/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>Create a parts list
pcpartpicker.com/
>Learn how to build a PC
youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g

Want help?
>State the budget & CURRENCY
>List your uses e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors include purpose & graphics pairing
>NO Speccy or "bottleneck checkers"


Secure CPUs based on current prices
>1600/1700 - for non-gaming; worse in gaming due to slower memory latency
>R3 2200G - Light 30-60fps gaming(dGPU optional)
>R5 2600/X - Good 60fps+ gaming & multithreaded work use
>R7 2700/X - Best value high-end CPU on a non-HEDT platform
>Threadripper - HEDT

RAM
>NEVER use only a single stick
>8GB - very light use, and/or if you don't mind closing programs regularly
>16GB - standard amount. If you have to ask if you need more, you don't
>CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2800MHz+ is ideal. Check "more" for true latency formula

Graphics cards based on current pricing:
>Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty
1080p
>RX 570/580 - value. May have to lower settings in some cases.
>590 - current generation games on high/maxed 60fps+; better choice if you want the included games
>1660 - current generation games on high/maxed 60fps+; much more power efficient
> 1660Ti / 1070 / Vega56 / 2060 - higher framerates
1440p (WQHD)
>590 - lower, console-equivalent settings
>1070Ti / Vega / 2070 - 60-120fps+ in most games on high/maxed
>RTX 2080 / 2080Ti - higher framerates
>Radeon VII - may be considered; needs cooler mod to run quiet
2160p (4k)
>RTX 2080 / Radeon VII - upscale or lower settings
>RTX 2080 Ti, but poor value.

Storage
>Consider a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & HDD
>M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard

Display
>Consider 75hz minimum; 60hz are old models
>PLAN BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING

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kaspersky.com/blog/35c3-spectre-meltdown-2019/25268/
thehackernews.com/2018/03/amd-processor-vulnerabilities.html
youtube.com/watch?v=pfnzHA3-MhM
pcpartpicker.com/list/BRdLQZ
samsung.com/uk/tvs/suhd-ks8000/UE55KS8000TXXU/
gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2060-6GB-vs-AMD-RX-Vega-56/4034vs3938
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Walk
pcpartpicker.com/list/ML9kMZ
hardwareluxx.de/index.php/artikel/hardware/grafikkarten/44084-amd-radeon-rx-vega-56-und-vega-64-im-undervolting-test.html
pcpartpicker.com/list/VZQrFt
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There is more to life than video games. Loosers.

Why no Intel CPUs?

Do nvme m.2 run hotter than sata m.2? Should I avoid nvme if it will be on back of mobo with little to no airflow?

Basically someone offered to sell me a lightly used 1tb Samsung nvme drive for the same price as a new 1tb 860 evo, I feel like for the same price might as well take the nvme, but I'm concerned it will run too hot.

>CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2800MHz+ is ideal.
What kind of a statement is that? Of course faster RAM is faster, the question would be when it's worth to buy.

Because Jow Forums is full of AMD shills

That being said Ryzen is better value than any of its Intel equivalents. The 9900k should be on that list for the high end, but you should only really consider it if there's no better place to allocate the money. 2700x is ~$300 while the 9900k is ~$500. If the $200 difference is better spent on the gpu, the 2700x is better value.

Ex: rtx2080+2700x>rtx2070+9900k.

ordered some parts that should be here next week, when screwing the system together do you need a demagnetised screwdriver or will any do?

Any is fine

ordered $100 worth of wrong fans from pc case gear, how fucked am i?

This is a pretty bad OP, for the following reasons:

>Secure CPUs
AMD CPUs aren't secure

>Moreover, even though earlier AMD had claimed that its CPUs were not exposed to Meltdown-class vulnerabilities, researchers discovered a variation of Meltdown (called Meltdown-BR) that was perfectly operational with AMD CPUs. So at this point, the CPUs of all three of the largest global CPU vendors — AMD, ARM, and Intel — are susceptible to both Meltdown and Spectre. Well, at least to some of the variations from both these families.
kaspersky.com/blog/35c3-spectre-meltdown-2019/25268/ - Kaspersky, one of the foremost names in security

>Moreover, researchers also claimed to have found two exploitable manufacturer backdoors inside Ryzen chipset that could allow attackers to inject malicious code inside the chip.
thehackernews.com/2018/03/amd-processor-vulnerabilities.html
Which raises the question, is OP a glowie?

No Intel CPUs are mentioned, because OP is an AMD fanbitch.

>Graphics cards
>580/590
Last gen hardware when new hardware exists, often for better price/perf and 2.5X the efficiency

1440p
>590 - lower, console-equivalent settings
Fine, but no one buys a 1440p monitor to play on Medium at sub 30FPS in new, graphically demanding games like Metro Exodus or Anthem

>1440p
The 2060 isn't even mentioned because of the 'muh VRAM' meme that's been proven false time and time again.
youtube.com/watch?v=pfnzHA3-MhM
The 1660, 1660Ti, and 2060 all provide better performance than the 590 at 1440p, so obviously the real reason the 2060 isn't mentioned is because OP is an AMD fanbitch

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I just copy pasted the previous one, blame whoever made that

$700-$1000 (is that too much for a first build)
Gaming, maybe VR
4K/HDR/5.1 Video playback (if not I'll use my TV)

Intel desu

Here's a much better OP template Obviously we have OP wars so post whatever version is best, not just the previous one

How's this?
pcpartpicker.com/list/BRdLQZ

for 1k you won't get a consistent 1440p let alone 4k
you can get a top tier 1080p120 for something like 950 but that won't be future proof at all
do you have a monitor already? post TV model

how cheap can I get an 1080 ti sh?

not him but I'd get 2700 instead of 2600x
also I'd really recommend a 600w psu

I'm not concerned with 4K gaming yet. I'll be happy with just 60fps.

TV is a 55KS8000

You'd be wrong on both counts.

>Total: 299W
520W Seasonic is more than enough.

In the US you can get them used from about $500-600 depending on the model.

DDR3 1066 RAM vs DDR3 2133 RAM?

I assume 2133 is better of course? But does it make much difference? Assuming I'm using a 6 core Xeon x5670 @ 4.4Ghz?

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well to be honest you can use that TV for videos and games but you might need to use 1080p on games.
the build above is good, maybe even future proofed a little

samsung.com/uk/tvs/suhd-ks8000/UE55KS8000TXXU/
no mention of latencies but it says it has a game mode for shitty android and console devices

I think you are good, tbqh 4k gaems is territory of dual 2080ti so it's not like anyone will ever ever max 4k144

Probably not that much but that's some slow af memory, even by dd3 standards. Nothing in between?

I had a similar jump from 1333 to 2400
I'd tell you to save for a while system remake. unless you need more memory and you will also get it, you won't feel a difference in such powerful cpu

That's the Nvidia shill op though, doesn't even mention Vega which is cheaper than the 2060 in the most of EU and gains 15% perf through oc/uv.

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>save for a while system
a whole, duck my phone keyboard

for 1k you can get a 2600/16gb/2060 or 56 build which is fine for 1440p

Oh wow Vega 56 still beats 2060 despite being cheaper

gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2060-6GB-vs-AMD-RX-Vega-56/4034vs3938

Sapphire pulse 56 is around 260-280 in the UK. If you sell the 3 games it's even cheaper, plus no 6gb cuckery

the 2060 will only do 1440p60 and if rtx is used on it, it might struggle to keep 1440p45

whats a good 8th gen i5 cpu

...

2060 still beats vega even on those games that use more than 6gb

the 9th gen

I currently have the DDR3 1066 but can get a good deal for the 2133 stuff from a friend, the same 1600 kit on ebay is 85%~ of the cost of my friends rates.
Why would I need a new system user? x5670 6 core 4.4Ghz with a GTX 2060.

get 2800mhz then

i'm building a computer for a friend, he occasionally plays games so he doesn't need anything too crazy. he has a 970 that doesn't really needed an upgrade

where I live I can get an 1070 for around 200 bucs, add another 50 bucks for an 1070 ti(about 15% performance increase) add another 50 bucks to that and you can get an 1080 (25 something performace increase vs an 1070) and if you add to all of this another 100 bucks you can get an 1080 ti(which has about 50% more performace than an 1070), guess the 1070 is the best bang foor the buck?

wtf howcome when i say desu it writes desu

does the x5670 and the mobo you use even support 2133 speed? Guess that you wanna play around with harware as the x5670 is about 50 bucks(cause you could have gotten an x5650 which is 12 bucks), if you got the money to spend go for drr 2133, the mobo should down clock it if it ain t supported otherwise get the 1066 and oc the fuck out of it

oh my bad i though that i read x5675 the 5670 is only 25 bucks

do you need that performance?
whats your resolution at

just found a deal for an 1070 ti for 200 bucks I am on it already , don t think I will get something better for that price

Buy Intel, goyim.

What CPU do i need to emulate android emulators like bluestacks at 60Fps? Money is no problem.

>Buy Intel, goyim.
Sell me on it schlomo

>What CPU do i need to emulate android emulators like bluestacks at 60Fps? Money is no problem.
Are you buying a pc just for this? Why not play on Android?

EFF PEE ESS

Apparently yes it works, although it's not officially supported. I already have the cpu, bought it dirt cheap on an evo 212 cooler and got lucky with the silicon lottery.

theres gadgets to connect your tablet to multiple devices like a keyboard and mouse
outside that, you should need a fast processor since android emulation is literally a VM running android on it

$200 US? Damn, good deal.

Windows 10 Home or Pro? Will the sandbox be available for Home?

>outside that, you should need a fast processor since android emulation is literally a VM running android on it
I don't think so. I played a game on blue stack. On my i5-4440, gtx 650.
I think all the work in blue stack is in the CPU so something cheap like a 2200g should be more than enough.
Though I did play year walk
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Walk
Which plays more like a flash game so I could be wrong.

any xeon fags itt? I wanna know which of the x5650, x5670, x5680 and w3680 clocks the best without that much problems (as I won t pay more than 50 bucks on a cpu ). Also do these cpus lack some kind of instructions?

navi and ryzen will be announced at computex apparently
so thats end of may to be prepared for a firesale of PSUs and preorders of new CPUs and GPUs

I have this case with a bottom-up fan config. I want to swap out the noisy-ass stock fans for some of the high-speed SIlentwings, but should I go for two 140mm, or three 120mm?

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it is a strix to XD

Do you vertically mount your gpu?

No I don't reddit mount my GPU.

Hi, I'm this fag:
I got a x5670 for £20 on ebay, overclocked it to 4.4Ghz stable (lucky with the silicon, most get 4.2Ghz stable). All these CPUs are the same silicon if you are overclocking. If you are not, then get the x5680 or w3680, whichever is cheapest. They run fine on stock coolers.

what have you done with that poor CPU cooler?
why is that GPU choking on the PSU?
why are the fans choked by a bunch of PSU wires
is this bondage for tecnophiles?

find out the CFM of those fans and do the math. fan CFM changes wildly, for instance RGB fans usually have 1/3 to 1/5 the potency of a usual fan

look for noctua fans too, i had issues finding competitor for them.

it actually ruins the bearings on the fans and if you dont have a good mounting system the case will choke it
i considered it, then disregarded it

What are you using it for? Unless you're gonna be doing tens of GB transfers very often, it'll be fine mo

*it'll be fine most likely

don't actually do this guise xDDDD

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kek

It's a stock image dingus, couldn't be bothered to open mine up.
Though yes, the case does feel like a gimp suit on the inside.

I took a look at the CFM too but it's also the noise ratio between the two options I'm considering.

"Allocation" doesn't mean requires. Games will often or reserve as much VRAM as they can. As the other poster pointed out, the 2060 is still faster in those particular games that allocate more than 6GB.

Additionally, an undervolt isn't guaranteed, and I doubt your claim that Vega is cheaper than the 2060 uniformly, or "all" across Europe. It certainly isn't in the US, which is where the majority of posters originate from.

I have a question do the 1080 and 1070 ti work with the "freesync" now?

>Oh wow Vega 56 still beats 2060 despite being cheaper
It doesn't, read your own link, retard. Even on that terrible site, the 2060 is 8% ahead in games.

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What do you all think is a reasonable for a 2060, 2070, and 2080?

I'm looking at sales and want to know what price would actually be good for the performance gain. I use a 1060 6GB but I've got a 1440p monitor now and like playing VR so an upgrade is becoming necessary.

Yes

If you're looking at straight price/perf, you can calculate it from the above chart at whatever price you're looking at, or come up with theoretical prices if you understand basic math

Is there any noticeable performance difference between a strix 1070 ti and an strix 1080?

The 1080 uses less power, has more OC headroom

>stock 56
Literally nobody does that. Add 15% by using the 1-click auto undervolt.

God damn seething lmao

>Add 15% by using the 1-click auto undervolt.
You are literally retarded. The only way you're adding 15% is by an OVERCLOCK, not an undervolt. Neither OC or UV happens on all chips because of the silicon lottery

stop pulling numbers out of your ass

God damn you're a brainlet lol

pcpartpicker.com/list/ML9kMZ

Gaming on a 1.4k budget, I know I should probably get a 2060 at the least but I intend to do 1080p gaming for now and the future, and I can upgrade my graphics card/sell my 1660ti later. Is this a decent build, or what should I change/replace?

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At least I'm secure, shintel

Wrong on all counts. Undervolt alone adds a shitload extra performance because it allows the card to sustain ~1600mhz boost which is impossible at the overkill default voltages.
There isn't a single Vega 56 that cant do a -150mV undervolt, the vast majority can do -200mV. AMD even added the option into their drivers.

>because it allows the card to sustain ~1600mhz boost which is impossible at the overkill default voltages
False, even reference blower cards can maintain boost clocks, shithead. That's why they're called REFERENCE

>There isn't a single Vega 56
False, go shill somewhere else

So...Intel/Amd wars aside which cpu is best for 1440p gaming? will be pairing it up with a 1080ti

You're not though, brainlet. First because you've got an AMD CPU and second because your PC is connected to the internet

Imagine being this much of a brainlet

Imagine seething this hard over your swiss cheese CPU.

hardwareluxx.de/index.php/artikel/hardware/grafikkarten/44084-amd-radeon-rx-vega-56-und-vega-64-im-undervolting-test.html

My pick would be R5 2600X, if you want to go higher get the i7 8700K

9900K

9700k

>seething
Yeah I know, I'm seething as I verbally rape you. Cope more

Waiting for my radeon vii and 4k 144hz freesync lads, so hyped

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>That's why they're called REFERENCE
lol what the fuck. That refers to the card PCB design you dense shit.
Find me PROOF of a card that can't undervolt.
Go on.

You'd have no trouble finding a hole to rape in your Intel CPU, friend.
No cope required ;)

pcpartpicker.com/list/VZQrFt
got you that RTX2060

>4k
>144hz
You've gotta be playing some potato looking games to get the advantage of both

Is zotac a reliable brand? I've never really heard much in the way of good stuff about them to be honest. A little leery of buying from them.

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