolly stick to 5GHz.
I just got lucky with being able to do 5GHz at 1.215v, which gives me a SHIT TON of thermal headroom.
That, and one of those direct die waterblocks. Seems easily acheiveable with good binning.
Tyler Russell
M.2 raid card. Then install 4 half TB M.2s for raid 0
Joseph Evans
u won the silicon lottery m8
Dylan Young
Expensive tho... But useful
Mein brudah! I have a Mac Pro 2,1 and wonder what to do with the 3 extra PCIE ports, 12 half TB raid-0 here I come
Joshua Roberts
From my googling the record for 5GHz stable is 1.18v, so I am pretty damn close to that. I think average is like 1.3v?, which still isn't bad but would be significantly toastier.
Feels nice to win something for once in my life.
Mason Brown
Envious. Good to see you make the most of it too. Maybe if you jump into a time machine and go back 12 months to when the 8400 was still a good buy. These days there's not really any place for any i5.
Justin Rodriguez
>120mm AIO >mid 60s doubt.jpg
Christopher Wood
>9400f >9600k >not a good buy they are both better than ryzen
Hudson Barnes
only if you're drinking kool-aid at Intel shareholder meetings.
Henry Reed
Lucky, me it is the reverse. If I dare to touch anything out of my Xeon programs like Firefox won't launch
Benjamin Sullivan
>Thinking about buying a new computer >Get curious and look up when I built this one >Ordered the parts in December of 2013
Is that good? Average? I feel like it's been through a lot with me. I replaced the graphics card in '15 and the PSU which had been from a previous build in '16.
Honestly it's been kind of a hunk of shit sometimes, mostly owing to my own incompetence putting it together. I was thinking I'd just pay the extra for the new one to be pre-built.
Not if you count the bang-per-buck Ryzen is a smarter choice
Easton Perez
I'll take a video for you senpai. This voltage is fucking magical.
Also note that mid 60s is during a gaming session in VR, with streaming and recording.
I get low 80s at max stress loads, AVX smallest FFT Prime95.
Lincoln Garcia
>9400f : $170 >2600 : $165 wew
Jaxson Morales
Now that you got your first fuckups out of the way, any future build is only going to be easier and better. Would be a waste to scare yourself away and revert to prebuilts at this point. It's like riding a bicycle without training wheels for the first time and then mounting them back on.
Jonathan Harris
>b-b-but mah average FPS! youtu.be/F92byoMgptU Not even tech Jesus recommends them as a gaming CPU
Levi Thompson
muh cherrypicking
Alexander Ramirez
2600 is $155, 2600X is $169. Nice try though.
Jackson Reed
Skip to the summary.
Evan Ross
I have a weird thing going on.
I test a fuckload of games that push my GPU hard (an RX570), I test furmark, and most of them reach the target temperature fine, setting the fans to a level that is not audible.
But then there's this fucker, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, and it decides that it's a perfectly good idea to try to keep the card as low temperature as possible while ramping up the fans to the point they're almost maxed out. So it's not reaching target temperature at all and instead it's doing that bullshit. It thinks target temperature is like 10-15c lower than normal. At 3100RPM not only it's unbearable, it almost sounds like the fucking thing is going to explode so I'm not fucking with it.
Anyways, any reasons why it would do this or fixes? Why would it happen with one specific game when way newer or more demanding titles are not doing this shit?
Brandon Young
I only picked the Mortar because it's the same mid range board for both. I have one. I think they're reasonably priced for what you get.
Asher Clark
That only really applies if I'd been riding regularly though. Not riding once and then having to keep fixing the bike because of the multitude of miniature ways in which I crashed.
Vega 56 at $260 w/ 3 games shitty blower model gogogo before it's gone.
Aiden Myers
youtu.be/ng8Wa_jwwx8 Show me where the i5 gets much worse 1%/0.1% wew 5 dollars cheaper! >2600x is $169 nice lie
Owen Lewis
uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/fBHVQZ already have 1tb ssd + 32gb usb to plonk in there >want to be as lean as possible in regards to money, efficient in terms of noise/heat dissipation and not too big, i'm willing to spend around £1000 if its comfy asf >immediate use: 2D visuals (mainly editing scanned in drawings), photography, music production & sound design (sample based, heavy use of plugins), shitposting >future use: 3D visuals, animation, GIS will eventually upgrade from 2400g to another AM4 and a GPU but no budget for those as of yet for context currently using a dell inspiron n5050 with xubuntu : _) thanks enjoy this sweet puffer, its on me
Just man up and buy the parts. Save some cash and get exactly what you want
Matthew Hall
a pointless aside: im 24 and only just (1 month) taught myself how to ride a bike, its liberating desu i used to dream of riding a bike quite frequently but was always so embaressed, now im over it and making myself ride every day and legit it feels the same as it did in those dreams
Cheap, V56 might actually be worth it at that price, even with a blower. An attempt must be made to undervolt or that's going to be a jet engine though
Possibly application profile in Radeon Settings
At this point, the R5 and i5 are about equal in new games, but the R5 has all the extra multithreaded perf combined with the fact that new consoles will have Ryzen. The only reason you'd get an i5 is if you wanted to have an upgrade path to the 9900K eventually, which is a pretty small number of people. Most people will be graphics card limited with either CPU
I've got a 1070 and I want to upgrade to a better GPU without spending too much money but getting a 2070 feels like a waste of 500€. Should I spend a bit more money and get an RTX 2080, or would it be better to wait for 7nm Vega? I somehow have a feeling that it won't be much cheaper than current-gen Turing GPUs. I'm trying to be optimistic but something e
The Acer XV272U for under $500, or LG - 34GK950F-B if you have money to burn. If you're on a tight budget, then what ever Pixio or Viotek meets your requirements
Camden Sanders
So I have a 2060, and I want to buy a ryzen 2600x. Should I buy a heatsink if I dont plan on overclocking?
Brandon Murphy
>Should I buy a heatsink if I dont plan on overclocking? nope, unless you have super sensitive ears the stock cooler is more than fine
Thomas Hughes
First of all, what screen are you running/aiming for? Secondly, IMO the value of the 2070 just isn't there. It's priced between a 2060 and a 2080, but with performance levels closer to a 2060 than a 2080 (from what I've seen). I wouldn't bother with Radeon 7 as they don't really offer anything over a 2080 for the money, unless they sharpen their pencil on prices. I'd probably just stick with the 1070 unless it's failing to meet a specific requirement.
Did you scrape the STIM off or use rockitcool's quicksilver+polish?
William Perez
>First of all, what screen are you running/aiming for? 1440p with Adaptive Sync. My 1070 is already struggling a bit with that. >unless it's failing to meet a specific requirement. It's really fine but I'd like to sell it now for around 300€ and get a 2080 rather that sell it half a year later for a much lower price when Vega 2 releases. Whaddya think?
Lucas Green
Rockitcool's. No fucking way I was gonna take a razor to it.
Ethan Anderson
Then you get hit by a car
Christopher Walker
>I'm trying to be optimistic but something e but something tells me that VEGA 2 won't be that great.
Ian Bailey
What liquid metal did you use?
Isaac Morgan
I get its fairly new, but what's the lowest price youv've seen the 2060 at?
Ethan Anderson
I swear by Conductonaut, I use it on every device I own.
Both my laptops, my desktop NUC, and the 9900k machine.
Nathaniel Parker
Why does op recommend Gigabyte Aorus when Giganiggers lie about their VRM capacity and PCIe speeds?
shit happens maybe you'll have an aneurysm so what
Levi Bell
>My 1070 is already struggling a bit with that Fair enough. >when Vega 2 releases Unless I'm missing something, that's Radeon 7, and it's already here. Also, it's simply not worthwhile against a 2080, especially now NVIDIA supports Freesync. If you have the money for a 2080, then selling your 1070 while it's worth something isn't a bad idea, and a much more worthwhile upgrade over a 1070 IMO.
Owen Parker
should I just get it now for my first pc build then?
It's hilarious how that video proves a number of games use over 6Gb, yet you keep claiming it doesn't by citing that video.
I can't tell if you're actually that retarded, or if you're actually trying to gaslight people.
A 14nm Athlon and there are mATX NAS cases which'll hold like 8-12 3.5" drives. The only problem is it's hard to find those cases for cheap... If you search NAS cases you get overpriced shit.
It's really the TIM that's the limitation on 2200G/2400G OCs.
No Intel chip is worth buying. There are multiple new security flaws every month. Serious ones every few months. The serious ones never affect AMD as it's more secure by design.
Recommending Intel CPUs is recommending someone build a new botnet.
Radeon VII is already out. The shitty fans make it a disappointment.
I'd imagine it's not 100% stable, it's just stable with what you've done with it. But that's fine really.
>posting averages to hide the fact that it gets maxed out with only a 1070 in some games 2600 is a far more consistent performer that doesn't let you down like poorfag intel 6threadlet CPUs.
Josiah Morris
>averages xD
Isaiah Lee
What's a good 1660 Ti to buy? I was just going to go with EVGA since their CS is pretty good.
Thomas Price
get a used 1070, or a new vega 56. better deals, similar performance.
Asher Gutierrez
Mind is set on the 1660 Ti for the improved NVENC encoder. The savings isn't enough for me to bother with used anyway.
