Swearing by Arch

>swearing by Arch
>Arch uses systemd
Explain yourselves.

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I don't really care about systemd. I just don't know better.

Arch users are seriously deluded.
Its the most bloated "minimal" distro ever and the decision to include systemd proves one thing: Arch is only designed to make neckbeards feel superior.

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come come fren, enter the void

Haha no devs are horse-fuckers and probably pedos

Can you tell me why systemd is bad?

This.

>durrr my distro is so minimal even though the base minimal installation has a retarded number of bloated packages, you just don't understand it because you don't really know how linux works

Enter the void. It's comfy and you dont have to sniff your own farts.

>gentoo
scary
>ubuntu
bloated and unmanagable
I love Arch!

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Openbsd is the answer, as per usual.

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>Its the most bloated "minimal" distro ever
Who says that?

>Arch is only designed to make neckbeards feel superior.
And you call others delusional

>Autism
No, thanks.

Arch users usually are the worst kind of beginner: the one who doesn't actually know much about his system yet and don't really care to learn more. That's why they are using arch in the first place instead of superior distros.

t. Delusional neckbeard wanting to feel superior

Name a single distro better than Arch

Arch devs say it.
Minimal is just a meme. Arch is designed to give you everything you need, except thebase installers.
It means when you install a package it comes with too many stuff that isnt really needed.

As I am not an autist, I don't have a problem with using systemd.

Depending on your preferences:
Gentoo
GuixSD
Devuan
*buntu

Dependencies are split into required and optional stuff. Optional stuff doesn't get installed automatically. What makes packaging different from other distros is that with Arch, you automatically get dev headers and documentation installed. For most users this is ok and can actually prevent headaches when compiling custom packages.

systemd just werks and more packages just werk for it

How can you shill GNOME at every possible occasion, but oppose systemd, which is a requirement to run GNOME?

based schizo

>*buntu
shiggy

It's the only normalfag friendly distro

doesn't mean it's any good

Except it is good, that's why it's on my list.
In fact it would be better for most archtards if they would use *buntu for a while and learn what an usable system can look like before they try building their own custom install.

>*buntu
>usable
Why use a watered down version of what is trying to be windows/macos?

Void is just Arch with an inferior package manager and less packages in general. I used it for a few months and now I'm back to Arch.

What do you mean? It's just debian without most of the free software autism.

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>inferior package manager
you are either joking or are an absolute certified faggot

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name an actual issue with it other than "it's user friendly"

Xbps lacks most of pacman commands. One of the things I missed was the possibility to filter out specific packages when doing a general update.

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>linux is bad because it doesn't work like windows

>oh no there are too many normies in our elite club!
>dont worry bro I got a way to fix that

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t. anti-Arch shill who's assmad about failing to install it

He spams the same pictures in every single Arch thread. Imagine being so butthurt over a fucking distro of all things.

It's true that I'm not using arch, I'm using gentoo.

do people still think arch is difficult to install? (・∩・)

>u dare to say bad thing about my toy!!

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Arch Linux. The distro of many redditors.

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>triple doubles
i use debian with systemd. i don't even like systemd, just like how i hate my car, my house, my phone, my appliances, etc. nobody makes anything good anymore, it's all cheap plastic shit run by pajeet's garbage software. you can't win, so just give up and learn to laugh at the normie retards who actually value all this trash.

That gave me a new perspective, thanks user

I dont use Arch because it's minimal. I never have. I use it because of its package policies (all build options by default), i use it for the AUR, I use it for the extensive Wiki. But mostly, I use it because I agree with the maintainers on a philosophical level (not the community). systemd is a great init system, it works and requires minimal effort. No dependency management, no shell scripts, just systemd. You can bitch about muh fucking Unix philosophy all you want, I dont give a shit. I've used this distro for nearly 10 years, and it has served me well and continues to do. Arch requires the least maintenance out of any bleeding edge distro, and thats what the maintainers aim for, and thats what I want. You can stick to Void and and your ancient init syatems, I'll stick with syatemd and Arch.

>in this moment, i am euphoric

As if you faggots preachimg about much fucking Unix philosophy and muh non-bloat minimalism using a distro made by a literal pony fucker arent the fesors tipping, screeching autists.

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You seem to be having problems with the letters s and a, user. You alright?

Does it matter?

i use linux because it's free as in beer, not because i like it. i would use windows if it didn't seem to get in the way more than helped me get things done. your assumptions about me are all false, but i did enjoy the major sperg-out. keep it coming, i have nothing to do this afternoon.

Who cares about minimalism? Arch is easy, that's why I use it.

OpenSUSE Tumbleweed is a better rolling release distro for ease of maintenance and recovery from regressions. You can still use the Arch Wiki since it's so generic.
t. former Arch user of 5 years

The comment wasnt directed solely to you. If that's your philosophy I have no problem with you. At the very least your reply let me point out exactly who the type of people who use Void are, so thanks.

>Gentoo
>scary
It's not so bad once you use it for a while.

>no replies
poetry

Is it bleeding edge? Does it have an equivalent to the AUR? I have not had to touch a single thing with the Arch base system in years. Not since the systemd implementation. I don't care about troubleshooting packages, I use bleeding edge knowing that some applications will break, that i will have to troubleshoot. But thats not maintaining my distro.

It's not easy, it's simple.
Also it's not simple or easy for the user, but the arch developer.

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Systemd is good and a chance for Linux to finally reach feature parity and maybe even surpass windows NT services from the 90s or launchd on macOS.

If you honestly still believe you can achieve feature partity with them with fucking shitty auto-executing bash scripts, you're an idiot.

It's very flexible, but better not play with it. Not use ** git release.

If the devs need to do less work to maintain the distro, that usually applies to the user's system as well. The fact that all options are enabled by default for packages means shit will just work, programs will run with the features you expect and even the ones you dont need. Which is fine. Maybe you'll use thoae features in the feature, and you wont have to compile or rebuild a package to do it. Less maintenance overall on both sides.

OpenSUSE has the latest packages in the Tumbleweed variation. The AUR equivalent is OBS but it's not as extensive. I wouldn't recommend using the AUR or OBS for security reasons unless you really need a shit ton of packages from it. I switched to compiling the one application I wanted from upstream. On the topic of regressions, OpenSUSE has Snapper + BTRFS to make rolling back small or catastrophic updates quickly. Arch has broken on me two times from a catastrophic update from an officially supported package, one of which I was not able to recover from and had to reinstall. OpenSUSE minimizes the problems with filesystem snapshots.

I like systemd

Sounds nice, but I do need the AUR for a decent amount of packages, particularly for a decent amount of upstream packages because I test and contribute bug reports for a audio-related programs. Sure you could get fucked over by someone uploading a malicious package, but I'm willing to take that risk.
I have a script to install everything i use in my environment, even if my system breaks i can have it running again within 15 minutes, which is mainly just downloading packages.

schizo of truth

systemd is based, only trannies and fags are against it, if you have ever had paid job you would know

like it or not, systemd will stay for now. unless you're about to release a better alternative, you should learn how to use it.

Nice digits. I'd love to use parabola but there's so much dumb shit they do that turns me off.

It’s called OpenVZ.

Irrational hatred of systemd is a definitive sign of faggotry.

manjaro is arch that actually works

> They don't know or care about poetterware littering

>noobjaro is best
That's fine if you use it, but I'd rather have more control over my system.

Tey installing pandoc and watch it pull in 1gb of haskell dependencies. It is only minimal for the developers, not the users.

I use Artix, I'm not a nigger

419MiB but I get your point. That's pretty much why I didn't install pandoc.

How is it Arch's fault that Haskell's ecosystem is hot garbage? It's never had similar issues with other, much less supported languages.

arch does work... you where just too stupid to google arch install script. poojaroo is less stable than arch, because you added a package middle man who can only ok so many packages.
>new package updated
>new dependency updated
>new dependency breaks other packages


gg

Is there no mini version of pandoc? I am just doing the random 2html and 2md converting. Would love to use a small pandoc version. Any idea?

Isn't Arch the only major distro that dynamically links Haskell packages, thus mandating all of the dependencies?

Arch installation is literally 10 steps
>partition disks
>format partitions
>mount
>pacstrap
>chroot
>do some simple config
>install anything else you want
>install bootloader
>exit
>reboot and hope you didn't fuck up anything

>arch updates a package
>package dependency is updated
>all other packages with the old dependency break
arch installation is easy, arch is not stable enough for anything but hobbyist usage. manjaro stable actually gets bug testing before updates are pushed. literally the only reason arch > manjaro, If you fucked with your repos and got arch to use manjaro stable it would be just as good and without 'muh bloat' that manjaro supposedly has. but as it is, manjaro is arch for people with jobs.

Works on my machine

>>>arch updates a package
>>package dependency is updated
>>all other packages with the old dependency break
Found the guy who's never tried the distro

because your machine has no work to do.

I use arch because it's the easiest distro to use.
since it's using systemd everything works together like a charm now.
no more fucking around with different shit for init, networking, logging, ...

wanna install a package?
>aurman -S package
no need to add weird repos or look up compiler flags

don't know how to set up a program?
arch wiki has your back.
it obviously doesn't contain all the info, but it's a good start and often references extended setup sites.

>partial update is not supported
found the guy who can't read the fucking manual

>arch is not stable enough for anything but hobbyist usage
>hobbyist usage
So, you're all work on your machine? You have a ws, not a pc?

R*ddit ruined Arch for me

I just like keeping up with patches, versions, features, large paradigm changes, and ahead of -- mainline's -- depreciation; then again I'm a sysadma'am, and I write shit tier code & shitscripts for these needy ass internal customers.

I use Arch, Debian, Redhat, IOS, and some crazy ass controllers daily though, and feel each has a use case.

systemd unit files, and good virt support; and I don't have to live in the past. enjoy ducking and dodging change, and your technical debt cunts.

gg? all you bitchy fuckers suck, including me.
christfuck.

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Reddit has Jow Forumsunixporn moon-cricket...

runit seems dope

sauce!

That's not a girl user...

>>reboot and hope you didn't fuck up anything
It's really hard to fuck up anything. Although I did forget to set my locale after generation once, which you can do post-setup anyways.

Is that a problem

Well, then it's one of Binto's works. Have fun

Pacman is really /comfy/ tho

And systemd is an organized disaster. I am willing to deal with it if it means I get to use the other cool stuff that comes with arch.

If gentoo wasn't an even bigger time sink than arch I might switch to it and go the openrc route