Want help? >State the budget & CURRENCY >List your uses e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors include purpose & graphics pairing >NO Speccy or "bottleneck checkers"
Secure CPUs based on current prices >1600/1700 - for non-gaming; worse in gaming due to slower memory latency >R3 2200G - Light 30-60fps gaming(dGPU optional) >R5 2600/X - Good 60fps+ gaming & multithreaded work use >R7 2700/X - Best value high-end CPU on a non-HEDT platform >Threadripper - HEDT
RAM >NEVER use only a single stick >8GB - very light use, and/or if you don't mind closing programs regularly >16GB - standard amount. If you have to ask if you need more, you don't >CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2800MHz+ is ideal. Check "more" for true latency formula
Graphics cards based on current pricing: >Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty 1080p >RX 570/580 - value. May have to lower settings in some cases. >590 - current generation games on high/maxed 60fps+; better choice if you want the included games >1660 - current generation games on high/maxed 60fps+; much more power efficient > 1660Ti / 1070 / Vega56 / 2060 - higher framerates 1440p (WQHD) >590 - lower, console-equivalent settings >1070Ti / Vega / 2070 - 60-120fps+ in most games on high/maxed >RTX 2080 / 2080Ti - higher framerates >Radeon VII - may be considered; needs cooler mod to run quiet 2160p (4k) >RTX 2080 / Radeon VII - upscale or lower settings >RTX 2080 Ti, but poor value.
Storage >Consider a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & HDD >M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard
Display >Consider 75hz minimum; 60hz are old models >PLAN BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
Multi-monitor gaming setups have been a thing since way before ultrawide. The games that don't have support are typically shitty console ports (which often have unofficial fixes).
Also that rant is likely about Overwatch, which Blizzard deliberately tried to fuck with
Easton Nelson
There are a TON of games that don't have native 21:9 support. Games that do often just upscale 2560x1440 to 3440 and call it supported but you get stretching and blurring on the game. Added to that is that most games even if they have native ultra wide support haven't configured their UI's so you'll end up with chat boxes out of the screen bounds or option boxes off screen because games companies don't give a fuck about 3440 ultrawide.
Ethan Wood
1440p is the sweet spot right now, whether 75hz or 144hz. 1080p isn't high enough quality, especially with deferred rendering engines now days which tend to have terrible aliasing. Only reason for 1080p is 240hz monitors if you're an actual professional CSGO player.
3440x1440 is almost as difficult to run as 4K, and 2560x1080p is way too little verticle space. Also your eyes are around 15:9 or 15:12 (multipled up for easier comparison), so the further away from 16:9 or 16:10 the more of your vertical vision is unfilled. You just get a lot of extra on your side peripheral that you can't even make out. It's objectively stupid. "ultra wide" is a meme the film industry is trying to force on people to get them into cinemas where more formats are supported since you can project whatever.
Nathan Perry
>tripfag with retarded OP Fuck off.
Lucas Lewis
>"ultra wide" is a meme the film industry is trying to force on people to get them into cinemas where more formats are supported since you can project whatever. Straight up false senpai. Every movie (excluding IMAX) is either Flat format (16:9) or Cinemascope (22:9), the former is typically lower budget/arthouse releases and latter high budget productions. Anything bespoke is a letterboxing of one of the two, which is quite rare but I remember Grand Budapest Hotel did this.
Josiah Jenkins
Namefag, I mean. Same retardation.
Hunter Adams
As long as you stick to 16:9 2560x1440 you're golden. It's a great resolution. Don't fall for the ultrawide retardation.
Landon Baker
Are there any good Cherry blue RGB keyboards out there? I read corsairs MX blue switches were shit and razers green (blue equivalent) had key wobble.
Ryan Torres
If I buy an i7-8700 in the next 8 months how long would it last? The plan is to get that and an RX 590 because it looks cool, it's cheap and has plug and play compatibility with some stuff I need, but I'd also like to get a stupid fast GPU for games at some point in time. Would I need to upgrade my mobo/CPU like 1-3 years after getting the 8700 to avoid bottlenecking if I want to get a top of the top of the top of the line GPU?
Also probably a stupid question but is it possible to have AMD and Nvidia GPUs in the same system? Like if I need to use the 590 with one monitor/OS and say a 2080Ti with another monitor/Windows just for games? Not at the same time of course.
It's on the actual Samsung node. That's why it uses the same power as an OC 580 while performing better. Maybe learn what you're talking about before posting. The only way the 590 was worse than the 580 was the price to performance, but their price came down. You can easily underclock the 590 to be efficient. Polaris is efficient when not overclocked to shit.
Juan Long
>Well in that case you can probably forget Nvidia totally I know, that's why I was asking about having both AMD and Nvidia. Maybe I wasn't clear enough. Let's say budget is not an issue (because I'm aware this whole concept is stupid and a waste of money), what I want in the long run is a machine that can: >Boot OS X for video editing >RX 580/90 because compatibility with mac >Dual 1080p monitors Then turn it off and: >Boot Windows 10 for games >2080Ti because retard speed >Single 144hz 1440p Monitor All without unplugging anything.
>needs to build an entire rig around video editing Are you suggesting to me that there isn't a good video editor that runs on windows?
Caleb Sullivan
>Are you suggesting to me that there isn't a good video editor that runs on windows? I'm suggesting that I don't like the Windows alternatives.
Benjamin Taylor
Why don't you just buy a mac then nigguh?
Leo Allen
I know you can do two different cards in one machine using software which you can configure which one to use, or with passthrough (though AFAIK non-Quadro don't support passthrough). But to dual boot and have one OS always use the other graphics card, I'm not sure.
Davinci's resolve..? Works on Linux, too.
Elijah Bailey
>Why don't you just buy a mac then nigguh? I did, but it's getting old. And the new ones have doubled their price lately and they commit seppuku a few months in, just after your warranty expires.
My logic is that you plug the gayming monitor to the 2080 and the dual monitors to the 590, then you turn on/off each monitor as you need when you change OS so that it doesn't recognize the others and get tangled up. Is that not how it works? In any case since I'm planning this way too far ahead I guess I'd have to build separate systems for each thing if it doesn't work but I'd rather have only one computer for everything.
Also I'm only comfortable working with Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro and everything else that comes with OS X and iPhone. I guess I could switch to Android and survive but there's no way I'm switching to Windows for anything other than games. The applel ecosystem shit is not a meme. Once you go Mac you never go bac.
not him, but I can see building a hackintosh. Especially if you like the OS but hate the fucking company. Apple overcharged for BS, and a mid-range $1200 gaming PC with off the shelf parts likely has the same specs or similar to a $3,000 Mac. I support people building Hackintoshes over buying an actual mac
Nicholas Thompson
I got that little booklet with my 1070ti Titanium. It's really poorly illustrated.
Adrian Anderson
>build a pc >decide to go budget, 1050 ti/i5 7500 >immediately have frame rate issues >decide to do a big upgrade of the GPU >realize that to match it I'd need a better CPU too >realize it'd also probably be worth upgrading to 1440p >the costs start to add up >realize that by cheaping out initially I just set myself up for greater costs later learned this lesson the hard way -- don't make my mistake, bros
man up and accept your lot >one big upgrade every 4-5 years I got a 1024p smol monitor and a simple Athlon PC when I was a babby a decade and a half ago then I got a 1080p monitor with a 555be and a 560ti which I kept until 2016, when I got a 1060 last year I sold all that for a 1440p 144hz panel, an 8700k and a 1070ti which I got for dirt cheap next upgrade is gonna be a 7nm xx80ti. Basically your processor and ram won't get outdated real quick if you buy the right stuff, you can shuffle your GPU around every 3-4 years if you get the high end stuff. Don't be a faggot
The CPU thing is true. That seems like the most vital thing to NOT cheap out on.
Oliver Jenkins
Pretty much decided on this (my first) build. I have some questions though.
>will my RAM come 3200 out of the box? if not, what would I have to do? >is it true my 2600X will automatically boost itself to 4.0ghz? >does my motherboard not support windows 7? would i need to get windows 8.1 instead? Lastly, a monitor suggestion would be nice.
>power outage last night >pc boot looping >reset cmos battery >computer won't even boot now. Fan spins and light turns on for 1 second when pressing before going off. Could it be the psu alone or is there more to to worry about? After work I'll be getting hold of my friend pc to properly diagnose poo
>My logic is that you plug the gayming monitor to the 2080 and the dual monitors to the 590, then you turn on/off each monitor as you need when you change OS so that it doesn't recognize the others and get tangled up. Is that not how it works? It might. But usually BIOS and OS looks by the slot for which is the "primary" afaik. You'd have to look into it more. That's a really niche cache.
Depends on the model. The EVGA 3 slot one is perfectly fine. Those dinky MSI 1 fan ones are garbage.
I guess at the time you bought it, there wasn't much other options except a used 4c/8t. 2016 was one of the darkest time to buy a PC. Though the RAM and GPUs getting super expensive was even worse.
Don't waste money on the NVMeme. And you may have to enable XMP or similar in BIOS.
Dylan Gray
really don't understand why people aren't just waiting for Zen 2? Its guaranteed to be a 15% perf increase across the board.
Nicholas Parker
Is the 1600 still worth using in a new machine if I can get it from microcenter for $80?
Josiah Smith
>guaranteed to be Stop being dumb. The chiplet design is a HUGE latency red flag. It could end up being worse in games and first gen. This is AMD we are talking about, nothing is certain until objective benchmarks on release silicon are out.
Xavier Hughes
Budget: £1200.
Few questions .. are the compatibility issues a real problem and is that cooler even going to fit in that style of case?
How is NVME a meme? I looked up a bunch of SSDs and it seems that one is one of the fastest. Previously I was opting for a A400 Kingston.
I have to get this before March ends unfortunately.
Joseph Phillips
have you been loking into the presentations and design. They've upped IPC. Why would that worsen gaming? Aswell they aren't going over 12cores for consumer mid and high end and 2700x seems to be doing quite fine as is.
Sebastian Williams
Another four months for an unknown product is a long time to wait. I bought an R5 2600 at the beginning of Feb because the performance is good enough
That's a good price; check benchmarks to see whether it's good enough. If the 2600 would be, the 1600 probably is too
Get X470 if you're getting an X CPU (for Precision Boost). Otherwise just get a 2600. The 2070 kinda sucks, considering it's only about 15% better than the 2060. Good monitors can be found here, in one of the bottom parts lists pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/
Need X470 for Precision Boost. Get Win10, not even a question if you're considering 8.1
Jacob Thompson
>Precision Boost What is this?
Gavin Evans
what are some good 120mm case fans, I want 1 intake and 1 exhaust around corsair sp120 price range
Lincoln King
I need to find RAM for my Mac Pro 2,1 since it has 2GB only. I need this exactly but cannot find anything on Ebay
>I looked up a bunch of SSDs and it seems that one is one of the fastest You can't tell the difference between the speed of a hummingbird and a fly beating their wings.
No it didn't. You're just lying.
Worst Ela cosplay I've ever seen.
Arctic PWM
DDR5 is almost out. Go figure DDR2 is hard to find.
PBO. But works on B450. I don't know why people in /pcbg/ keep saying it requires X470.
>rx580 8gb >R51600 >shitty old (literally ten years) 1080p 60hz panel >~$200 to spend >in the US What kind of monitor should I upgrade to? Should I stick with 1080p or go for a higher resolution? is 144hz worth the price over 75hz? All I do is gaming, programming, and other EE related shit, so I don't really care about colors.
Jonathan Turner
>will my RAM come 3200 out of the box? if not, what would I have to do? You'll have to enable XPM profile in BIOS. Pretty much any IMC can handle 3200, so you're good >is it true my 2600X will automatically boost itself to 4.0ghz? Only single core 4.2GHz boost is guaranteed. 4.0 all cores is possible, but it's a silicon lottery in the end. No way to tell for sure (some struggle to OC to turbo frequency). >does my motherboard not support windows 7? would i need to get windows 8.1 instead? Your CPU doesn't support W7 either. Just get 8.1 or 10.
Blake Scott
>a400 - 500 read write >that one - 3000 read write Please explain it to a big retard like myself.
No i'm looking at facts not marketing. Latency is a huge factor with separate dies, Zen 2 will have up to 3 on one package. Also there will only be 1 memory channel per chiplet, similar to threadripper design and we know how well that works for gaming. Improving IPC alone isn't enough. Don't get me wrong I hope it's good and will buy if it is, but to assume it's a done deal is very naive.
Andrew Rodriguez
>previous shill thread failed but this time you got to make it huh?
Justin Perry
looks like you did ZERO abosolutely ZERO research, got shit parts, fucking windows 10, and the rest of stupid choices you could make and now are suffering for it. Maybe in the future you use your brain before you get yourself neck deep in shit.
RX590 is like $70 cheaper. Depends if you want to spend more money or not.
In one game. In Apex Legends, a far less shitty game, the 590 gets 15% higher FPS than the 1660.
I saw a 1440p 75hz for like $200. I forget the model number though. You'd have to play on like medium settings, though.
Have fun transferring things back and forth between 2 NVMeme drives all day so you can marvel at the read/write speeds that you never see in the real world.
Why link that if you didn't watch it and don't understand the context? RX590 was $280 then. GN said, that if price was dropped to $220, the RX590 would be recommendable again.
Robert Richardson
I built my first pc not long ago and did something similar, but I bought nearly everything from amazon, knowing that I could send things back. The whole process took nearly 2 months. I started out with a ryzen 3, then ryzen 1600, then a 2600. I bought a 1060, sent it back, got a 590, sent it back to buy a used 1070. Replaced my ram once, sent back three fucking PSU's. I even sent back my cheap ass cooler which I had for nearly 2 months for a slightly better one lmao.
I didn't even really spend anymore money because of the second hand 1070 that I got in the end. I jewed everyone and won. I even got my free games from the 590.
Oliver Taylor
590 is a broken piece of failure stop shilling ty
Julian Moore
1660, obviously.
Adam Perez
The 1660 shits on all AMDrone cards near that price range, shut the FUCK up namefag. How mad are you? Nvidia DOMINATES all the price tiers now except for babby level and even there people will pick the 1050/ti over the 570 >1660 1080p>2060 1440p>2080/ti 1440p 144hz/4k 60hz
Isaac Carter
Nice coupe. Not only does the RX590 get higher FPS in Apex Legends, but it uses almost half the CPU with the lower driver overhead. youtube.com/watch?v=rYZfBhACKwI
>even there people will pick the 1050/ti over the 570 I'm glad you rambled on just to admit the nvidiot stereotype is clearly based on reality.
>Not only does the RX590 get higher FPS in Apex Legends Bullshit, end of the video shows 1660 constantly ahead of the 590 by 5-20%. Do you even watch what you post?
Jaxson Smith
I just want to play DF and do dev/pentesting stuff, what do I need? PC parts or Thinkpad models (minimum, I live in a 3rd world hell)
Cooper Robinson
In compareable areas, the RX590 is 10-15% ahead. Are you comparing staring at the walls vs the dropping at the start on the 590? Imagine you doing something like that.
Dominic Nelson
>AMD shill is shilling 590 WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT! WHAT A SHOCK!
Jack Taylor
>nvidia shill wants you to pay more for less >Who would have thought! >What a shock!
Joshua Fisher
>GN said, that if price was dropped to $220, the RX590 would be recommendable again. Steve must not have been thinking clearly, because the 1660 is faster than the 590 and the 1660 is $220. On top of that the 590 uses over twice the power of the 1660. Face it, the 590 is a stupid purchase, and you're stupid for actually believe the shit you post
>inb4 the namefag retard discounts actual data with some memes like "nvidiapowerup" like the retard he is
Christopher King
>actually believing that the 590 is more powerful than the 1660 over a wide variety of games Delusion
Colton Hall
Except, I am not shilling anything. But I see how it's hard for you to grasp that concept.
Daniel Hughes
>only 8% more performance >you will notice 8% difference >wow I need 216FPS, 200 is too little Imagine being a fucking nvidiot
John Foster
>Tfw Intel will still sell more than AMD Based AMD loser shills
Landon Russell
I want to have hot sweaty sex with that dragon
Anthony Price
>according to Nvidia Power Up GN's test suite is more comprehensive.
Yes you are.
Jason Cox
>GN's test suite is more comprehensive. Right up to the point where GN tests show that AMD is bat at something, then suddenly GN is shills, don't know what they are doing and so on...
>GN's test suite is more comprehensive. It's not, retard. TPU uses way more games. Anyway you don't have any data, just your memory, which we all know is garbage, so just shut the fuck up unless you can post benchmarks
Tyler Peterson
Yes. I got one of the cheaper alternatives and it did not last, and I'm fairly light. Just get a Herman Miller.
Can't start a new thread until the old one dies. You should probably delete your thread before jannies do
Adam Morales
Any suggestions? Not too keen on the case.
This is to use with an Acer XB271HU, and an 24" screen. For heavy gaming.
Upgrade: CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Video Card: MSI - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB GAMING X TRIO Case: NZXT - H500 (Black) ATX Mid Tower
Current parts to be upgraded: CPU: Intel - Core i5-6500 3.2 GHz Quad-Core Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-H270M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Memory: Kingston - FURY 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 960 4 GB Case: Thermaltake - Versa H25 ATX Mid Tower
Parts to be used from current build: CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-D14 64.95 CFM CPU Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Storage: Kingston - A400 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Power Supply: Thermaltake - Toughpower Grand RGB Sync Edition 750 W 80+
so i bought a used MSI 1080TI Armor OC, but recently found out that the stock cooling is absolute garbage. How brainlet-friendly are all-in-one water coolers for GPUs? how hard will i suffer with the stock cooler?
