Want help? >State the budget & CURRENCY >List your uses e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors include purpose & graphics pairing >NO Speccy or "bottleneck checkers"
Secure CPUs based on current prices >1600/1700 - for non-gaming; worse in gaming due to slower memory latency >R3 2200G - Light 30-60fps gaming(dGPU optional) >R5 2600/X - Good 60fps+ gaming & multithreaded work use >R7 2700/X - Best value high-end CPU on a non-HEDT platform >Threadripper - HEDT
RAM >NEVER use only a single stick >8GB - very light use, and/or if you don't mind closing programs regularly >16GB - standard amount. If you have to ask if you need more, you don't >CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2800MHz+ is ideal. Check "more" for true latency formula
Graphics cards based on current pricing: >Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty 1080p >RX 570/580 - value. >1660 - Slightly better for more demanding games on high/maxed 60fps+; > 1660Ti / 1070 / Vega56 / 2060 - higher framerates 1440p (WQHD) >1070Ti / Vega / 2070 - 60-120fps+ in most games on high/maxed >RTX 2080 / 2080Ti - higher framerates >Radeon VII - may be considered; needs cooler mod to run quiet 2160p (4k) >RTX 2080 / Radeon VII - upscale or lower settings >RTX 2080 Ti, but poor value.
Other >Consider a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & HDD >M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard >Consider 75hz display minimum; 60hz are old models >PLAN BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >AIOs don't change the laws of thermodynamics
Nice image, but you are wrong and that other user is right. Userbenchmark is awful. Cherry picking is bad, too, but that user wasn't so much cherry picking as giving an example benchmark and telling the original user to look at more. Cherry picking, as long as the source is accurate, isn't as bad as an inaccurate source like userbenchmark.
Liam Nguyen
AMD Ryzen Masterrace reporting in with my 2700x, 32gb ram and Dual Vega 64.
Shittong you thinklets and plebs.
And im out.
Dominic Brown
>dual gpu >2013+6 still im a bit jelly
what do you mean?
Christian Stewart
>what do you mean? Like 8 years ago, CPU didn't matter that much, as long as it wasn't garbage tier. As long as you didn't hit 100% CPU usage you were good. GPU benchmarks didn't even include the processor, because it only did like 1 or 2 FPS difference.
But now, CPUs seem to matter a whole lot more. GPU benchmarks always include the CPU, and the same GPU combined with a different CPU can cause a huge FPS difference.
Also, RAM frequency actually matters now. That was never a concern back then, as long as it wasn't completely garbage.
Blake Gutierrez
>not dual Radeon VII
Camden Jackson
In what world does an RTX 2060 not handle 1440p? Go back to school, OP.
Jaxon Butler
because we're moving to more cores/threads in both CPU and software support where clock speeds also matter, and because different cpu brands' architectures work differently. RAM speed is tied to AMD's infinity fabric that communicates between each core
Blake Kelly
Because Intel was charging $350 just to get a CPU which could do 60fps minimums in games. The budget CPUs were all stutter fests. It was just as hard to justify spending that much money as it was hard to justify having a 4 thread CPU which couldn't even keep up with a $200 GPU. It seemed stupid to spend more on a tiny little cpu than it did to spend on a whole GPU, so people just dealt with the stutters. Now you can get a smooth CPU for $80(1600 at microcenter) to $165(2600) so it's retarded to get anything less.
Demanding games had started to need 8 threads minimum to run smoothly as early as 2013. It's nothing new. The sane pricing is what has changed.
>61 fps is all you need on 2018 games >40 fps is all you need on 2020 games >just spend $350 on a GPU now despite needing to upgrade again in a year if not immediately!
Andrew Wood
>implying people with a 2060 need to run ultra maxed on all games. I run a 2060 and do 4k medium settings quite comfortably on my system. Like I said, go back to school. I probably won't have to upgrade for another couple years, and I run 4k medium.
Henry Nelson
Why people going crazy for ray tracing? When most games cant handle them? I'm so confused. So real question , I have enough money for a 2080? Should I cop senpai Jow Forums?
Christian Smith
>No mention of the 9900k and 9700k I get that amd has a much better value while intel are a bunch of jews and that their cpus are full of vulnerabilities but they are objectively better for gaming than anything amd has to offer at the moment despite their price. Blatant fanboyism and cpuwar shit should give retards like you a permanent rangeban.
Blake James
Reminder to read gamegpu.ru benchmarks because they're one of the only few to actually test with different CPU and GPU combinations
>Buying a $350 GPU and having to turn down texture resolution, even though texture resolution only affects VRAM and doesn't affect FPS Yeah, people also run 4K on an RX580 which costs half as much comfortably. Depends on what you play HUR DE DUR go back to school.
No one is going "crazy" for it except for shills in the "tech press". It's just marketing.
>list of SECURE CPUs. >SECURE >intel no. If you want such insecure CPUs, you buy them at your own risk. An extra 120 watts of power consumption and all the vulnerabilities isn't worth it to the vast majority of people and a lot of us won't recommend them just like we won't recommend someone fuck a crack whore without a rubber.
They actually don't. They test on one or 2 CPUs then extrapolate.
Xavier Bell
Haha dumbass
Kayden James
bulldozer is all you need
Eli Sanchez
>1400 better than 1700X
Jack Bennett
5% better
William Reyes
>If you want such insecure CPUs, you buy them at your own risk. You are retarded. There are many other easier and faster ways someone could steal your data regardless of your hardware.
Landon Martin
What even is ray tracing? I've never cared to look into it. Is it something to do with lighting? someone give it to me in layman's terms.
Logan Parker
Pozzed bechmark Pozzed poster
William Thomas
because open world memes are generally more cpu bound
Lucas Martin
Calculates where rays of light go. Normal game "yeah this wood is brown" Raytracing "10 GIGARAYS PER SECOND, BUT WE CHECK IF IT INTERSECTS WITH A TRIANGLE INSIDE OF A TRIANGLE INSIDE OF A TRIANGLE WITH W0 GIGARAYS A SECOND"
Brayden Carter
CPUs still don't matter that much for gaming, despite what that AMDummy well meme to you about. Ironically this is a good reason to get an AMD CPU because, while slightly worse in gaming, the R5 2600X especially is both a great performing and great value gaming CPU
>The budget CPUs were all stutter fests. False, games were designed around 4c or 4t CPUs. This is revisionism to support a narrative
The only reason to talk to this idiot is to shit on him so that other anons can see his stupidity
Aiden Gray
>despite what that AMDummy well meme to you about. really now? the AMDrones are the ones that rave about getting good CPU? holy fucking shit my sides
In no universe is the 2060 unfit for 1440p. You have an agenda (possibly paid marketing?) so you make up shit and get BTFO'd every day
Thomas Lewis
Ray tracing is a very costly, albeit extremely accurate, technique to draw shading. Basically, it works like irl, only in reverse. A light source irl sends light rays in all directions that may or may not intersect with objects before reaching your vision, causing refraction, reflection and absorption effects. Ray tracing sends rays from the camera that intersect with objects and calculates those effects to give you the final color for a given pixel. Mind you, these rays may bounce a great number of times before they get fully absorbed, which is why it is very costly.
Noah Cox
Thanks guys.
Angel Carter
If my motherboard is advertised as having dual channel memory slots, would a quad channel kit work? Or do I need two dual channel kits to occupy all 4 slots?
Juan Thompson
Not at 1080p or 1440p
Samuel Murphy
a kit advertised as quad channel is just guaranteed to work in quad channel it'll be fine in dual channel
Liam Gutierrez
you need a quad channel motherboard to run quad channel no matter how many DIMM slots the board has. if you run quad channel RAM in a dual channel mobo it will just run dual channel and you waste 2 slots for upgrades later.
Joseph Phillips
Intel CPUs are just as secure with the patches and are still objectively faster for games as I stated earlier. That's a fact, whether you like Intel or not. >t. waiting for the 3850x which I hope will btfo the 9900k and 10990k on single core performance.
They test all the CPUs with an RTX 2080Ti and and the GPUs with an i9 9900K. They extrapolate after that. Still one of the best benchmark websites
Connor Foster
>looking for 144hz monitor >they're all curved >24" curved reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Colton Lee
Keep
Ironic that Ryzen is also vulnerable to Spectre.
Wyatt Morris
Except it's not.
Brody Barnes
I got this for 100€. A 780ti with a Raijintek II Core or however it is called. I also got the original cooler, so I will replace it with the original and sell the Raijintek to a friend for 50€. So yeah, a 780 ti for 50€, which sometimes matches a 1060 6GB, so I guess it should be a little better than a 1060 3GB.
come on, everyone knows intel was hit harder by this. you need physical access to do anything on the AMD system if it's still even has any security holes.
ok?
Christopher Evans
It is, you fucking moron >the CPUs of all three of the largest global CPU vendors — AMD, ARM, and Intel — are susceptible to both Meltdown and Spectre. Well, at least to some of the variations from both these families. kaspersky.com/blog/35c3-spectre-meltdown-2019/25268/ - Kaspersky, one of the foremost names in security
Camden Sanders
>you need physical access Absolutely fucking not. Some exploits require physical access (just like some exploits on the Core arch), but not for Spectre. Don't believe the memes, retard
Gavin Perez
intel still has over 5 times more holes than AMD and i bet Intel is shitting their pants at the thought of Google and Amazon jumping ship due to their fucking housefires and 30-50% performance loss on the server side.
that's what you get for using a shit tier case and being a fa(R)GBoi
Ryan Cook
Out of curiosity, are there any cases that can fit my components in as close together as this without modding?
John Phillips
Q500L maybe
Daniel Evans
is that nh c14s? what form factor is the mobo?
Hudson Roberts
You overpaid. The 780Ti is not any better than a 7970 which go for like $40. The cooler (without fans ???) is not worth the difference
>thought of Uh it's already happened. MS and Amazon stopped ordering Epyc over a year ago. Amazon is going all Epyc now, and they provide over half the world's servers.
Jason Martin
I asked this in a previous thread but didn't get a clear answer.
12gb memory stick is worrysome 180w PSU in a i7 you cant. literally cant.
Leo Lopez
At this point he's doing it just to spite Intel fanboys, and I'm perfectly fine with it. Until Intel fixed their garbage housefire architecture filled with security holes they will continue in a downward spiral.
Cameron Long
The 780 (non ti) is already better than a 7970. youtube.com/watch?v=DvCsT_dk-1E Also, the 7970 is 70€ here. I see you call it just a fanless cooler, so I guess you don't know about it. raijintek.com/en/products_detail.php?ProductID=46 It is being sold on some places at 60€, but they are out of stock. I will be adding a two PWM Artic fans for like 20€ more. It will be cooling a 1080 ti.
Nolan Lopez
So this PC won't take the 1050 ti LP because of the 12gb ram & 180w PSU?
>intel still has over 5 times more holes than AMD I have two buckets. One has two holes, and the other has ten. Which one won't leak?
Additionally, the basic approaches to SMT in Core, Ryzen, and ARM CPUs are flawed
Nathaniel Hill
AMD has like 5, intel has more than 30 at this point. if i have to use a leaky bucket im gonna use the one that leaks the least.
Robert Russell
>2060 still can't beat Vega 56
Lincoln Johnson
Intel should bow to the customer demands, not the other way around.
Cooper Stewart
just the PSU if you really wanna do a upgrade you would need to inquire them about a stronger PSU, something like 450w at least. if you get a new case for the PSU you wont be restricted by a SFF GPU but then why would you be interested in a SFF thats not gonna be a SFF
the memory needs to be paired in size. you cant find memory sticks of 6gb therefore this is one of the dumbest mistakes done when messing with computers, in wich you have a 8 gb + 4 GB of ram. because of the uneven size, part of the memory is accessed in single channel mode and the PC will slow down signifcantly because of that
sorry about you're tastes, but if you want a SFF PC you will need to look elsewhere another option is make it yourself, find a SFF case that pleases you and get on with it. maybe even use a riser cable for the GPU or a 90 degree angle adapter for PCIe 16x
Jace Reyes
I was looking for a comparison with the 7970. I already watched that video when it was published, that's why I said it sometimes matches a 1060 6GB. The 7970 isn't even there, but it should be a little better than a 960.
Jace Fisher
7970 and 290 is the same chip
Cooper Scott
what demmands? the customer wants AMD. its a economic recession, only them big bois and business want intel, thus they will always pay premium for their stuff
Matthew Roberts
whats better, two 4gb Rx480 @ 150$ or a rx580 for 250$? gonna buy a fx8350 to go alongside it I just want to play ror2 really
Jack Foster
always buy a single better GPU and im sure no matter how you look at it the CPU will kill your build
AMD has consoles so most big multiplats will perform slightly better on GCN. V56 and the 2060 are about equal on average (with the 2060 leading slightly) but the 2060 is usually cheaper and has a significantly better perf/watt, in addition to being part of a new lineup
Note that the other bench has the 2060 in a slight lead
>AMD has like 5, intel has more than 30 at this point. This is an exaggeration, and of course that's your prerogative. I'm an AMD fan myself, for lots of reasons. But don't delude yourself into thinking that Ryzen is in any way secure; that's quite literally lulling [the word 'lull' means 'put to sleep, if you're retarded] yourself into a false sense of security.
Adam Rodriguez
So I need to change the ram and power supply? btw I bought it like that. I am not knowledgeable about PCs.
A single 480, retard. Check benchmarks, but in general you shouldn't be buying FX at this point.
Christian Baker
>This is an exaggeration not by as much as you believe. go read some fucking tech news.
should have done more research then, dumbo
Connor Parker
Wrong, 7970 and 280X
Samuel Davis
Thanks, edgy.
Jace Fisher
first im not even sure if your case can take it can you take a picture of its rear slots? the PSU is the needed part, the memory isnt mandatory, but it will do you good if you feel the PC is slowing down sporadically
Jackson Flores
So will the gtx 1050 2gb LP do?
Nolan Jackson
One 480 for as low as you can get it and a new low tier cpu build or a prebuilt with an older i5. Unless you can get the 8350/mobo/ram for an absolute steal (No more than $100, preferably $80) don't bother. If you're upgrading your existing system with the 8530 then I'd recommend you don't even bother. Just build new at that point.
Henry Morgan
if it does not require any extra power cables you should be able to run it off that piece of shit without changing anything.
Charles White
they're all the same with minor tweaks up to the fucking 590
Charles Wright
Just wanted to say thanks to the lads who recommended me MSI B450A PRO with R5 2600. Runs like a charm and works perfectly with [email protected]
Jaxson Torres
wait for 1650 It's barely better than an iGPU, but sure.
>2016 lol And yes I know about the cooler. The picture of yours has no fans. Fans cost extra. it's not for sale anymore because it was superseded by the Morpheus II.
But no I did misremember, it's the 7970(280X) being better than 780 and the 290X being way better than the 780Ti. Still, not a huge difference. Maybe your used market is worse there.
No it's literally not.
Why is the RX580 $250? Why would you get a fx8350 instead of a 1600? Just get the single 480 and a 1600 if you're poor.
> only them big bois and business want intel You seem to think CFOs and CTOs are less intelligent than your average consumer.
same with Nvidia GPUs since the GTX 200 series, by that "logic".
Adam Collins
first of all im surprised it seems to be a quality mobo, it has 2 M.2 slots somehow
the CPU is slower and pratically a notebook variant to prevent stressing the CPU or maybe even heating the PC
the issue is that your mobo and CPU alone would consume ~120w of those 180w avaliable. downsizing the GPU wouldnt save it, if you wanna do 1080p60 gaming you will experience shutdowns because even a energy efficient 1050 would draw from 50 to 75w more, wich is far too close to the PSU max wattage.
try to discover the PSU size and see if you cant find one rated at least 300w. a 1050ti wont max many games but will allow you to work on a 250w range
both 1050 and 1050ti only require extra power cable if they have a partner modification for such the ones that do are praised for having more stable overclocks so this is really interesting even then
>CFOs and CTOs are less intelligent than your average consumer. CFOs dont wanna be blamed for cutting costs and thus cut production and CTOs would advocate the most powerful build unless they are told they cant invest heavy
Bentley Howard
Because now you have options, before Ryzen you didn't.
Ryan Howard
>the ones that do are praised for having more stable overclocks so this is really interesting even then >interesting >OC >on a prebuilt >when he could just get a GPU without extra power cable and only draw 75W from the PCI-E slot and might not have to swap PSU
>No it's literally not. it's the same arch
Evan Morales
well im sorry for making small talk about stupid add ons on low end gpus its not like he could accidentaly buy one of those and fuck his PSU with a low end GPU that consumes 150w
David Parker
prove it or gtfo
Christopher Perry
it cant consume 150W if it doesnt have any extra power connectors like a fucking said twice already because the PCI-E slot only provides 75W and he cant OC the CPU
Josiah Taylor
>Maybe your used market is worse there. pretty much. Also, no raijintek passive cooler is being sold here, not even on amazon.com, and I got the Morpheus II. There wasn't any other way to get it for cheaper thant I got that for (at the end I paid 50€ for the 780 ti since the Morpheus is 50€ that I will get from a friend). I will probably sell it with the EVGA cooler it comes with for around 80€ if I don't find any use for it. Maybe I will gift it to my cousin since he has a 7970, because all the other PCs I have are already 570, 1050 ti, 1060, etc.
Samuel Gomez
Sirs, purchase Ryzen 2600, it good budget CPU thx
Caleb Phillips
I am looking for a small graphics card like pic related but the PSU cable plugs in from the side of the card and not the top. Do they exist? What are they called?
90% sure Nvidia or someone sells an attachment that you plug in to the top power connector that has another power connector on the side. It accomplishes what you're looking for.
Gabriel Hernandez
AMD if for poor niggers
Landon Cook
and now that you've paid us those 2 cents, you're broke and can't afford either AMD or Intel.
Joshua Mitchell
>tfw want intel single core performance for high hz gamin >tfw cant buy because zen 2 soon >tfw 9900k price dropping a bit, tempted >tfw dont wanna buy overpriced gpus though so high end intel might go "wasted" >tfw pc is almost dying and gpu almost dying too, nervous is there ever any right time to buy... damnit Is AMD gonna cuck us again?!
