I've started using emacs with Evil installed. Its interesting.
>Evil Mode Evil mode doesn't work 100% of the time. I don't care what the git repo says its goal is. You can get into positions where evil cannot help you escape. Like if you accidentally :bn into one of those dialog buffers, you can't use : to get to a prompt. Its not all the time or consistent which is even more frustrating, but things will just happen where you just have to C-g your way out. Which is fine but its not what evil mode promised. if you use : to type in a command and hit it again the previous prompt comes up, which is fine but if I want to edit the command and run it I can't just hit backspace or add to it with hyphen because it just deletes what I had, which is dumb.
>Negatives Also the use of the alt-key is conflicting with my DWM install Packages are weird. I find it baffling that base install of emacs contains tetris, but not a spell checker. Why is everything a package? vim had whitespace highlighting out of the box. Tabs are weird, in vim I had my own personal config for every type of file i work with, and repo specific configs for projects I contribute to with diffrent rules to mine. If anyone is an emacs tab master please stand up. Getting back to where i was in vim configuration is taking time. I had a lot of keys configured to do things like build latex and display latex. Jesus christ emacs loads slowly. When I'm having to consiously stop my self from trying to start typing until emacs finishes its a problem. I know its a half second at a time but vim booted up instantly. AND I'm Using emacs in the terminal, no excuse. And the highlighting for things like spelling and whitespace tend to not work until the cursor goes over the text in question. Who knows why, vim didnt.
>Positives Indentation actually works on html, which I don't usually look at but its nice. I haven't noticed the syntax highlighting lagging yet. ( Vim would do that on large files ) Completion Engine seems to work really well. I haven't used it on a project yet (only .emacs editing). However, if it works even half as well as it does with elisp on cpp/rust/java then it will be working better than any autocomplete I've gotten working on Vim in 10 years. The git integration with powerline is pretty neat and magit is great.
Overall positive experience thou I guess.
Emacs thread
Parker Robinson
Fucked up that the chain around her waist is the key combinations used to close a file
Julian Moore
7/10 i dont think the logo is real though
Hunter Lee
>Tabs are weird, in vim I had my own personal config for every type of file i work with, and repo specific configs for projects I contribute to with diffrent rules to mine. If anyone is an emacs tab master please stand up. You need to read about buffers and windows.
>Jesus christ emacs loads slowly. When I'm having to consiously stop my self from trying to start typing until emacs finishes its a problem. I know its a half second at a time but vim booted up instantly. AND I'm Using emacs in the terminal, no excuse. Then look for configuration options like use-package that will load packages only on demand. There are other ways. too.
Jacob Scott
>You need to read about buffers and windows. Will do, the little i read said that it was complicated.
>Then look for configuration options like use-package that will load packages only on demand. There are other ways. too. This is with just evil, although it may have gotten slower with the addition of auto-complete. idk any slower than vim-instant is noticably slower.
Parker Sullivan
I am making a quick cheatsheet maybe this will help
# Open (or create) file C-x C-f
# Select buffer or open scratch buffer C-x b # Can be marked for deletion d # Can be unmarked u # To save changes x
# Browse buffers C-x v
# Undo changes C-x u
# Save changes C-x C-s
# Kill current buffer (without saving) C-x k
# Close read only buffer q
# Create a second window (horizontal split) C-x 2
# Create a second window (vertical split) C-x 3
# Keep 1 window, close the rest (but keep buffers) C-x 1
# Close current window C-x 0
# Got to next buffer C-x o
# Display the content of the same buffer in two windows C-x 3 M-x follow-mode
# Show whitespace M-x whitespace-mode
I'll probably remap some stuff, I can use evil or viper keys anyway.
Kevin Diaz
I know how to do all of that in vim and with evil. and I have whitespace on by default because errant whitespace offends my autism.
although follow-mode sounds interesting.
John Allen
Have you installed the cutest Emacs distribution yet?
>worf >"A warrior does not press so many keys! (in org-mode)"
Chase Rogers
>Evil mode doesn't work 100% of the time. I don't care what the git repo says its goal is. You can get into positions where evil cannot help you escape. Like if you accidentally :bn into one of those dialog buffers, you can't use : to get to a prompt. github.com/syl20bnr/evil-escape github.com/emacs-evil/evil-collection Will help make evil mode a lot more consistent.
>Tabs are weird, in vim I had my own personal config for every type of file i work with, and repo specific configs for projects I contribute to with diffrent rules to mine. github.com/editorconfig/editorconfig-emacs
>Jesus christ emacs loads slowly. Startup time will never be instant like vim, but there are things you can do to speed it up. To use as an example, try setting the GC value in your config, and use-package has ways to lazy load packages. github.com/snackon/Witchmacs/blob/master/init.el You can also run emacs in daemon mode and bypass this alltogether, but some people dislike that idea.
I'd reccommend looking at doom-emacs for a "just werks" pre-install, it's similar to spacemacs but isn't nearly as bloated and starts up in less than a second. Even if you don't wind up keeping it, there's a lot you can use for inspiration for your own configuration here. github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs/tree/develop
>Will help make evil mode a lot more consistent. Thanks, if these work they will be very helpful. I'll look into theconfig thing too.
>daemon mode wat?
Cameron Brooks
>Also the use of the alt-key is conflicting with my DWM install Not sure how to help there, but suckless would probably screech at you for using Emacs anyway. >I find it baffling that base install of emacs contains tetris, but not a spell checker. Why is everything a package? Modularity. Emacs is designed to be as extensible as possible. Meme functionality like tetris and doctor is just left in for shiggles. >Tabs are weird, in vim I had my own personal config for every type of file i work with, and repo specific configs for projects I contribute to with diffrent rules to mine. If anyone is an emacs tab master please stand up. Emacs does have odd defaults for tabs. I use this: (setq-default tab-width 4 c-basic-offset 4) Language modes should also help with idiomatic offsets automagically. >Jesus christ emacs loads slowly. When I'm having to consiously stop my self from trying to start typing until emacs finishes its a problem. I know its a half second at a time but vim booted up instantly. AND I'm Using emacs in the terminal, no excuse. This can help: stackoverflow.com/questions/1217180/how-do-i-byte-compile-everything-in-my-emacs-d-directory That said, it's almost instant on most of my boxes, even without using the daemon, precompiling or use-package. Emacs is best used in a GUI, it's not really meant for quick little edits in a terminal. I use mg or vi for that. >And the highlighting for things like spelling and whitespace tend to not work until the cursor goes over the text in question. Who knows why, vim didnt. Emacs can do a lot of things OOTB, they're just not turned on: emacswiki.org/emacs/ShowWhiteSpace As you can probably guess, you should keep track of your config once you get things how you like.
Brayden Hall
What daemon mode does is basically start emacs as a process so it never really "shuts down". The benefit of this is that it starts up immediately but of course it utilizes an extra bit of ram and that might be a deal-killer for some people
Wyatt Bell
If it works like mpd+ncmpcpp then sign me up.
Lucas Stewart
emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsClient Basically you spawn an emacs server in the background and then connect to it with a client, this completely eliminates the startup time issue but some people dislike having it constantly running in the background.
Another suggestion I'll add is that the package which-key can be really nice for serving as a set of training wheels. It will show you what keys are bound to what function as you type them.
I alias 'e' to 'emacsclient -c -a ""'. This starts the sever the first time it runs, so there is lag then, but every subsequent invocation opens emacs with no perceptible lag. If you'd rather have it open in terminal, substitute "-nw" or "-t" for "-c". See the above links and the man page for emacsclient for more details.
Alexander Gonzalez
>which-key Not him but does it do the same as "C-h k"?
Jose Russell
I use evil mode. Anyone has a tip to pass ^z to my terminal in Emacs?
David Barnes
>Not sure how to help there, but On my desktop its fine because I use Super because its in a convenient place. on my lappy the super key is way far back and the alt is convenient. IDK it only comes up when i have to do emacs keys stuff which i'm trying to make never.
>suckless would probably screech at you for using Emacs anyway. Fuck the suckless people i like their software but they're weird about a lot
>Language modes should also help with idiomatic offsets automagically. Language modes you say? would i be able to do set that while working in directories? You would be amazed how diffrent style guides can be. that code looks helpful though, thanks.
>Emacs is best used in a GUI y thou? Being able to render latex in emacs might be cool but I'm not sure about changing my workflow for it. I've seen a lot of stuff like webbrowsers and stuff, but i already have vimb/qutebrowser and they work fine.
>ShowWhiteSpace I'll look into this maybe later... I've been using it for like a week and its not high on the list of things to make like they were before lol. It was just a very weird thing to me.
Julian Wright
Never mind, it shows options.
Brayden Green
>emacs trampstamp Kinda hot! 8/10, Would hit.
Alexander Ortiz
Any particular reason you're using with-eval-after-load instead of use-package's config? I know use-package just wraps that, but it is inconsistent and bothers my autism.
Evan Ward
Use emacs daemon
Brandon Hernandez
I followed uncle dave's series on emacs to make my config and he set it up that way, I actually know absolutely 0 elisp and have gotten around issues by simply looking up my problems
If you want to change it so it utilizes use-package config, feel free to do so, in fact, if you do please show me how you did it so I may do the same
Eli Ortiz
If you guys can point me to an android app for org-mode or better yet emacs with org-mode I'll be thankful.
It's just a matter of sticking whatever is under (with-eval-after-load
under the :config
block for that package.
:init is run before the package is loaded. :config is run after the package is loaded.
Nothing really wrong with the way you're doing it, but might as well make it consistent.
Cooper Brooks
Not him, but I basically copied uncle dave's config and wrapped it in use-package. Everything in the :config block gets executed after the package loads, so I'm pretty sure it's just wrapped in 'eval-after-load'.
(use-package company :ensure t :bind (:map company-active-map ("C-j" . company-select-next) ("C-k" . company-select-previous)) :config (setf company-idle-delay 0 company-minimum-prefix-length 2))
You could also add :hook ((c-mode c++-mode) . company-mode)
this just effectively calls add-hook for every mode you specify.
Brody Hall
I thank you both greatly for your inputs! I've already made the changes in the Witchmacs github page
Ayden Roberts
Well done my child, now go forth and spread the good word of emacs and 2hu.
Emacs client works wonderfully, emacs finally starts very fast. I've got the daemon starting in my xinit so everything should be great.
Camden Brooks
Orgzly
Evan Butler
Friendly reminder Evil mode is not the only one, Viper exists.
Chase Jones
>The use of the alt-key is conflicting with my DWM install The reason why tiling WMs fascinate with having the alt-key do WM things when too many programs use it is beyond me.
Replace it with Mod4/Super/Windows key/however you call it. Not a single sane application should have Super key bindings by default.
Julian Phillips
teesting
Matthew Johnson
lmao
Ayden Bailey
Any hierarchical file browser? Something with a tree view.
i mentioned this earlier but its only a problem on my laptop where the super key is too out of the way to comfortably use. And if vim didn't need alt neither should evil
Levi Bailey
ztree comes with ztree-dir is what I use
Colton Bailey
>msoffice retard complaining about libreoffice yeah retard, libreoffice is not an exact copy of msoffice, nor it's an emulator of msoffice >photoshop retard complaining about gimp yeah retard, gimp is not an exact copy of photoshop, nor it's an emulator of photoshop >wintard complaining about linux distros yeah retard, linux is a completely different kernel and linux distros are completely different operating systems than windows >vim-nigger, complaining about emacs yeah nigger, emacs has evil mode, which doesn't try to sugar-coat the shit called vim, it just tries to make your brainlet life easier so you can ascent to the higher plane.
why is there the same kind of retard complaining about the fucken same thing on every platform.
I tried to program c ++ on Windows with Emacs. I think the environment is adverse. The toolchain is complicated, too complicated, new concepts. I do not get it. CMake, Makelists, Clang, MinGW, Cygwin. All new. I have always used Visual Studio C ++. I'm not a systems administrator, I just want it to work.
It has given me problems to install pdf-tools in windows. It has given me problems with irony, with rtags. I think everything is focused on a unix environment.
I don't know how you can be an ardent emacs user when it violates the unix philosophy, a huge fucking program that encompasses everything just so you never have to leave the editor.
John Campbell
>it violates the unix philosophy >not seeing lisp as the perfect language to glue programs together >ignoring the several emacs interfaces to unix programs like ctags
>installed emacs >documentation is too terse >even "simple" tutorials put up a wall of default keybindings I'm unable to get used to >you literally have to learn another programming language just to write the .rc file >literally nobody enjoys the defaults >and you'll probably install 10 or 20 packages just to get started what a goddamn timesink, just purged this shit from my computer GNU nano for life.
Owen Anderson
I thought the same thing. The Super key (Mod4) should really be the default modifier by now. I still don't understand why so many tiling WMs still insist on making Alt the default.
Nathaniel Long
Ratpoison doesnt have this problem ;^)
Jayden Green
I too used Vim for years, then switched to Emacs, first using Evil mode. Lately, however, I've been experimenting with the default keybindings (eventually planning to make my own custom keybindings), and I have to say, once you use a proper, more ergonomic remapping, they work surprisingly well. They are probably less efficient than Vi keybindings overall, even after you get used to them, but have the advantage of being obviously better integrated with the environment (although Evil mode is greatly improving in that regard recently). >what ergonomic mapping did you use? Look at pic related. What do you notice? That's right. Modifiers are further and further away from the space bar the less often they are used. That way, you can easily press Ctrl with your thumb, which is a lot more comfortable than even remapping Ctrl to Caps Lock, which still involves your pinkie. The fact that older keyboards originally had the two swapped, also, is largely a myth: only the original IBM PC keyboard did, and yet, older keyboards such as typewriters and Lisp machines didn't. In fact, many of them already had Caps Lock where it is today. What I do is remap modifiers on the left side to look like pic related, and leave the rest unchanged. That way, I can use my left thumb for Ctrl and my right thumb for Alt. It has proven very comfortable and it works really well, even with default keybindings. That said, they aren't very ergonomic, as most of them are actually just mnemonic. I'm thinking about using something like Ctrl+WASD to move, such as gayms, and swap the rest, but I still have to design it in detail. Even if you don't use Emacs, I highly recommend you try this mapping.
>I don't know how you can be an ardent emacs user when it violates the unix philosophy Violating the Unix philosophy is exactly what makes it so great.
>y thou? Not that user, but for me: There is no point to open it in terminal, once I open Emacs I would never go back into the terminal so it just doesn't matter. If I want to access the shell I just use eshell in Emacs. GUI is a bit nicer (more colours, scrolling bar) but otherwise it's still just a window with text.
One important thing is how it handles frames. In terminal when you open a new frame, you create another view on top of the previous view and to go back you need to delete the top frame; essentially a stack of views. In GUI Emacs is aware of windows so when you create a new frame, it creates a new window (your window manager's windows are Emacs' frames and Emacs' frames are things inside window manager's windows). For me that's very important because I don't use Emacs' tiling and instead manage windows with my window manager (as God intended; also I don't have a config that stops Emacs from using windows so don't ask me that (but I suppose it would be fairly easy to replace the function that creates a new window)).
Yeah, it can also open images and pdfs and I occasionally do that but I always encounter a bug with Emacs pdf viewer where whole Emacs crashes if I try to open a file that's already visible in some other frame (possibly only if the file was changed since the previous open, I'm not sure but it did crash in some very common case) and it feels a bit awkward (no smooth scrolling etc.) so I don't think it's a strong point.
John Gray
How do you expect to gain new users when it's so hard to get started and returning years later is normal behavior?
Bentley Richardson
That's not what he said. Are you a troll?
Mason Russell
You sound like the troll, I'm completely convinced emacs is a meme and not worth my time.
Mason Perez
You guys really need to try org-mode with worf.
Leo Flores
Open source trampstamp, lol
Isaiah Thompson
I actually bought a Japanese keyboard for my ThinkPad to make more ergonomic mappings. Keys around the spacebar are mapped to: > [Left ctrl] [mod4] [] [shift] [left alt] [right alt] (I actually need right alt for special characters in my language) Mod4 will stay in place as as a modifier for my window manager but I'm considering swapping other keys around. It's pretty nice as it is but I'm considering whether it could be better. Especially that tiny right alt is tiny and I often miss it.
As for the Emacs keybindings themselves, I actually mapped Ctrl+FRST (ESDF in QWERTY) for moving the cursor around (with some variations with shift and alt) and I'm thinking about other keybinds. I had some idea that the left hand would be dedicated to changing view or focus and the right hand to modification. That way I would have all necessary keybinds in one hand if I was only browsing things. Also, I actually use only very basic commands for editing and I'm wondering if I'm losing out on something. But I never feel like I'm wasting time on repetitive editing so I guess I'm fine.
Okay, then don't use it. For people who are willing to put the time into learning it and setting it up how they want, it is a force multiplier. The program has been around for longer than most of us ITT have been alive. It will likely be around long after we're dead as well. Gaining users hasn't been an issue and won't be one moving forward either.
Justin Ross
How did you set up your Haskell environment on Emacs?
Noah Flores
>I don't know how you can be an ardent emacs user when it violates the unix philosophy Reality violates the Unix philosophy. The Lisp nerds were always right. >a huge fucking program that encompasses everything just so you never have to leave the editor. Emacs is not a monolith, it is designed from the bottom up to have a structured and modular design, which is why it's still maintainable after thirty fucking years. If there is a better tool for the job, Emacs can interface with it in a correct and consistent way (VC, debugging, build tools, etc). Thanks to web devs, we no longer need to try!
Camden Lee
b-b-but it's good if you build your own editor from scratch in it
Henry Smith
>build your own editor from scratch My Emacs configuration is 50 LOC, 1/4 of which are comments, and only two of my packages (evil and neotree) influence the base functionality. It would literally be more effort for me to use an IDE.
Luis Stewart
>not stumpwm
Luke Thomas
If you launch the GUI from the terminal you can just ^z the terminal emulator window
Lincoln Fisher
But it still gaining users over a long period of time despite being "hard" shows how it's actually not as hard as you make it out to be. Maybe you're just mentally challenged? That's okay, there's atom or vscode for people like you.
Jose Gomez
Let me see random chunks of my config file... (custom-set-variables ... '(haskell-tags-on-save t) '(package-selected-packages '(... flycheck-haskell haskell-mode ;; haskell-mode is a dependency of flycheck-haskell so that would be enough ...)
;; changed faces for some reason: haskell-debug-newline-face, haskell-debug-trace-number-face
Very basic configuration I guess. There was something about Haskell process interactive use which I tried to configure and couldn't get it to work but it seems to be working now that I try it (functions like haskell-process-do-type).
John Thomas
bump
Carter Gutierrez
On my way to learn more stuff I can do with Emacs I found on packages and optimizations.
GNU Emacs isn't the original, you mongs, if it was it'd be utter shit.
Cameron Scott
Visual studio users don't even know how to find their compiler and linker on disk, prove me wrong.
Ain't nothing wrong with nmake either, faggots.
bcb32.exe master race here.
Charles Jones
Isn't the original implementation of GNU Emacs itself. Also Stallman wrote macros from another text editor. Those macros later came to be the first Emacs.
to be honest I found it online a while back, I don't even have the original vector file, just a png (7812x7872, pretty high quality desu).
Xavier Robinson
That is a shame
Grayson Jenkins
bump
Justin Rivera
>using dwm >using alt for wm control Use Super for dwm you tard. Or reassign meta in emacs to super.
>Evil mode doesn't work 100% of the time Don't use it. You're using emacs, not vim. >Packages are weird No they aren't? They're packages. Emacs has whitespace highlighting out of the box too, you just have to enable it. M-x whitespace-mode Everything is a package because Emacs is built out of Elisp, so any additional functionality logically should exist as an Elisp function. >Tabs are weird, in vim I had my own personal config for every type of file i work with, and repo specific configs for projects I contribute to with diffrent rules to mine. I don't understand what you're confused about. You do exactly the same thing with emacs. >Getting back to where i was in vim configuration is taking time. You're changing editors with a massive difference in how they operate. Obviously this wil ltake time. >Jesus christ emacs loads slowly Yes. Emacs is also not really meant to be used as a "open a file, edit two characters, close and rerun the makefile, then open it again..." You just open it and leave it open. Pop open M-x shell if you want and don't even leave emacs. There are justifiable reasons for this and direct benefits for those reasons over vim, but I won't get into them.
Justin Garcia
Do you use electric-pair-mode with haskell? I'm trying to narrow down some weird bug in my config that when I'm editing Haskell, I need to frequently and manually call garbage-collection or emacs will lock up entirely for a solid 30 seconds. I've done profiling and helm is eating a shitload of memory, but electric-pair-mode is chewing up 70% of cpu time.
