Blu-ray 128GB

You can get a 1TB MicroSD now.

It doesn't mean anything. I can get a 10TB HDD right now

An HDD is an inherently experience device since it uses machined metal, precision mechanisms and pcbs

Compared to them flash and optical cost fucking nothing to produce, flash is expensive because its what the people are ready to pay for it and optical is expensive because the demand is low.

They should just revert back to cartridges or something similar usind the cheapest flash available and blocking the ability to rewrite or something.

Not the better but the cheapest which is what makes it good.

Do people still use DVD/Bluray drives in their PCs? Most PC cases you buy now don't even have the slots anymore.

>Not the better
Not the best*
Fuck autocorrect sure is annoying.

BDs are still great for consumptive media (movies, games), but pretty unfeasable for private use.

You do realize flash is not meant for any sort of long term storage right?

And what are you going to do about electrons escaping? You need to keep that flash powered to not lose any data longterm.

Aren't micro sds worse for long term storage though? I thought that was the only reason to use discs nowadays

Microsd/flash is physical media, though...

Anyone know of MicroSD wallet cases like with optical media? I had several of those zipper wallets for storing 250 or even 500 discs, I wonder if there's anything similar for MicroSD. I'd probably purchase about 5 128GB cards a week to archive my data and I can't just litter them around.

flash media in general is bad for long term storage if you don't intend to power it on frequently. it can result in data loss if left unused for long periods of time. that's why people still use hard drives and tapes.

You must confuse flash with ram.
Flash is based around phase change rather than electric charge somewhat like optical media.

Flash isn't a capcitor memory.

>HDD
>flash

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>flash degrades with time

You people do realize it is possible to manufacture permanent transistor memory?
Like printing a chip with all memomry that cant change state whatsoever, just comes off the press with all the permanent logic gates and no state change possible?

In fact that would be a lot simpler and cheaper thsn Flash that can change states.

With modern technology that would be the best possible permanent physical media.

I don't want to hear discs spinning anymore.

MicroSDs are actually used as portable media though. I've yet to see a game on sale as a physical copy on a HDD.

Neither NAND or optical discs are long term storage.
Self burned discs go bad after a few years.

When I built my PC I specifically got a case with 5.25" slots because I planned on buying a UHD blu-ray drive to rip UHD blu-rays I planned on buying. Once I started looking at blu-ray drives and read up on the DRM used, I dropped the idea hard and currently refuse to purchase movies, I only pirate, in protest. So yeah, I would have one, and I would buy physical media, but jews decided to jew.

Flash is more stable than CDs and HDDs are over time.

You can but it's too expensive.

Sony moving to 4k and 8k Blu-Ray
Was in the global road map for FY18-19 when I was employed

Let's say I want to take data protection seriously, and in addition to automatically maintained onsite and offsite backups, I periodically want to create archives of data that I never want to lose, like family photos, and keep a copy in a safe in my home and a copy in a safety deposit box somewhere else. What media should I use to create them?

My translucent M-Disc optical media good for 1,000 fuckin' years disagrees with your assessment of things.

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Are you retarded? flash has been used for console games for decades and no one ever complains of losing a cartridge

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You're literally wrong and retarded. Flash storage literally leaks electrons when left unpowered. But optical media is good for decades if stored properly.

I haven't seen a single company make ROM that's larger than 16MB. Everything uses Flash these days, even those game cartridges for consoles.

>someone wants to see your porn collection 100 years from now

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You mean great for sucking jew dick?

>he doesn't know about MakeMKV direct-read

AACS is dead homie, I've got 6TB of Blu-ray ripped to my NAS as of two weeks ago

Lemme gues...
80GB+ 10-bit rips?

Just use a HDD lol

yeah...most of them are 4K

>6TB of

The average is 128MB currently.

I don't watch animu

once I run them through ffmpeg they'll be tiny

>they'll be tiny

What is tiny for you? 20+GB each?

thereabouts, yeah

Is it? I know standard Blu-Ray has been, which is why I initially planned on buying in, but when I looked into 4k UHD, and I've checked back a few times, cracking it was a pretty big clusterfuck.

Why?

Too bad there won't be a single working m-disc reader in 50 years.
but at least you'll know your data is safe and secure inside a disc nothing can read

Not that user but there will probably be working DVD players in 50 years.
If you really wanted you could extract the signal with a laser and run it through a program that decodes the information. It'd take some work, but it wouldn't be extremely difficult for a single person to do.

I'm not really sure since I have never even heard of 128GB Blu-Ray discs. I just know I can get a 1TB hard drive for about $50.00 and I can use it over and over again for many years. So for me personally, any format on a disc was dead to me once high-speed bandwidth was widely available and affordable.

Not that this technology doesn't have any use. It's just not useful to me.

I just bought a 12TB for the same price I bought a 2TB nine years ago. They somehow keep getting away with stuffing more bits on platters, and once HAMR kicks in we're going to see some serious shit.

So what if it isn't? If rewritable optical media I want a mass storage system to replace it for long-term storage.

So what if it isn't? If rewritable optical media is obsolete I want a mass storage system to replace it for long-term storage.

Basically turned into a meme but got revived as archival storage with write once blu-ray m-discs. Even then only for last-resort form of backups where data is mission critical able to withstand EMP attacks.

For the average joe weekly/monthly cloud/external HDD backups are more than enough especially if you backup to 2 or more clouds/external hdds.

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What is the best way to store DVDs in a long term scenario?

15TB of data. Would take 300 50GB discs. A Blu-ray burner and the discs would cost way more than a pair of 8TB drives.

Then you got the time factor; constantly babysitting it inserting a new disc when your backup application prompted you to.

Cheaper to just use HDD or hell build a few low powered freenas servers and replicate your data between them all. With freenas you get a double benefit; botrot protection and drive failure protection.

low humidity, room temperature, away from any light source. Though oxygen in the air could still cause disc rot. There are archival versions of DVDs that require a special writer to use them but I think they still contain an organic layer that can still rot under sunlight/humidity.

in a basement that won't get flooded or have high humidity levels also keep them in cases and store the lot in taped up boxes.

Blu-rays hit 500GB way before microSD.
trustedreviews.com/news/pioneer-produces-500gb-blu-ray-disc-2732919

And I don't know why they never hit the market even when it was a logical step after 4K. And considering that 8K is next to close, bigger capacity Blu-rays makes sense.

BD beats HDD in longevity. It's an ideal archival medium.

>there will be working DVD players in 50 years
That is highly unlikely.
10 years sure
20 years sure but very expensive
30 years yeah you'll still be able to find a few somewhere but it will cost you an arm and a leg
40 years even you're gonna have to do a ton of leg work just to be able to find one and will likely not be working anymore
50 years outside of museums there won't be any

Source?

amazon.co.jp/dp/B07J6MQ137

pack of 5 will run you ~$45.

what the fuck are you even rambling about
console carts are universally ROM based

spoken like a true retard who never leaves ebay or their basement

Spoken like a true 20-25y zoomer that doesn't understand 50 years is a long time and that hardware breaks.

Yeah, we use a DVD player at work and it randomly died on us the other day half-way through the day after it had already been used twice that day. Randomly just died.

We had a backup on hand to swap it out, but still, you shouldn't just expect DVD players to be around for more than another decade or two really.

I worked in the antique business for years and own quite a few tube/discrete transistor radios and televisions, working 50+ year old consumer electronics are not very difficult to find at all and while a lot of it broke the shit was made in the fucking millions. No shitty cheap DVD player is getting its own museum exhibit any time soon, especially with modern surface-mount components that rarely expire unless you treat your stuff like garbage.

The only people who think old consumer AV shit is hard to find are casuals who don't know what they're doing.

The ones left will be using SATA to connect to computers
Which will likely no longer be the standard either in 50years.
So your only bet of a working DVD reader will be an external USB one, and good luck getting it to work without drivers
People really don't understand that 50 years is a long fucking time

Just like you also don't understand that electronics can be repaired, maintained and treated properly, or better yet, just not used at all, which many DVD players likely will not be.

>comparing tech from 50y ago with current tech
>comparing AV equipment with computers in general
You're a lot more stupid than I thought. You do realize that nothing is built to last anymore right? Those old TVs were, modern TVs aren't. The same goes for every single consumer equipment out there.

So you're storing DVD drives waiting to use them in the future?
You can't repair something without the parts to repair it and the type of retard who is using DVDs for storage likely don't have the skills to repair anything

Modern technology actually is far more reliable than what we had 50 years ago even if the engineers don't give as much of a shit about making it look or feel nice, you'd probably know this if you ever had any experience with it beyond the rose-tinted bullshit your baby boomer relatives ramble about at thanksgiving.
Have you never been in a thread about optical media full of retards bragging about how they have literally never once used the optical drive in their computer? Same thing goes for a lot of home AV gear in the Netflix age.
>You can't repair something without the parts to repair it
What an astute observation, someone get this guy a fucking medal for this moment of clarity.
>the type of retard who is using DVDs for storage likely don't have the skills to repair anything
This has nothing to do with whether or not they can actually be repaired.

>Modern technology actually is far more reliable than what we had 50 years ago

Source?

The simple reality that discrete components provide more failure points, metal chassis are more vulnerable to rust and other forms of damage than PCBs, discrete transistors and tubes ran hotter and failed faster, cables were sheathed in shitty rubber/plastic that deteriorated quickly, wax capacitors were fucking garbage, far more moving/detachable parts, etc. They may have given a better attempt at building things to last, but that doesn't mean they actually succeeded. Modern integrated circuits run cooler and more efficiently and have basically zero chance of failure under standard operating conditions in a properly designed system.

I don't have any cool infographics from Reddit to illustrate this, but looking at stories of early computers and their horrifying MBTFs is always a good way to see how shit things really were when you take the nostalgia goggles off. None of this really has to do with the core of my original point though, which was that if you can still find hardware with that kind of terrible reliability record that still runs today thanks to proper care or preservation, you're probably not going to have a hard time finding hardware from now 50 years in the future where it stands an even better chance of surviving for decades on end.

I typed in "microsd card holder" at Amazon and got a bunch of stuff you could use.

Then turn it off?

then he'd go from having a minor nuisance every so often to something that's literally unusable

Vinyls were created in late 1800s yet we still have new machines that can play them. Am I sure we will have some devices that could play CDs/DVDs/Blu-rays in the next 50 years.

>They may have given a better attempt at building things to last
>I don't have any cool infographics
>nostalgia goggles
>you're probably not

So you don't have shit.

to save storage you fucking braindead nigger. why do you ask such retarded questions?!

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you can get usb 3.0 external bluray drives. there is going to be an adapter for such a widely used connector for sure even in 50 years. vga is the beat example for that

what?
Nintendo has used NAND chips in their cartridges as far back as the original DS.

hell, even the Playstation 1 used flash to store savegames.

Look around your house, old USB sticks from ~2000 that you haven't touched in 10+ years work fine.

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NAND or NOR?

"but will le drive for le reading this be available 100 years from now? xd"
EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Damn!

The answer is YES, it WILL. If there is ONE thing nothing has come close to beating optical media is future proofing and guaranteeing accessibility.
A CD from 1986 or a DVD from 2000 are perfectly accessible for a drive made in 2019.

To this day, the Chinese still manufacture extremely cheap 3.5" floppy drives and disks. Making a DVD burner is trivial, and millions are still being made every year.

DVDs aren't a strange obscure format like a myriad of old tape standards, it's extremely widespread and known. So YES, considering other technologies, and that MDISC can be read on normal DVD drives, and how manufacturing works, then YES, DVD drives will available 50 years from now and you are guaranteed to have services that can recover data from DVDs even 100 years from now and beyond.

It is the objectively correct and most rational answer considering all data.

Bullshit nigga, cartridges use MROM not regular writeable flash memory. If it did, almost every cart made would be dead or corrupted by now.

And PS1 memory cards used EEPROM.