Why does Jow Forums use webM video format?

>no volume
You meant "no sound", pajeet, and even that would be factually incorrect, see >doesn't play native on iPhones
good
>can’t send through what’s app
good

fucks sake, this has to be bait. No one can possibly be that much of a newfag

there's no adapting
just die, normies

imagine being proud to "join" an anonymous chinese imageboard website more than a decade ago. you fucking oldfags are pathetic, get a life

newmoot doesnt care about improving the site, just about making moneyf rom it

ebin bruh gotem lmao XD

get a girlfriend
oh wait you're that 40 year old cross-dresser who sells his ass to street niggers so you can use the money to pay your internet bills and post on this shitty website. go fuck yourself faggot

get laid, kid. your angsty ass needs it.

>No volume
Wrong
>doesn’t play native on iPhones
Tough shit
>can’t send through what’s app
Same.

>no sound
dliberate limitation, see /gif/ where it's enabled
>no iphone
good
>no whatsapp
who gives a fucking shit

now the real question, why no vp9

might be able to beg for it on qa, has anyone actually asked the gook?

>doesn’t play native on iPhones
Why are you using overpriced corporate garbage that can even play webms properly?

i really want an android just so Jow Forums browsing would be comfier, but i just really like iOS. I've used androids for years before my 6 plus and they always go wrong one way or the other.

reminder he pretends to speak shit english to seem cute and harmless

I've posted about it a few times in /qa/. Never got any response.

BECAUSE THEY DONT WANT IFAGS ON 4CHANNEL YOU FUCKING STUPID NIGGER

try harrassing the mods about it on irc, theyre all turbo normal fags tho so watch out

So your shitphone can't run a high-resolution high-compression video file? Sucks to be you retard enjoy your mp4s

We can prepay the pass now

lmao go back to faggot where your fee-fees won't get hurt by "40 year-old crossdressers"

>doesn’t play native on iPhones

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>No volume,
There is volume on /gif/ and /wsg/
>doesn’t play native on iPhones
ITODDLERS BTFO
>can’t send through what’s app
GTFO goddamn normalfags

>Why does gookmoot still insist on such a shit video experience?
This is an imageboard not a video sharing platform, now get out.

>cares about compatibility with proprietary software
HAHAHA fuck off faggot zoomer, FOSS dictatorship soon

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>Moot
>M

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>FOSS dictatorship soon

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Lol buy a real phone ipleb. Webms are the future. Gif and wsg both have sound.

>doesn't play natively on iphones
That's only a good thing, you retard

>doesn’t play native on iPhones
It's called a "feature"

Sound is only allowed on a few boards like and >muh phone doesn't play them

The real question is why doesn't chinkmoot allow VP9 already?

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>webms triggering phone posters
Can we ward off phone posters with webms?

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>can’t send through what’s app
>doesn’t play native on iPhones
so, there was also a problem, y'say?

>No volume, doesn’t play native on iPhones, can’t send through what’s app, etc
Is this bait? You might unironically think gif is better.

Good god, that webm is too much. lol I counter with one of my own.

>Can we ward off phone posters with webms?

Post one with every post you make.

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>No volume
webm supports audio you dumb motherfucker. other boards can play webms with sound

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>webms triggering phone posters
How exactly? It's totally fine even with my $80 Xiaomi

It's better though: it triggers only iToddlers.

>No volume
Intentional outside of /gif/ to prevent screamers.
>doesn’t play native on iPhones
Still? Why can't Apple make stuff that isn't shit?
>can’t send through what’s app
Why are you using it?

>doesn’t play native on iPhones
iPhones are only used by retards anyway, why would we want more of them

Can anyone explain to me why everyone on Jow Forums has an adamant hate of Whatsapp? (no "botnet" bs)

none of those are problems other than whatsapp support which is also fixable.

I sometimes want to send Jow Forums webms to people on whatsapp. Since I use web.whatsapp I can easily attach files of any format like webms, I even wrote a quick handy script for it that works on top of Jow Forums x. They can't view it inplace though like mp4 but fuck it, it's part of the "gold and exclusive" Jow Forums experience they get through me.

>No volume, doesn’t play native on iPhones,
good!
>can’t send through what’s app, etc
whatsapp converts to mp4 (on android)
>Why does gookmoot still insist on such a shit video experience?
because you are a fag.

I don't understand how that is related. Do need to hear the sound to understand?

>post one with every post you make
Hiro sent me to tell you your ass is banned if you don't stop conspiring to overthrow him

this, except for new ads and malwares, gookmook is a lazy ass milking this website

are you kidding? there is always at least 1 thread about this in the catalog, and it has been like this for years.

it just werx

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>doesn’t play native on iPhones
no one cares, you should not care either because you're used to not having a lot of liberty with apple products

I've thought about this before, and the only reasonable conclusion I could come to is that it's a non-technical decision.

moot/hiroshimoot doesn't want people to get into the habit of posting copyrighted content of any serious length. The general perception of a ".mp4" file is that it's a video file; the kind of format you might torrent a movie in. Meanwhile (helped along by reddit/imgur), the perception of a ".webm" file is that it's a slightly fancier gif; the kind of format you might use for short looping clips.

This allows them to make arguments to rights holders along the lines of
>look, we don't allow video formats like mp4 and avi!
>we only allow images, gifs, and "gifs with sound"

>your ass is banned

>user's ass is so big it needs range banned.

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What a garbage method for multiplication. It's not even good for teaching.

Found the shitskin subhuman.

Why no sound on other boards? I remember when webm was added I thought it was a good idea not to have sound, I think I was wrong.

That's irrelevant with filesize and length restrictions.
No one wants to post a movie 3 minutes at a time wirh a bitrate to fit 3-5MB.
Popular with normies and pajeets, also botnet.

It is somewhat interesting though. Could be worse.

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>bs
It's owned by Facebook and is a centralized, proprietary service.

nah it's just historical. we only had gifs before and the boards evolved around that. /gif/ only got sound because /gif/ only exists for porn

Why would someone use a device that can't even playback webm? This is builtin to ffmpeg, there's no reason to restrict webm and its codecs. iTards are unbelievable consumers.

see: blog.Jow Forums.org/post/81896300203/webm-support-on-Jow Forums

>cant play on iphones
I thought recent updates finally brought the webm playback to idevices, no?

>cant send through whats app
False, you can send any type of file through whats app

You fucking retard

also copyright shit was never really a concern for Jow Forums. we used to have /rs/ for fuck's sake

this website is purely for profit
expect no improvements

because VP9 was a fucking mess at the time and VP8 was BARELY standing on its own, the only reason that gigantic faggot decided to introduce it to this god forsaken place was to keep /gif/ without having to offload the entire new format to a new board and make /gif/ and /wsg/ completely obsolete. And also because that one mad cunt of a dev decided it was time for change and pushed hard for it, before he got decapitated IRL for whatever reason that was. RIP.
As for why it's not introduced now, because VP9 *STILL* sucks and the chinkmoot has no one with the balls to touch the god forsaken mess left to them, let alone build on top of it

>we only allow images, gifs, and "gifs with sound"
Yeah, no copyright lawyer/holder would fall for that shit.
Jow Forums is supposed to be an imageboard. That's why even WebM is only supported on a very basic level (only VP8, no sound besides a few selected boards).
You mentioned imgur. It's been quite a while since I last visited it, so perhaps it changed in the meantime, but back then they didn't allow WebM upload (only internal usage), because they wanted to prevent imgur from becoming a video hosting service. They had/have a very similar mindset of offering an alternative to animated GIFs and nothing more.

What exactly would they have to "build on top of it" we can make VP9 webms the same way we make VP8 webms, and both Firefox and Chrome will play them natively, all they would have to do is stop scanning for and disallowing non-VP8 streams in the WebM files on upload and it would just werk

>As for why it's not introduced now, because VP9 *STILL* sucks
True, but you don't have much of a choice when it comes to WebM. You can choose between VP8 (worse than AVC for every bitrate range), VP9 (worse than HEVC, better than AVC for low bitrates; slow to encoder because libvpx sucks) or AV1 (encoding is extremely slow and people with old hardware will have decoding performance issues).

>No volume
Wat
>can’t send through what’s app
Absolute bullshit

What the hell are you talking about? None of that has anything to do with end user's ability to view a file. Need to make a VP9 webm? Use WEBM for Retards and select the check box for it. Need to view one? Just use anything to view it with. Need to allow people access to webms while on your site? Gee, that's a fucking no brainer.

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/gif/ is mostly porn
/wsg/ also has sound, but that is probably necessary to keep music threads etc on /wsg/
those boards have higher file size limits so you can include sound without having to shorten your webms, they'd have to increase it for all boards to support sound webms site-wide
there's also the expectation of sound. i know i should expect sound on /gif/ and /wsg/, so i'll probably have headphones on while visiting them, but i dont want to have to expect sound on every other board, because if there's a sound webm and my sound is muted, im probably missing out on something

>What exactly would they have to "build on top of it"
a system to scan the content, much like the VP8 on in place
AV1 is never going to break through because GOOD LORD those encoding times
as for .webm being used instead of any other matroska format, probably because the intent was to have a specific container for web browsers so they could play them native without plugins. That fucked everyone over in the end
The point your little fucking skull seems to be having issues retaining is that you will have to DISTRIBUTE those files, not just encode them, and if there's some shit that shouldn't be there, either by VP9, webm, hosting company or browsers' standards, YOU are going to respond for it, so before you send that shit ANYWHERE near a fucking front facing cdn, you MUST fucking check that it's complaint, and until late 2018 you could easily skim around it by having webms longer than the 3 minutes limit and far in excess of 50MB (and that was caught and culled almost immediately, because holy shit)
Doing it just for VP8 was much easier (mostly because of the support provided) and was a pain in the fucking ass for VP9, so it was decided to just let VP9 go and enforce VP8 as the only format for Jow Forums.

They have higher file size limits not for the sound, but because they allow 5 min vids instead of 2 min.

Is this program the reason so many retards fuck up their webm's resolution and aspect ratio or is that another retarded webm maker? I never used it because I've never been so retarded to not be able to do it myself with just ffmpeg.

>The point your little fucking skull ...

I take it the point your making is that you don't know how to run a website like this.

Not sure, I've no clue how they end up doing that with WEBM for Retards. It is just some checkboxes, radio buttons, and stuff. You can even see the command line code it will run at the bottom. It can however, fuck up the filesize even when it is restricted to a set amount on some videos. It is odd about that and the dev is at a loss for it.

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>It can however, fuck up the filesize even when it is restricted to a set amount on some videos. It is odd about that and the dev is at a loss for it.
The bitrate controls? Yeah that just seems to be a quirk with VP8. It happens with FFmpeg and a few other encoder's I've used before like XmediaRecode.

>AV1 is never going to break through because GOOD LORD those encoding times
SVT-AV1 already makes encoding times bearable (for modern CPU at least). However, it'll never be as fast as HEVC encoding, just as HEVC encoding will never be as fast as AVC encoding.

imagine being a faggot iToddler BTFO

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>a system to scan the content, much like the VP8 on in place
Why couldn't they just whitelist VP9 using the existing system? why would they have to build from scrach. It is trivial to get the codec from a video file, it could easily be thrown into a JSON file

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>It can however, fuck up the filesize even when it is restricted to a set amount on some videos
Because libvpx is a mess. Bitrate control is broken for single pass encodes and even with 2-pass encodes libvpx forces a certain minimum quality, which can't be undershot (in contrast to e.g. x264, where you can lower the bitrate until the video gets corrupted). Also constraint quality (-crf + -b:v , is very inconsistent when it comes to hitting a certain file size, classic VBR via -b:v is better suited for that).

>all that extra unnecessary shit
What's the point?

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>Why couldn't they just whitelist VP9 using the existing system
because the existing system DOESN'T FUCKING SUPPORT VP9 *AND* doesn't take into account all the fucking features that can be used to paint the line or outright walk over it with the format.
There's one thing being "slow" and another taking THIRTY FUCKING MINUTES to encode 10 seconds of video
My fault but still, jesus h fucking christ on a bike.

being this mad that they used a well documented standard format that even w3c adopted as one of the official formats.

>paint the line or outright walk over it with the format
What?

>because the existing system DOESN'T FUCKING SUPPORT VP9
How do you know this? How exactly does it work? it isn't like Jow Forums rencodes the webms, the one you upload is the same one you download, They don't implement a custom player, what is it they are doing that is making it so impossible to support it? What webserver allows you to host webm files but not if they have a VP9 or AV1 codec in stream #0?

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It might be have something to do with the embedded content problem. Back in the day, people were embedding CP into image files and uploading them here. That caused moot to figure out a way to stop files with embedded content from being uploaded. If there's a similar anti-steganography thing for webms then that could conceivably cause all manner of problems.

Fun fact: you can still do it.

Yeah, there was a bit of an arms race back when it happened. I never kept track of it. Oddly enough, some images I upload made in MSPaint have been denied for that reason. So, there's something buggy with it. To fix, I usually have to reduce the image by 1 pixel width, so it must be a really odd bug.

No that was an easy fix they put in years before any of the webm shit. Rar and jpg headers are at opposite sides of the file so detecting an embedded rar was piss easy

It was good they killed it because the cp but I miss the threads we had trading ebooks. I still have my collection

ive always wondered if this was the preface to a gay porno

I still remember the first time I saw a webm on this platform, and it rather surreal.

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