Want help? >State the budget & CURRENCY >List your uses e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors include purpose & graphics pairing >NO Speccy or "bottleneck checkers"
CPUs based on current pricing: >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS) >R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming >R5 2600/X - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs >i7 8700/K or i7 9700K - Extreme setup for absolute max FPS >R7 2700/X - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing
RAM: >Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended >CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000CL15 or 3200CL16 is ideal >AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
Graphics cards based on current pricing: >Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty 1080p >RX 570 8GB - good performance with great value >GTX 1660 - standard >RTX 2060 - very high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor) 1440p >RTX 2060 - standard >RTX 2080 - very high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor) 2160p (4K) >RTX 2080 - standard >RTX 2080Ti - better fit for 4K but expensive
The ryzen 5 2600 stock cooler looks like this when I cleaned it's pre applied thermal paste off so I can add some arctic silver. Temps are running at 40'C when the computer is doing nothing. Is this normal for a amd cpu? You can see a line in the picture and it didn't feel flat and smooth
so the xfx rx470 i was talking about in last thread is from a friend of mine and hasnt been mined (65 burgers). i really dont care about the free games from rx 570s, should i pull the trigger on my friends card?
Camden Cooper
this. you'll see a 20 degree difference between the stock cooler and the 212 if you overclock it
Justin Powell
if this is for gaming, You will see identical performance in games between the 2600x and the 2700x. I would definetely get a cpu cooler so you can overclock and do tasks under load without overheating. im not getting a price on the motherboard so I assume you have it already. 3000 cas 15 is actually slightky faster than 3200 cas 16 so I would get 3k 15 (which is cheaper too). I'd get the 500 GB nvme ssd from wd since it bigger for not alot morw money. You can get a more powerful 2070 for around the same price. I would get a case with better airflow at that price. finally, you can get a bigger 75hz monitor for just a bit more so I would do that instead. pcpartpicker.com/list/4DJzD2
David Nguyen
Get a better motherboard, like an Asrock B450M Steel Legend. I don't think the VRM of the Pro-VDH can handle a 2700X. IIRC, it's rated only for 65W chips.
Replace the 970 Evo with an 860 Evo 1TB. You will not notice any speed difference and you'll get more capacity for a similar price.
Get a monitor with Freesync. Thank me later.
Change the PSU to a more powerful 650W and go to a Gold rating.
Owen Smith
lmao@anyone buying ryzen, let alone ryzen now. Should wait to see how shit Zen 2 will be before you buy anything.
How retarded am I for wanting this, instead of 4 regular monitors or 2 ultrawide monitors.
Hunter Garcia
user who wanted the 750ti, I'll sell you mine. Let me know, dawg.
Eli Thompson
I don't have any statistics to back it up but it was like the price/GB had been nearly static for years, until a few months ago
Colton Turner
I'm feeling impatient and my local microcenter has all the parts I need to build a computer--minus the case I want
If I build my PC and have it running for like 4 days tops without a case (on a glass table) will it be alright? Not doing watercooling or overclocking or anything, this is also babys first build
>love this timeline of $600 midrange cards from Nvidia lol
Yes, you'll be fine as long as you avoid static shocking it. Just building it inside of a cardboard box is fine.
Uhh not true at all. They dropped from like $350 for 1tb to around $250 in late 2016. Then steadily dropped under $200. Only suddenly hitting more around $100 for 1Tb because of QLC which is lower endurance an slower latency and really only really appropriate for a secondary drive (or used with StoreMi) but others have dropped steadily besides those being cheap.
Connor Martinez
Keep any animals away from it and try to minimize dust and it'll be fine.
Landon Myers
Is overclocking worth the risk?
Isaiah Murphy
What risk?
Kevin Gray
I have an i5-2500k right now, and they're about $50 used on ebay. The i7-2600k is about $100 used on ebay. Should I wait until the i7-2600k drops below $75 to upgrade? I don't really have any pertinent reason to upgrade I just want to be a little bit faster in video encoding, also the extra threads and HT would be nice.
Hudson James
depends on cpu, mostly going forward I'd say no. setting good memory timings and ocing it a bit is the most
example. 9900k already pushed to almost limit. barely anything left to oc ryzen 2600x/2700x not worth it. 2600 maybe/2700 more so.
Luke Hernandez
why dont u just get a new poozen with max cores and threads, especially when zen2 comes out if that's the case before your mobo shits out and buying outdated cpus to boot too...
dude I paid $270 for a new 1070ti here; the 2060 goes for $500 and the 1070ti went for $630 before it was discontinued keep coping
Michael Collins
What about the gpu? Wear
Aaron King
1070 doesn't support freesync over hdmi right?
i just came back home from university after literally 6 or so months away to find someone has thrown out my monitor box which contained everything from my monitor stand and my monitor brackets as well as a bunch of tools and other small accessories like spare cables and stuff. i'm convinced my display port cable is somehow faulty because adaptive sync isn't working properly on my monitor yet the people who did that reddit checklist thing has listings of people using the same monitor and it working fine. i had a spare dp cable in that box (a nice high quality one) and it's now in the hands of some hobo somewhere. i'm pissed. i just want to have a tear free gaymen experience.
Blake Anderson
need displayport
Christopher White
Not an issue since good miners underclock and/or undervolt as well as good ventilation
Nathan Scott
old hyperthreaded CPUs aren't worth it anymore since security updates weakened hyperthreading a lot and especially nerfed the performance of pre-Skylake CPUs all around.
People still paying $100 for 2600ks are just delusional, tech illiterate retards.
Don't all of them only support it over displayport?
Asher Garcia
>Wear Not going to be significant unless you're pinning it at 100% of OC for extended (12+ hours) periods of time
Oliver Collins
>implying everyone is a good miner
will still be fine unless it's running hot
Henry Lee
>Don't all of them only support it over displayport? yeah but my monitor isnt working with adaptive sync for whatever reason and i've tried literally everything from different ports, clean driver installs, different settings on monitor, different settings in nvidia control panel yet it still doesn't work and i get tearing. the only thing left to test is new cables because when i bought this monitor it came with two completely different cables and i used the cheaper looking amazon basics tier looking one since i didn't really consider cable quality as nvidia didn't support freesync at that time. only now do i realize maybe i fucked up and should have used the higher quality cable it came with. i've read online you can get low quality cables with bad internal connectors which effect bandwidth for stuff like freesync.
Michael Carter
>Wear unless u run retard volts and suicide ruins u should be fine. the problem is the time to stress test it AND If its even worth it in the end. considering thermals and noise levels too.
>What about the gpu? I think u see some decent gains
Chase Ross
Are those updates operating system dependent or microcode updates? It still outperforms Ryzen 3 2200G for the same price.
Wyatt Parker
does your monitor have drivers?
Parker Myers
>implying you know anything about mining Just shut the fuck up already, dumb ass.
Connor Diaz
nope i've checked that as well. even tried to make sure i have the same firmware version as other people. what's weird is the gsync pendulum demo works like i can switch between no sync and gsync and see the smoothness clearly yet when i'm in game (specifically bf1 and pubg) i get tearing from the middle to the bottom half of the screen. i'm convinced it's a cable issue probably relating to poor connectors and bandwidth. i guess i'm gonna have to shell out like 20 on a new high quality cable now.
Connor Hill
Windows pushed microcode updates through OS updates to Intel CPUs because Intel was refusing to push security updates to older CPUs.
And those fixes affect the pre-Skylake CPUs a lot worse. Skylake already had some hardening against the potential threat of Spectre type vulnerabilities, just not enough. People with 4790ks were losing around 15% performance in gaming (reddit tests, since no people who are "tech analysts" for a living have done the tests) compared to the 3-5% of Skylake and later. I'd figure the weaker the CPU, the worse it is. Subjectively, a lot of my friends with 4670k, 4790k, etc, really felt the loss in performance and could see the jump in their background CPU usage %.
So yeah. 2600k and 3770k are absolutely not worth getting anymore now that DDR4 has come down in price. It's just a complete waste with how overpriced/overvalued they are. The 4790k is borderline.
Luis Jones
>he knows every miner on earth and can prove they're good miners go on
Kayden Gutierrez
Let's say that I have 100€ to spend for a Top-Tiier CPU cooler for my Ryzen 5 2600. It is overclocked to 4.0 ghz and can draw up to 120-130W at 100% load. What air cooler should I get if noise, heatsink size and temperatures sub 70C are my only concerns? Should I consider an AIO? Should I consider an AIO?
for that price you could get a D15 and no you shouldnt consider AIO
Brayden Cooper
yes even more so, you get less from ocing a ryzen than intel for all core.
just get a 2600x/2700x and run stock
Dylan Long
Do your FUCKING JOB mods, you fucking worthless sacks of shit. The anti-Semitism in these threads is getting out of control.
Elijah Lewis
>:-) >you could get a D15 What about the 100€ Noctua U12A (pic related) there's only a 12€ price difference between the D15 and U12-A. The u12-a is a lot more aesthetic.
If you care so much about aesthetics just go full chromax
Alexander Hernandez
if u need the extra clearance or whatever sure. havent checked all tests to see if its actually better than a d15 tho. on par I think
Benjamin Powell
Does memory not connect at all with heatsink on this card? It sure looks like it, but "review" claims otherwise. Is the reviewer just a shilling, lying piece of shit Jow Forums ? >A pair of XFX's 8mm composite heat pipes carries the thermal load from the GPU, VRM, and GDDR5 memory to the large fin array.
Oh, and for additional laughs: >Peeling the heat sink package off the card shows just how much space is occupied by the new composite heat pipe-based cooling solution. It virtually fills the whole of the fan shroud .
A 212 is badass it keeps my 8700 icy cool. Fuck these bigass tower coolers unless you're overclocking.
Christian Robinson
Uhh yeah. 2600X and 2700X you just turn on PBO and you get the same/better results as you'd generally get from overclocking.
They're the best options for someone who doesn't want to OC.
Aye. Pretty youch that you weren't protected ages ago automatically, though.
One of those large square Scythe 120mm coolers and replace the fans with Arctic 120mm PWM. 95% performance and quiet of a D15 for half the cost. Cheaper than that U12A and better.
Nicholas Cooper
What GPU won't be bottlenecked by my i7-4790k? Currently have a GTX 680 and am ready to upgrade.
Andrew James
>havent checked all tests to see if its actually better than a d15 tho. on par I think It's worse. Not bad, but worse than the D15.
i lost the silicon lottery on my haswell i5 and it requires a lot of juice just for a mediocre OC yet under gaming loads my 212 is still keeping it nice and cool with decent RPM and is barely audible.
Michael Rivera
less fins and smaller fans.. yup newer fans cant compensate
Hunter Long
>60-70C club yikes. I'm barely above ambient here.
>Cheaper than that U12A and better. That sounds good but I'm gonna try to sell my current Noctua cooler and get a U12A just for testin. if it performs well, I'll keep it. If it doesn't., I can just return it. and go for your Scythe suggetion. Thanks, user!
>buying all these coolers just get a D15 if u want the best air cooler or dark rock pro 4 if u dont like brown
Wyatt Flores
>8 months used >$600 nope, they were selling them for that brand new ffs
Hunter Foster
nigger, are YOU selling that GPU?
if not, you have no fucking clue.
Logan Watson
>buying used electronics >gpus espec ISHYGDDT
Hunter Cruz
bought a 290X during mining crisis. get fucked, son. these days after mining crash i would be really sceptical
Benjamin Hill
ahem, installing the threadripper on windows 7
Jacob Hall
why though
Jeremiah Murphy
enjoy trash thread-management
Charles Nelson
I want to build some cheapo PCs that can run fortnite, as I run some tournaments (LoL and CS 1.6/GO too). I see that I can get on buy now rx 580 on eBay, and also some 570 for 100€, so I guess I will go with the 570. I live in Europe, so I don't see much prebuilts i5 4th gen for those 150€ on eBay. Can only buy from AliExpress and eBay, no local stores or whatever like Cex. A friend will sell this to me es.pcpartpicker.com/list/z47rFt but I will probably need to build more like this (old i5/xeon + 470/480/570/580 as they are cheap right now, and DDR3 is like 1~3€ per GB). Most parts are just there to fill the gap, as he has similar ones. The mobo and GPU are the correct ones, the CPU and CPU cooler is what I alreayd have (the CPU is a X5675, it goes up to 4,4GHz at 1,4v, kinda hot and high, but it werks). I alreayd tested the system a little, but I didn't have time to test dual vs triple channel. So yeah, does paying 350€ for that seem fair?
That would be one build, and then I'd try to get off eBay those i5 prebuilt stuff for like 170€ with shipping, that most are i5 2400/3470, 4 or 8GB of RAM, 450 or more PSU, case, CPU cooler and sometimes it includes a 250/430/500/1000GB HDD, so I'd have to add a 100€ rx570 and a 20€ SSD, so I'd be spending like 300~350€ per gayman machine that will play anything at medium/high at 1080.
Any tips I should be considering? Maybe getting better PSUs, I guess, but there aren't a lot of cheap and reliable PSUs out there, they start at like 50€ here. Any help is appreciated.
Kayden Gutierrez
Ryzen 2400G
Matthew Kelly
you cant fix stock coolers just get a AiO to compensate your fuckup you misapplied thermal paste. thats why your temps are worse
google ITX GPU. tecnically what you want can be done with a 1060 but you might be willing for extra processing if you want to reach them amazing 240fps
dont be dumb it came with a noise reducer link it will run a little hot but it should be noticeably more silent
Eli Williams
>CPU 120€ at the lowest price here >MOBO 65€ >RAM 100€ It would end in a little over 500€, after adding the other components. That's why I'm looking for prebuilt shit being sold on eBay, as it would be cheaper and give a similar performance in games. With the difference in price I can add the GPU, and the RAM, SSD, case and PSU (if needed) would add 100~150€ at most. So yeah, 500€ vs 350€, and I have to get some like those. Yeah, it might be future-proof, but I would just add a few PCs in like 4 years or so, with current stuff, that will be cheap by then.
i'd take this over everything you mentioned any day of the week, plus you get warranty and better re-sell value.
Jordan Rivera
thats pretty good, only 20 over his budget since he still needs to pay for the GPU
could buy a aftermarket cooler later anyway, id only complain of the case thats very smol and may not have good airflow
Cooper Mitchell
whare is the 570? That adds 100€ And yeah, I won't build a PC to play at a 750ti level (or worse). Also, Some games like Anthem already eat more than 8GB of RAM. Anyways, I won't buy this stuff now, I have to go to a meeting with other people and we will decide what to buy tomorrow. I made a list with new stuff just in case es.pcpartpicker.com/list/wdpjFt I'd get the SSD from AliExpress for 20~30€. I will vote for the old second hand stuff, but if the people decide to spend a little extra, then whatever. Maybe I will get only just like 2 systems running the iGPu and one or two with a 570.
Oh, also, I'd use these PCs at tournaments and such, so the fans (if there are any, I'd get some from Ali) would be runnign at 80~100% speed since it should matter much if they are noisy since they would be in an open area or big rooms. The 570 is much better than the iGPU on a 2400. I alreayd got a few PCs that are better than a 750ti and on some cases they can't get high settings on 1080 (1050ti, 1060, HD7970, 570, another 1060 and a 580, all with i5s or better).
Samuel Johnson
>The 570 is much better than the iGPU on a 2400. no fucking shit, sherlock.
next time dont only list games that run on a toaster when you want to play other shit aswell
Michael Foster
ali expresss might not just chink you, it will also take 2 months+ to arrive
get the non G version of that processor, will save you some money. then you need a 1060 to play anthem at 1080p according to their website, you gonna need better GPU or compromise graphics
Eli Nguyen
Doesn't matter when the shit 4 thread CPU is going to bottleneck the RX570. A 2500k will bottleneck a 570 and the Xeons you're talking about getting, since as you mentioned later generations are too expensive in your country, are worse.
And why does it matter that the 570 is better when you're going to be playing on a poorfag secondhand 60hz monitor and playing games the iGPU run at 60fps? lmao
