Should gigabit internet be a basic human right?

>do we need to introduce even more expensive entitlements?
No?

that's not even it, most of the heaviest shit I can do on a computer gets capped around 100mbit or so, when someone decides to do the 1 fucking thing that will use all the internet, there goes everyone else's fucking fun.

but once you start going over 100mbit, almost nothing will saturate it, besides steam. but steam doesn't like going over 400 mbit, 800 on some of the VERY rare games that don't compress much/well, I'm just using this as a worst case scenario as its the only internet thing that eats my current line.

and 3 computers serving several hundred people who want to use it at a time, and that's before you go into the bullshit content blocks.

you want to know my take on it, municipal internet should be a thing everywhere, in america where it was implemented, its within the top 5 fastest world wide, and it took a few million to implement. they recouped all the cost by selling it at 20$ a month, but then they got sued by the big isps, and courts ruled they had to sell it at isp prices because they cant compete.

internet isn't something new, its not something hard, but the infrastructure is tied up in legal tape, the poles are tied up in legal tape, and no one can do anything to make the situation better, and it doesn't take much money to make it VASTLY better.

What are you doing that warrants it? Honestly. Seems like it is wasted money unless you truly need those speeds.

Municipal doesn't work. All of the current municipal ISP's in the US are deep underwater and usually sold to private companies.

I think there are a few that project they wont make back their initial capital investment until sometime in the 2100's.

It's a joke.

>he doesn't max out his upload 24/7

No, no I don't. I have no need for that. I pay for what I need...

No I don't, and if your dumb ass wants to torrent shit you're paying for it out of your pocket nigger

Yes. The government should have no authority to prevent someone from purchasing gigabit Internet.

>not seeding propaganda to spread the good words
yikes

I thought capitalism was supposed to fix everything

I grew up in an age when local networks were 100 Mbit and you had to leave your computer on overnight to download a 700 MB movie or a couple of albums. My internet is 50 Mbit and I'm perfectly happy. Really large things like the odd 50 GB game I just download while I'm out of the house. What do you even do with a Gigabit, and can servers even provide such a download speed?

>implying gigabit for 90 dollars isn't the best value to ever exist
That's 9 cents per megabit.

>What do you even do with a Gigabit, and can servers even provide such a download speed?

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I've had 15, 50, 80, 160, 250 and now finally 400 Mbps. Honestly, anything past 80 feels the same. Webpages feel snappy as fuck, downloads still take a while because servers are limited, the only real advantage is that Steam downloads fast as fuck.

Considering there are europeans paying $15-20/month for 1gbps, $90 sucks.

>can servers even provide such a download speed?
Yep, especially from major services, some random web server obviously will fall far short. But microsoft, Nvidia, Blizzard, Steam, Google, Amazon, etc. Will have amazing speeds.

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Normie spotted. You can't even saturate a HDD with a sequential write at gigabit speeds.

torrent is random writes though

one fairly large city got gbit+ for 1 year of increased taxes and a cost of 20$ to maintain, till they got sued and had to sell up the price to what isps were selling it for.

the fact of the matter is this shit DOES NOT COST MUCH, but where google has all its issues is in the poles, EVERYONE on the poles wont let google use them till they legally can't bar them anymore, they do this because they DO NOT WANT INTERNET MODERINZED, they want the artificial scarcity. if my choice, and I can never take for granted I live between 2 fairly big cities so my internet out in a small down happens to be among the best in the country, but if I move 10 miles in any direction not toward the city's, I suddenly get 5mbit for 100+, a friend of mine is dicked with 200$ a month and he just got excited over getting 20mbit, and another just signed a deal for 60mbit at 80 a month.

they refuse to upgrade infrastructure, they refuse to fix the ends of the fiber, they let the infrastructure god damn rot because it makes more money to do nothing then to do something.

municipal, at worst, is competition at best, shits on isps, and i'm perfectly fine with a town/city wide 400$ tax hike for a year to set it up.

cant saturate a hdd with sequential writes... yea, maybe on something 100% fresh, but how many people are using a drive that can still be described as fresh?

i regularly torrent at ~60-70MB/s on my 5400RPM HDDs.
Not gigabit speeds, but over half a gigabit.

what hdd? i have a corsair cavair black 2tb and it always gives me cache overload with 500mbit connection

That's about what I pay, except I have TV in two rooms with every premium channel, landline phone, and a UPS for my gateway to still have internet during a power outage

ST4000DM000 4TB, 5400RPM, 64MB cache.

My WD Black 5TB drive with 7200RPM and 128MB cache i've seen write at like 90-100MB/s

Yes but maybe we should focus on the people without food, water or access to basic healthcare first.

always leftist socialists and their "rights" shit

like the billions in africa?

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There and in first world countries too. Food is a more basic human right than internet.

Most torrents will easily saturate 10gbps if your drives can keep up

>when you're paying $71/month for 100/15 Spectrash and four blocks south of you they have gigabit Verizon FiOS available for the same price
>the 890Mbps option on Spectrum is $120/month and it's still only 20Mbps upload
Why did the cheeseburgers let this happen, Jow Forums?

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that's not really true depending on your location.

A lot of seedboxes are in the netherlands or other areas in europe.

Peering to the US is not gonna saturate a 10gbps link in most cases.

Even a well seeded torrent in the US is going to be hard pressed to FULLY saturate a 10gbps link.

I was more thinking about Americans but sure I like niggers more than Americans.

because white people suck at governance

for me it's 250 Mbps down and 15 Mbps up at $116/mo with a 1 tb/mo cap.

I have a 200mbit line, I get upwards 300mbit from it from steam, on a torrent, even something massively seeded and large, let's say around 1gb and 10000+ seeds, I get about 70mbit, I think the most was 170mbit being used, but I connected to a webseed just as the server for it came back up. maybe on larger legit torrents they can get faster, but by the time I connect to something that isn't garbage a torrent is usually done.

my experience with internet typically is 120mbit is used by most big companies, I WILL get that much, but I will never use my full speed on anything but steam. It could be that my isp is throttling certain services so it looks faster then it is, I wouldn't doubt this, but I have tested this and I am getting 200mbit down still, just not from single sources.

no, its because artificial scarcity gets them money, and most of these companies don't compete if they don't have to.

None of these companies want to directly go 200mbit vs 200mbit because then to keep customers they have to price lower, or give more, and it would be a case study for legal teams, so where they do 'compete' they never offer comparable services for less prices.

If verizon is somewhere, with fios, then comcast won't offer a 1gbit line, but if across the street they don't have it, they will.

there a translation for this?

>upload a 4 minute HD video in less than a second
This was already possible over a 10 mbps connection

>human right
Doesn't exist, we general pretend they exist but know the reality of the situation.

>If verizon is somewhere, with fios, then comcast won't offer a 1gbit line, but if across the street they don't have it, they will.
Huh?

I have FIOS 1gbps, and Comcast offers 400mbps, 1gbps, or 2gbps. It's just more expensive with worse upload speeds (except the 2gbps speed which is just too expensive at $299/month)

Comcast does this all over the DC Baltimore metro area. Directly competing with FIOS.

There are such things, but this, and many of the things listed in the UN declaration of human rights, are not them.

Yes, Wi-Fi Cables should be a basic human right also.

Someone should also come into my house and wipe my bum everytime I goto the toilet.

Internet access isn't even a "human right" nor necessity.

It is sure hell convenient but you can live without it. Besides, the cost of entry isn't that steep either.

Internet access is a privilege

Bandwidth and infrastructure are quite finite on the last mile and some backbones.

>ITT: retards who have no idea how internet works from a hardware standpoint and telecommunications in genera.

But that isn't true at all, the main problem is the absolute refusal to upgrade the ends. fiber optics is a 100 year infrastructure, as in once its down, there is no upgrade to the cable itself, there are however upgrade to the ends, different light wavelengths and such that travel along the same cable, it's effectively able to more than double the the bandwidth over the same cable for no new cost other than upgrading the ends. The refuse to roll out new cable, they refuse to roll out new ends, and the copper infrastructure was never maintained so shits working with some gum, duct tape and prayers, this is taken from audits of what people see.

were we live we had a cable guy come out who made no bones about telling us how fucked every single aspect of the infrastructure was from here to the city, and it wasnt to ease our concerns with a high bill, no, we paid nothing.
The fact of the matter is our internet and fiber infrastructure is much like the rail system in south africa.

>fiber optics is a 100 year infrastructure
Ehhh, you don't really know that, even corning wont say they'll last 100 years. Since they were first installed in the late 1970's, we just don't know exactly how long they'll last, though you should readily expect 30+ years. Most ISPs do their network cost math on an assumption of 15-25 year lifespan before needing to replace.

corning.com/media/worldwide/coc/documents/Fiber/RC- White Papers/WP5082 3-31-2016.pdf

>In practice, optical fiber cable has been in commercial use for over 30 years.
>That said, it is imperative to install good quality cable as any shortcomings in the quality of the cabling materials used to create the optical fiber cable product can limit the ultimate lifetime of the cable materials, in particular the outer jacket.

>you can live without it.
In the modern world, can you really? Recruitment doesn't even use phones anymore, it's all computer-based conferencing software and interview software. You can't make enough money to survive on jobs that don't do full 5-round interviews anymore and you can't get education without internet access either. Honestly, the world has made internet practically as important as water (you can collect rainwater just like you can go poach free internet somewhere, and lack of both leads to eventual death if you remain inside the law).

Based Lithuania
Btw its real

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subsidized heavily by local business or gov.

They wouldn't be able to afford the networking gear, let alone actually laying fiber to customer houses at those costs.

And that is bad because? Government funded and owned fibre rented out to ISPs should be the norm if the ISPs are too retarded or too much of a cunt to do it themselves.

Human rights are a total meme. The only right a person should have is not to be born into slavery. Everything else should be earned.

I'm not saying it's bad, i'm just explaining to those who don't realize it, that's how it can be done.

I would fully advocate for the US gov. to deploy their own fiber network sold at cost to ISPs directly with minimal capital investments from the ISPs. Require all conduits and poles be shared access. Etc.

>Should gigabit internet be a basic human right?
Maybe we should work on not murdering babies first if were going to act like humans have rights.

why not work on actually having a social safety net for the kids already alive but starving and or homeless or in foster care.

Oh wait, you don't actually care about abortions, it's just about punishing those damn irresponsible liberal baby making negresses.

Speaking of internet, is ping something that can be improved worldwide or is that at it's limit with current tech?

Like if I play from europe to a server in USW my ping will be 180-230. Since data is traveling across that long distance via wire is it maxed out in terms of ping?

>Can ping be improved?
Marginally yeah with better infrastructure.
But as far as I know there is no viable way yet to send information faster than the speed of light so that would be your absolute limit how realistic that is to achieve worldwide is a whole other thing.

ping times still fall quite short of the speed of light
about 25% iirc

a more direct peering route could reduce your ping.

But really, ping is not something that can be reduced after a certain point.

Even assuming a direct line connection to the opposite side of the planet, you're looking at around 70ms each way trip for the speed of light.

That's 140ms for a roundtrip with a direct fiber line and NO routers or other network gear in-between.

Every piece of equipment between you and the end server can add latency, depending on what the device is doing.

And obviously most routes are not direct routes in a straight line to your desired destination, your packets hop around major network junctions on their way to the end server.

Without some type of magical quantum networking capabilities, we'll never reduce latency/ping.

>that can be reduced
CAN'T

No, but symmetrical 2Gbit EPON fiber connections should be available to every home in America for a reasonable price.

>EPON
my ISP is GPON and is already moving to NG-PON2 though.

In the US.

As points out actual response times fall quite short of light speeds due to server processing time etc.
Even if the servers only needed 1 ms to process everything and send back you'd still be looking at something like 60ms+ at best from Frankfurt to Washington and that might be fine for some games but unacceptable for competitive games. Double that if you live on the west coast.

And as points out unless that research into quantum physics where apparently two bits can influence each other instantly no matter the distance goes anywhere I wouldn't hold out hope. And even if we managed to right now have a breakthrough most closely comparable to the singularity quantum computers only work in near 0K environments and you will never have that at home ever.

True but like

>quantum entangled routers in hub points with 0k cooling
>hub to your house normal wire
>ping is still 2-3x lower even if connected worldwide

The dream.

Yeah, that's pretty much end-game networking in my mind as well.

Would also allow mars/moon internet to be a viable concept.

I mean yeah it'd reduce latency to the maximum even feasibly possible but as far as my limited knowledge about quantum research goes that is still "some years" away to put it lightly.

EPON is still better.

in what way?

NG-PON2 would allow for 40gbps or even 80gbps in the future.

Lower latency. EPON can currently handle 10Gbit symmetrical connections, which is way more than what most enterprises and homes need.

I wonder if the IEEE will ratify a newer EPON standard that can do 100Gbit. Probably not since it has scaling issues.

>Lower latency
realistically, not by much.

I'm on GPON and get 2-3ms ping to official valve CSGO servers.

do you even need a translation?

Fucking yes please, fuck CenturyLink and where I live

time to send some refugees

whats faster than light?
it's possible that the form factor of fiber optics may change, and what we push though it likely also will, and has.

for instance, we use to put 1 wavelength through it, now we put many though each cable that can be measured and transmitted on the other end. unless something stupidly highly dense happens, where it may be slow to move through the pipes but it dumps a VERY large load, imagine a 200+ms ping time, but suddenly for that one ping you get 100gb of data in one lump, something like this COULD be possible, not because of any flaw in fiber optics, but because the transmitters and receivers on the ends may not be able to keep up at the moment. but yea, it is an end state infrastructure that will be near if not actually impossible to replace.

if properly maintained, it will last decades if not longer, the only thing that would replace it would be a massive wifi aray, and that's not even because of speed reasons, its purely because its more feeseable if they actually saturate shit. 5g may actually be the thing that replaces a landline for us on internet, given what they need to do to make a 5g net.

I don't need one to understand, but god would it probably be funny nonetheless.

Yes, let's make 1GbE a free right for everyone.... I CAN'T SEE HOW THIS WOULD BACKFIRE SO FUCKING BADLY ON ALREADY BLOATED WEB.

>Even assuming a direct line connection to the opposite side of the planet, you're looking at around 70ms each way trip for the speed of light.
can be shorter if the line goes straight into the earth to the other side

>Considering there are europeans paying $15-20/month for 1gbps, $90 sucks.
Considering that European broadband infrastructure is usually entirely tax propped or EU propped, the contract cost doesn't accurately reflect the total cost.

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>+$15 router rental fee
>+$15 dvr rental fee
>+$15 regional sports fees
>+$10 taxes

>+$15 router rental fee
no router rental is required
>+$15 dvr rental fee
I don't have DVR
>+$15 regional sports fees
The TV plan I have is SPECIFICALLY the "infotainment and drama" package which specifically does not include sports channels, and as such, I don't get charged any regional sports fees
>+$10 taxes
Yeah, it's around $95 total after taxes, around $8-10 in taxes, and another $5-7 in fees (911 fee is the biggest I think)

Meanwhile I pay exactly $80 for fios gigabit and I'm not paying an extra $15 for useless things I don't need, nor am I forced to sign any contracts.

Amen to that although I don’t believe in God.

congrats?

I watch a lot of news, having access to all the online news streaming because i'm paying my $15 in various fees is fine with me.

>I pay exactly $80 for fios gigabit
post your bill.

No.

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No
Fuck Australians and fuck kangaroos

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Where do you live where they don't have any taxes?

There are no taxes on internet access. Taxes are only imposed on TV and phone service.