Devotion to the Arch Linux distribution is an example of Stockholm Syndrome

Have you ever gotten to the bit that reads...
>See Arch boot process#Boot loader for a list of Linux-capable boot loaders.

There are no information on how to install bootloader tho.

fuck off

i use arch btw

>using Xorg
>not only using TTY and framebuffers like a true Jow Forumsentoo man

This tickles my neckbeard

>This is not a good thing.
Arch is rolling release. Installing it from the Internet is the entire point. You don't use it if you need a fixed release.
Also, I doubt even the average Linux desktop user could figure out how to get Plan 9 or a derivative to work.

Same, it taught me to install a bootloader, format drives, create filesystems and connect to wifi from the command line.

but muh packages are more up to da... oh wait no rawhide gentoo unstable and sid are usually more up to date

>tedious install
You clearly have never tried to install Arch. All you do is partition and mount filesystems. It can be done in 10 minutes. All you need to know is basic terminal commands. But please continue to cope by saying Arch is hard to install because you are a complete brainlet

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That's trivial, using gparted and looking at the commands probably teach you more about drives.

>pathetic apologetics
Who could have foreseen this?
You can literally install 9front by reading the text on screen.

>>pathetic apologetics

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>You learn more from using a GUI program that handles everything for you than using the command line and creating every aspect of a drive's partitions
The absolute state of Jow Forums

10 minutes of typing IS a tedious install

I've used arch for 6 years and I've never had xorg break. I've -Syu'd and borked my system before, but it's never been harder than booting the install medium and fixing shit from arch-chroot. Why is breaking xorg a meme

>fdisk /dev/sda
>n
>Enter
>Enter
>+200M
>n
>Enter
>Enter
>+12G
>n
>Enter
>Enter
>+20G
>n
>Enter
>Enter
>Enter
>w
>mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda1
>mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda3
>mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda4
>mkswap /dev/sda2
>swapon /dev/sda2
>mkdir /mnt/boot
>mkdir /mnt/home
>mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot
>mount /dev/sda3 /mnt
>mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/home
>pacstrap /mnt

But please continue to cope

Arch teaches nothing USEFUL. Every distribution used by actual people for actual business--Ubuntu, SUSE, Red Hat, etc.--has a graphical or text-based installer. None of them requires the horseshit that Arch does. If you want to REALLY learn Linux, you learn how to be productive, not waste time with things that've been automated over a decade ago.

I think Windows might be more your speed if you can't spend 10 minutes for a ONE time install

No one in their right mind who wants to do anything serious uses Arch. It's just for hobbyist dipshit hipsters that want to look cool to other nerds, but end up just being annoying faggots.

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>It's another things Arch users do, but I can't provide any real examples thread.
Xorg has never broke on me, not even on AMD graphics. If you want an easy install, just use Anarchy Linux. It's based on Arch.

Maybe, but they're things i never would have learned about, had i not installed arch and kept using distros with GUI installers that do pretty much all the work for me.

>t. Couldn't install Arch

it's not distro's responsibility to teach you anything

Then why does arch insist on their arhaic install?

>anarchy linux
It's dead, jim.

Arch User
>Aw man, something corrupted my home partition. Better boot up a live disk, chroot, and repair it

GUI installer user
>Welp, I guess I'll have to reinstall my entire OS

no need to maintain a tui installer, I suppose
there are lots of scripts and installers available already

>If you want to REALLY learn Linux, you learn how to be productive, not waste time with things that've been automated over a decade ago.
Then it's a good thing that Arch is mostly automated and is idiot proof for anyone familiar with bash.

>implying you're 'doing something' or 'creating anything' by using commands

you do realize that the commands you enter are programs all the same that 'do everything for you'? a GUI uses the exact same commands. The only difference is the interface.
It's not about intelligence or anything. It's literally just about user interface.

Typical cult behaviour.

No shit that's the point I was trying to make. If you use a GUI program, you don't see the commands being used and don't gain an understanding. It's like learning Assembly. You could just program without understanding how it works but you'll be better at programming if you understand why it does what it does

Arch sucks, but it is the only useable distro long term besides Gentoo. Not because it's stable but because it's easy to fix and maintain when it fucks up, the same cannot be said for other distros. You didn't set those distros up, ubuntu, debian, cloveros and the likes - the holes will show eventually and they will fail and bug out for inexplicable reasons and no one will know how to fix it
but arch is not like that because YOU set it up, see?
but gentoo is still better

you need an internet connection to install arch.

wont work on eufi systems

Said nobody in the tech industry.

those commands are just programs. Learning those commands is just learning those programs. You're not learning how things 'really work'. You're learning how those specific commands work. Same with assembly, it's just an abstraction over a machine language. It is, again, not how things 'really work'. It's a program. You still know nothing of caches, clocks, threads, or anything CPU-related. And for that matter, assembly hasn't been a 1:1 mapping to any real CPU's behaviour for decades.

The abstract hierarchy of languages and operating systems starting with OSX and python and ending with Linux and C is entirely made up to attribute some sort of gain to a nerd's unending hunt of esoterica.

All you do is make /dev/sda1 a fat32 filesystem instead

implying anyone uses linux for mainstream production in tech

haha, no. maybe soon since windows 10 is reaching linux levels of broken

How is that relevant to what you use on your home computer?

Why would you use Arch when Clear Linux is a thing? phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=arch-antergos-clear&num=2
And this is a year old, it's even faster now.

>You're not learning the nuiances of a language. You're just saying words to form a sentence

You can always go up a level abstraction, but by installing Arch, you learn how to use commands like lsblk, fdisk, mkfs, etc. You're learning how to use and apply various commands. Something a person who only uses GUI applications would not know

will work on 1% of eufi based systems

It has worked on every system I've used paired with efibootmgr

wow great didnt know the 3 computers you owned accounted for every implementation of eufi since early 2000s quite a collection you have there

why do people say arch isnt easy to use?
you can use yaourt to install pretty much any programm so theres no need to even dowload a .deb manually.
it has the best documentation of any distro so can literally just open a wiki tab and type in commands if you run into any problem. no need to search the ubuntu forum for a temp fix

its probably the easiest most straight forward distro to use and all normalfags saying its hard to use have never done so and just say "but muh xorg config" even tough that hasnt been a problem in years

the people that hate arch and spam i use arch btw are the same people

all the people I know irl and online that use arch have never spouted these memes ironically or unironically

Didn't say that asshole just saying it's possible

>all the people I know irl

So your mom and her new boyfriend Carl? Arch Linux is a piece of shit btw, as are its users.

>not simple for users
i beg to differ
>tedious install that doesn't actually teach anything
well it tought me that debian's a shit
>xorg broke again
>lul he still uses xorg

I'm on NVidia so I have to use it :(

I have been using it for several months, it never broke so far so nothing to complain about

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i3 is comfy

>'Toxic'
OK reddit

The arch forums are literal stereotypes of neckbeards tho.
The wiki is sufficient for 90% of issues anyway

what do you mean?

workspace_layout tabbed
hide_edge_borders smart

how is it related to me not being able to use wayland?

>simple for devs not simple for users
Maybe not if you don't know how to read the wiki
>xorg broke again
This is basically just a meme at this point updates don't break the system anymore.
Also kys fag go and let ubuntu steal your data

>tedious install
bruh what even is pacstrap

why would you want to?

literally, a distribution for kids

Well, it's not like you have a lot of choices for rolling releasing distros(Solus was great but with Ikey leading it, the development has become much slower since he left). Plus installing arch is quite fast and the system will probably never break if you don't play with things you shouldn't. I prefer Debian but the times I used arch it never broke anything and I updated right at the moment a package(s) was ready to ship.

Use Void.

You are basically saying "dont learn low level langs, just learn python" or "just use IDEs without actually understanding your toolchain". You are a brainlet desu

>tedious install
true.

>that doesn't actually teach anything
I did learn a few things.

>mfw I just bought an arch sticker for my laptop and there's absolutely nothing Jow Forums can do about it

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>by installing Arch, you learn how to use commands like lsblk, fdisk, mkfs, etc
Wait, this is what Arch teaches you? This baby shit?
Well fuck i may as well stick with ubuntu

Why is arch so popular yet no one talks about Debian netinst? Being serious btw.

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debian has an installer though, they only thing people complain about are old packages. I use debian stable myself via the netinstall and it’s great.

Debian's focus is stability, its rolling release branch is their secondary task
On the contrary Arch is devoted to being rolling release and rolling release only, with tools designed specifically for such update system

>t. coping Archlet who couldn't figure out the install

arch is what happens when a retard tries to clone gentoo

what's there to talk about, the universal operating system just werks

I only respect people who use LFS as their installation guide.

>All you do is partition and mount filesystems.
is installing Arch going to be a problem if I already have 3 other partitions on my HDD (2 OS and 1 swap)? Will the installation fuck with my current grub?

Because Debian/Fedora/SUSE/whatever have shit repository. The only reason I use Arch is that they have a GODLIKE repository. The way they name and structure their packages is really nice. I wish there was a fixed-release Arch version so I don't have to worry about updating my packages weekly. It might be a very autistic reason tho.

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this, you can say that arch is shit because of the buggy releases of software. But this type of installation is fast as fuck. I don't know why debian installer is so slow compared to this.
I mean installing is just copying a bunch of files to your hard drive, it's not hard

but not enough diacritix

u should probably read the wiki. then check the forum to see if others faced the same issue as you.

but who cares

you are a piece of shit

shut up nerd

Devotion to the Linux is an example of Stockholm Syndrome. Members are indoctrinated into the cult, denying any issues and blaming themselves instead. Denying that it ever breaks or impedes them. Denying reality.

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i've tried reading the wiki and forums, they all focus on dual booting Arch w Windows, I want to install Arch alongside two other distro's that have partitions on my HDD. My main concern is the grub, since it's on some Kali grub right now so whenever I reboot my PC I see the Kali image whenever I try to select my OS

So if I try to install normally, let me know if any of this sounds wrong
>gparted, create new empty partition for Arch
>begin Arch install in newly created /sda4
>creat filesystem and whatnot
>skip swap partition because I already have one, I can add it to the fstab later
>grub should automatically update, listing the other 2 OS's I already have on there

>thread about how Linux breaks
>literally everyone agrees, including freetards that suggest other distros/OSes
>thread about how Windows breaks
>sagebombed by /v/ kids that think Microsoft products are infallible because their Steam games install correctly

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>npc.say("orange microsoft bad")
No some people are literally saying arch breaks but not muh chosen distro and others are denying it breaks at all. Here you are denying reality, what's actually written, exactly like I wrote you would.

i never installed arch but my opinion is that its for faggoty script kiddies who want to feel superior but dont actually know anything beside reading man pages and copy-pasting terminal commands. if your gonna be a l33t h4xx0r you should install gentoo and shut up about it. i have a sneaking suspicion that all the archfags on /g are reddit bugmen from r/unixporn who spend all day ricing and not actually using their tiling window manager to get work done.

>i have a sneaking suspicion that all the archfags on /g are reddit bugmen from r/unixporn who spend all day ricing and not actually using their tiling window manager to get work done.
There are Arch users who aren't in this group. However, the mere existence of these 12 year olds justifies most of the hate Arch gets on Jow Forums.

You can't generalize it to that extent. Arch is actually a pretty good distro these days that suffers from a not so good past and a half cancerous userbase. Installing arch is really easy as well.
That said, I always stick with Debian because i'm familiar with it and because I trust it 100% if I ever need to host a server.

The only way for Linux to shrug off the reputation that it breaks all the time, is for it to have never broken at all.

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>arch is actually a pretty good distro
>systemd
>rolling release
>r/unixporn favorite
tell me more. install gentoo or stop rping as a hacker.
also i can generalize whatever the fuck i want. maybe its against the community rules on whatever subreddit you come from.

Solus will replace Arch as the "meme distro" in about two years when it finally catches up package-wise. Arch will go the way of slackware. Alone and... sad.

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problem with slackware fren?

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