Is it the WORST possible time to start a CS degree?

CS isn't saturated.
The recent flood covers mostly "learning to code", not learning to algorithm, learning to big O or learning to design.

Pajeets don't do CS, they do "coding".
Suits are already waking up and testing algorithmic knowledge and intuition to separate monkeys from humans.

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NIGGER DID YOU NOT READ THE OP. IT ISN'T SATURATED YET BUT WILL BE SOON WHICH MEANS NOW IS THE WORST POSSIBLE TIME TO START A 4 YEAR CS BACHELORS

Learn to read nigger
It's irrelevant that "CS" will be saturated when it's not CS that will be saturated but PS.

Because the economy needs millions of "Comouter Scientists" working on efficient approximations to the TSP right?

There is no way the market is going to be sautéed in less than 5 years because the entire world is turning into a robot dystopia and that requires more engineers than there ever will be people who can write a basic program.

>not learning to algorithm, learning to big O or learning to design.
that shit is trivial

while the world's population IQ is decreasing.

buckle up, hard times ahead

How dare you degrade me with such degrogatory terms. You better show me some respect because in the coming years you'll be bowing at my feet. I am a human being in all it's glory while you in comparison are but a monkey! You are nothing but shit on my boot that I would have inadvertently stepped on, on my path towards success. Now be the servant you are meant to be. Treat me like you would treat a first class passenger! Chop chop.

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derogatory*

FUCK I hate this stupid fucking keyboard

Memorizing big O for a bunch of algorithms is, but this is not what I'm talking about.
You can teach a pajeet that big O exists and he needs to look up which algorithm to use, but you won't teach him to prove that this seemingly n^2 algorithm will only run in n*log(n) on real data.

congratulations, autist. then your job will be fine.
he said that most of the "competition" doesn't into algorithms or O notation
please learn to interpret the meaning of words in a sentence, which should be even more trivial for you

>sautéed
>phoneposting

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Do accounting and self teach computer and/or data science online. When you end up getting a job watch for positions and jobs that use programming, and if you need to get another degree to get those positions you can just go to an online university where you're able to speed through the classes since you already know. I know someone that did this with biotech and data science. She majored in a biology field and ended up getting a job as a data scientist, but she makes more than anyone would that only studied CS or data science

>Do accounting and
tbhq I wanted to go the accounting ->law school->tax attorney route.

> data science
> she
larping faggot detected

>but she makes more than anyone would that only studied CS
no

>she makes more than anyone
>she's smarter than anyone
This is good bait
It's obviously incorrect, but it's feasible that someone would think this.

>spending 4 years to get a glorified 2 year certificate
>thousands of dollars of debt later and the degree means jack shit if you haven't actually contributed to any public projects
Seriously who the fuck is actually retarded enough to fall for that shit.

CS is an over-saturated meme degree. At least majors like CE and EE weed out all the future codemonkey brainlets, which is also why their starting salaries are higher.

Your point is basically the most self-evident statement of all time i.e. "buy low, sell high = profit"
Why yes you're sub-primate IQ how could I tell?

Also, you're not the first person in the world to try to analyze the job market and predict it's development, perhaps you should look into some serious sources rather than "just look at all the normies REEEEE" because your personal experience isn't sufficient basis for a scientific conclusion hence you're a faggot.
Peace out bruh

FAANG wants degrees homie
Hehe watchu mean homie. Fug it d00d

>some meme companies that are notorious for creating horribly written software and being literal kikes
The vast majority of software dev jobs only care if you can pass their programming tests. Not whether your retarded enough to waste years and thousands upon thousands of dollars of debt to say that you read some books on programming.

Then why are so many people getting CS degrees and feeling inclined to get them?

Are they all at uni because "fug it dood hehe gonna party with chicks and learn about compooters cuz I like vidya games hehe homie" or what?

Since you seem like such a smart cookie, what careers do you think are worth it besides Lawyers and MDs (including PharmD and Dentists)?
>Accounting?
>Electrical Engineering?
>Biotech? (dunno about this. I feel like bio is a meme and biotech will never take off)

Cs degrees are the new econ degree. Everyone who doesn't know what to do but are privileged enough to know about white collar jobs are going from trying to be a doctor/lawyer/banker to cs.

Too bad you don't need one for faang tho.

Don't do ee or biotech(unless its like cs+bio data stuff) . I have a lot of (coding) bootcamp friends who graduated with pure ee degrees who hated it b/c of how institutional traditional ee industry is. Having that credential might be useful for robotics startups tho.

Does FAANG actually accept people without degrees but great personal projects? Also what about stuff like Google's AI research, I heard you need a PhD in CS to get hired for that
so only bio if I end up doing bioinformatics. Ok. Btw I think EE is just a meme spread by /sci/

>construction workers
>hella possibility to automate

the retard who made this chart should be shot. the most "automated" construction process is katerra's, and even then they still need a lot of unskilled labor to assemble it together. you can't 3D print a building completely; let alone stuff like laying interior walls properly.

but is it right about accountants?

this lol

words are hard when you're autistic

Most of the people flooding CS/Software Engineering/Informatics/Other programming and computer-related stuff drop out because, guess what, they require actual talent and skill.

Also, software design is actually a pretty rare skill. Most CS students just know how to code.

fuck you, i'm trying to not be weeded out rn lmao
t. salty virginia tech freshman engineering major

Stay away, this board has the most threads about being jobless and passing hiring process.
Or, you will be here complaining about whiteboard in few years too.

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Just about anything medical as actual boomers get too old to take care of themselves and their kids put them in homes.

>>writing HTML is NOT programming.
>he doesn't program portable pdf document files

Saturation is good, it mean s people will stop cause saturated meme, and it will in turn increase a need for them making it easier and higher pay making people.enter it, and causing saturation. You basically in front the curve.

>rn lmao
fuck off back to twitter

>Python is not programming

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>rn lmao
Just drop out already, you're not going to make it.

It's the best time actually, a decent programmer outshines all the codemonkeys where as in back then you would need to compete with people who actually know how to program stuff.

t. pascal programmer

Dunno what you're talking about, IT is literally the definition of only learn the bare minimum and make money but ultimately know nothing

idk man, i'm studying civil engineering which is farily non-automateable. being interested in tech i looked very, very, VERY much into this bc money but it seems near impossible to get rid of civil engineers.

for accounting, i feel like to some extent you can be replaced by computers. on an individual level if you are middle/upper middle class and can work with turbotax i don't think you'd need to hire an accountant. for companies though you still have a good decade or not.

i agree with that other user on studying accounting while getting a CS thing going. my school has cs+X programs, where X can be anything from econ to art history (for some reason). you could look into a minor or at least get some certificates from udemy or alternative so that you can resumeflex it

This, quite a few I've met have bailed onto a different degree scheme or left entirely.
The amount of students in lectures at my uni have almost halved after Semester 1's mandatory C module.

This.
>freshman class, 40 students
C dynamic programing class
>Second semester, 14 students, 26 dropouts
Data structures with C, Huffman final project
>now third semester, 7 autistic guys, 7 couldn't pass DS

I only dropped out because no one would let me join their fucking groups. Everybody has this misconception I'm unironically retarded based off my looks, and this has fucked me over countless times in life or even when I go out in public. I've learned to only go outside if it's late at night and all the normies are either asleep or partying somewhere.

Nearly all engineering-type fields are saturated as fuck. Anyone saying other wise is an idiot or stuck in a bubble where things are good in their specific location without realizing their situation can and will change for them quickly.

>data science
Avoid. Companies either want someone who started as something else, mastered it then learned the 'data science' skills which they hope they can use for automation or making new products or they want someone like a CV or NLP PhD.

It's a scam for education, stay away.

What do you look like? It's 4chen m8ty we don't judge (like others).
I am curious.

Virgins fags mad because user didn't code switch for them

>the market isn't completely saturated yet but it will be in less than 5 years. Just look at all the normies flooding CS because of "muh six figs" just like petroleum engineering a few years back.
I mean, the fact that you think normies doing CS degrees at shitty schools and code bootcamps are any competition to you is a good enough sign that you shouldn't do a CS degree. You are are likely just as unskilled if these people make you nervous, no offense.

If you're dedicated to what you do, then no, there's never been a better time to get into it except right before and after the dotcom bubble. Good senior-caliber engineers are very fucking difficult to find and have incredible compensation as a result.

Software is eating the world and the sooner you get in, the better off you'll be.

software is boring as fuck though. Would rather do EE desu

btw medical professionals are less likely to be replaced than code monkeys so

Unironically major in math. You have to do some extra leg work after you graduate but you can learn anything and it will be piss easy.

They said "market is saturated" when I started my CS degree ten years ago.

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Electronic Engineering?

not if they get a BA instead of BS. all they have to do is pass calc 2

Naw robots replace everything except coders and engineers

>btw medical professionals are less likely to be replaced than code monkeys so
Not really. There's huge cost incentive for automation and streamlining in the medical field of anyone who isn't a doctor or a nurse.

It's literally automate or be automated at this point.

Everyone saying normies are dropping out bc CS is hard has never took CS at a shitty state school or SUNY. I'm a brainlet and cheated my way all the way here. Hardest courses were math related.
Now i'm taking a few 400s and actually have to code but most of it's group based so ill just be a piece of shit and coast.

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Yeah, your choice is between "saturated" markets and literal nojob markets.

Jokes on this/IT in general. See I used to want to get into IT, got me a few certs, etc. Then life happened. Took a non IT job. Job is easy shit, I make enough to live decently, have damn good benefits, etc. So stick with it. Now I've just 14 more years till I can retire w/full benefits @ 50 yrs old. V.S other jobs where I'd be working till age 65 before I could retire. So moral is; IT ain't everything and if you can get a good gig that allows you to retire as soon as possible w/out gimping you any then jump on that shit. While others are dealing with stress and bullshit and other fucking shit I'll be kicking back at age 51 doing whatever I please.

you're stupid as fuck if you think health specialists will be automated but codemonkey pajeets won't

Newsflash kid, CS is a blue collar meme trade

CS job =/= codemonkey job

You don't need a college degree to become a codemonkey.

and then people like you come crying back here because you can't find a job that pays more than 40k a year in a high COL area, or a job period

>Everyone saying normies are dropping out bc CS is hard has never took CS at a shitty state school or SUNY.
Even physics is easy at shitty state schools.

cheating my way through100-200 level courses doesn't mean shit

only courses that matter are data structures, algo, oop and maybe OS
kek i had to switch to a BA bc i withdrew physics once and failed the second time

gang banged my gpa

no, it's not he worst possible time to start a CS degree. I'd actually argue it's the best time since a great fraction of the market has a meme cs degree or no degree at all and only knows front-end web shit. There is a huge demand for actually good programmers, and you don't need a degree to be one, if you're doing this for the money you'll never improve much further than front end web dev.

>withdrew from precalculus once
>got an A second time around
>withdrew from trig twice
>got an A the third time
>going to have to withdraw from physics and calculus 2
How fucked am I? It's all starting to feel hopeless.

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>tfw I was excited to go for software engineering degree
>see this thread

:/ I wasted 12 years of my life not going to college after graduation, can I still be a software engineer at 34? Im 29 now, and going for bachelor degree.

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hi im just starting an electrical/electronic engineering and computer science double degree
am I fucked?
I'm also interested in security if that makes any difference

same.
I've heard people say your brain doesn't work as well after 25, but I've found that in my case its simply not true.
In my 30s I think way better and faster than when I was 18.
For example I was OK in math in school, but now I am brilliant. I can learn things way faster. Same goes for programming.
Maybe its because of all the drugs I did in my 20s that expanded my brain.
Tbh I feel its unfair competing with the 20 year olds in my college.
Its like they are just kids and I am some sort of mutated freak who has been injecting steroids in his brain for over a decade.

physics and calc2 are both hard af. if you are eventually doing good in the course a W shouldn't matter. At least your gpa is saved. I wish I withdrew calc 2 in time. I failed it and it fucked my already fucked GPA even more.

Huh. I'm 21 and I think I'm getting in late. Lots of people my age are already finished with college and I have barely even started.
Just makes me hate school even harder. Wasted so much time and I am not even in any way prepared for college stuff. Would be better off if I just stayed at home and did more CS stuff by myself instead of going to high school.

Couldnt pass a personality test?

1/3 of the people that go into CS will go into something else by year two.

a portion won't finish. and then another portion won't even get a job that has anything to do with CS.

its not a bad degree to go for.

this
>first java class, 120+ people
>last semester, compiler design, 15 people max
supposed to be working on my abstract syntax tree ;_;

U of I? I was considering them pretty seriously, but I heard CS + X isnt as competitive for employers/grad schools

maybe for you but not for a lot of people man..