Anyone else waiting for Librem 5? >Hardware killswitches for microphone, cameras and other sensors >GNU/Linux operating system >Replaceable battery >3.5 audio jack >No muh-no-bezzels design >Lifetime updates >Encrypted calls
>inb4 $649 is too much for a device that doesn't track you and will last for more than 3 years
Why do you think you're important? You're just another spec of data in Googles/Amazons/Facebooks database, and you switching to some loonix device won't stop billions of others providing data. Buy a good phone and don't be a retard.
Juan Ortiz
>iMX8M Quad CPU I wonder why they went for a processor made for video processing/smart TVs. I like how it's not American, but I don't know about performance.
Levi Torres
>Lifetime updates more like 6 months of updates before they shut down the project
Alexander Evans
My credit card info is important to me. Also personal information may be used to blackmail you or steal your identity
Gabriel Watson
Forgot about: >10fps scrolling >2007 tier camera >No AC Wi-Fi >Shit audio output that makes the jack useless >It will last more than 3 years since it is obsolete out of the box for 90% of common smartphone tasks
The device is a cool idea, but if you think you will be able to enjoy it for permanent, daily usage, you are just a contrarian hipster. I see it being used in some corporate projects where they could modify the OS to their very specific use case, but other than that, it's just a very nice toy.
Asher Flores
You forgot about the raw autism of an infinite amount of trannies on typewriters. They will surely keep this open-source project alive.
Joseph Price
Holy fuckin based
Julian Garcia
>an infinite amount of trannies on typewriters. trannies > curry niggers
Noah Bennett
literally no one cares about you pal, the company isn't gonna use your credit card and its extremely unlikely a hacker hacks such a big company. Stop being paranoid, its embarrassing.
Jayden Thompson
Company won't do it, but where is the guarantee that some emlloyee with access wouldn't want to earn something on the side? There've been the cases with Google employees doing it already
Isaac Jackson
So, let me get this straight. You really think that using FSF approved devices to make payments will make big corporations unable to track your financial/personal data?
Zachary Thomas
Have preordered - Really hope they can deliver.
Freedom aside, this conceptually is everything the smartphone should have been to begin with: OS independent hardware (you'll be able to install any GNU distribution on it) in the form factor of a handheld touchscreen thing. No more crippled telephone OSs and no more forcing desktops/laptop OSs to behave like crippled telephones.
Jacob Gonzalez
Hur dur buy corporate overlord phones that hate you
Lincoln Gonzalez
m8, It's a linux distro
Gavin Martin
Who cares, you dont need perfoemance for text messaging
Ayden Nguyen
>I wonder why has something to do with separating/isolating the baseband from the main processing
Ayden Taylor
wrong, wrong, unnecessary, and wrong. For christsakes, CPU’s have the computational power to draw gpu’s. If you assign a 3 input xor system to each pixel on the display, you still only need ~20-30million transistors. We crossed that mark a longtime ago. Of course, then your clock rate needs to be up t par, but I’ll assume it can make decisions and push current for the most basic scrolling operations at faster than 60fps. As for the camera - cameras have been good for a decade now. 90% of every “camera review” for new flagships are just comparisons of algorithms. And none of that really touches on the baseline most important part that affects the camera experience, which is the latency and bus clock to push data. Apple’s is much faster and higher prioritized in the processor pipeline, which is why the photo taking experience on iphones has always been so much nicer, even on older phones. I’m going to assume they have not made any improvements to latency via the scheduler, so the experience will likely be similar to an average android. The quality will probably be around iphone 6 tier, but that’s honestly pretty good. I still use a 6s and my ski trip photos look fantastic. So it wont be much worse. As for ac wifi, wifi in general is a meme. Channel duplication matters just as much as bandwidth density. N wifi can transmit up to 600-something gbps, did you know that? But people associate it with slow garbage, because they’re used to their 72-megabit single antenna stuff that’s probably actually like 25 because America, but they don’t know that, and now suddenly think what is 72 (actually 25) can’t do netflix they need ~200 (and go buy unnecessary routers) when in reality their problem was capitalism. For reference, I have 100/100, i use dual antenna (everyone’s phone has dual-N these days) multi-channel duplication for guaranteed max latencies, and all of my friends swear i have faster internet than our buddy with terabit fiber.
Dominic Reyes
how fucking tech illiterate are you? All that shit is hashed in the database, no employee can touch it without a seed
Jason Thompson
Nice counter-argument, hipster.
Justin Ross
I'm seriously interested in it to replace my S5. It'd be nice to have a phone that in theory isn't a government surveillance device I pay an absurd amount of money for the privilege of owning and using.
Samuel Ross
How about It can send text messages It can open web pages It can read emails What other feature do I need? Does it compare to having hardware that doesnt hate you?
Dylan White
Purism is a fucking meme. They're a joke to anyone within the Free Software community. - If you truly care about Free Software and privacy --> don't have a smartphone (I have a dumbphone) - If you have to have a phone and care about Free Software and privacy you are best with Replicant OS. You can pick up a Note II or SIII cheap and it's easy to install. - If you cant put up with the limitations of Replicant OS (no wifi, no gps,...) you are better of using Lineage OS without Google.
Sebastian Wright
I believe the low price of the pinephone will allow more adoption and future iterations, Im saving my money for it
Nathaniel Collins
Furthermore, DAC’s have been good for about a decade too now. In fact, the amp purity is so good that in a few dacs on laptops you can hear the device turn on and off via the speakers. Anyone telling you that they need a special dac other than the one in their phone is bullshitting you. Forget blind hearing tests, I can prove it via circuit schematic breakdown. But anyways...
and yes, this devide is guaranteed to last a lot longer than 3 years. So long as it stays in the linux tree, plasma mobile and gnome mobile work on it, it should stay updated...for as long as those projects exist. Unlike windows or apple or android there is no API-carrier updating-firmware bullshit going on here. You put the latest kernel in, you choose your gui, and you go. Until the gui demands turn to VR, this should be capable of drawing all needed mobile apps. And the basic low level file system, or “smart os” stuff is easier thanyou think for processors, most of that is handled by ASIC’s on the board.
t. double major in cs & ee, considering quadruple major in ce & se as well.
Jeremiah Morris
so? a lot of distros have a shit ton of old or incompatible packages
Ian Brown
>They're a joke to anyone within the Free Software community. Why?
Jordan Cox
>I have a dumb phone Worse than this device. the goal of online communications should be to have decentralized encrypted IP communications. dumb phones communicate over centralized monitored private networks. this device will help push for the former. >best with replicant how so? replicant is an attempt to “purify” android, but the project is flawed from the start because android is a piece of dogshit that should be abandoned, from a technical POV. A fucking decade later, and it’s still basically a reskin of the kernel. Sure, a few things added here or there, but what props it up is the freeness of it, the strength of the kernel, and the already existing community. Use a newer kernel though, and with a codebase unified with the desktop codebase (for more, faster, better guaranteed updates) and you get a better mobile experience. >Use lineage Unironically I think all android users should use lineage, but this should evolve to be lineage’s successor spiritually.
Charles Phillips
>There've been the cases with Google employees doing it already Bullshit
Grayson Walker
The points you make are just like your background, theoretical. Scrolling is not just display rendering, just like wi-fi is not just theoretical speed and an audio circuit is not just a DAC. All of those things should work like you say IN THEORY, but in real life, do you expect that: 1) the CPU/GPU will be able to render all of the shit that modern webpages include? 2) the camera/audio design team of such a small project to be able to match the resources necessary for proper implementation? 3) the already outdated hardware to keep up with modern web, audio and most importantly, video standards? Don't give me the "they don't matter" bullshit.
The only thing that gives me hope about this thing is the smart TV SoC that they use, with strong media capabilities. I don't they will be able to implement everything properly though without resorting to closed source IP.
Gabriel Foster
Literally all of those things can be done with a 10yo Nokia dumbphone. Why do you even need a smartphone?
Owen Lewis
i would be if it ran some useful OS like Android without GApps, and maybe some advanced permission features like faking instead of blocking perms
Blake Martin
To use web based texting services, no other reason really Modern smartphones bloat poop
Lucas Allen
So you're shilling a 650$ device because your use case is the same as a 50 year old?
Jordan Bennett
>i would be if it ran some useful OS like Android without GApps You'll be able to install Android if you want. Will probably be Lineage OS available.
>and maybe some advanced permission features like faking instead of blocking perms Xposed with XPrivacyLua. Been a while since I last checked but I think max it supports is Oreo. It's still receiving security updates so I don't see any reason to upgrade to Pie.
Henry Edwards
Yeah and then I'd win a lawsuit and get rich The chance of that happening is practically 0.0000000001% anyways dude Even if 1 in 10000 Google employees does it, what are the chances he'll pick my data to steal, out of literally billions of others? Also encryption dude I don't like corporations having my data, but I understand I'm just a tiny little ant to them, a tiny little spec of data, a tiny little pixel on a huge stadium screen. No one is going to scrutinize my individual data, they just plug it into algorithms along others' If choosing between spreading my cheeks for corporations and having some peace of mind, I'll do that latter, but I'm not going to change my entire lifestyle for so little payoff
Alexander Thomas
>It can send text messages Yeah we had this feature 20 years ago and we stopped using it maybe 15 years ago. If my phone couldn't send SMS it might take me a long time to even notice. Only place I remember sending SMS to is a soda machine where you can pay with an SMS.
Nolan Morales
I use instant online messanging, im pretty sure thats what all the normies use it for
Nathan Ramirez
Well, you're wrong.
Nathaniel Morris
It can use almost any GNU/Linux distro. Besides, Purism also uses PureOS as its desktop distro, so they have an incentive to update it.
Brody Mitchell
Purism joined with (((PIA))). Purism is a CONFIRMED scam.
Jason Walker
>I'd win a lawsuit >against a $136 billion dollar a year company lol no you won't Tell me the dark secrets of PIA, user
Sebastian Jenkins
What else is it used for?
Joshua Murphy
I'm waiting for version 2.
Andrew Baker
The 10yo Nokia phone has proprietary software
Adam Scott
3rd post best post
Benjamin White
Have you heard of class action lawsuits you mongoloid?
Noah Edwards
YouTube, Netflix, social media (which relies greatly on decent cameras), streaming music, normies games like candy crush, mobile banking applications, calling an Uber. Do you live under a rock?
Charles Garcia
Instant messaging, with large scale exchange of photos (requires you to have a high quality camera or people will judge you on the quality of your photos before anything), on a bunch of different botnet platforms, which many agrue that you have a social obligation to use or face isolation as punishment.
They also use the phone as a navigation aid which you need because if you try to use a map people will get pissed and honk at you or even hit you for going too slow.
The phone also serves only source of music.
The phone must also scan barcodes, open .pdf files, send and receive email, take notes, record audio, and play video games.
and for a Jow Forums user, if it's not the best at these things, even if they despise doing things in this way, then it's shit.
I'm somewhat confident that the Librem 5 will be adequate, at least for its target audience. The CEO has said he founded the company for the purpose of making this happen, and the majority of tech companies would have plenty of reasons to hire shills to condemn it before it's even out.
>>- If you truly care about Free Software and privacy --> don't have a smartphone (I have a dumbphone) Do you seriously think that dumbphones are safe? >- If you have to have a phone and care about Free Software and privacy you are best with Replicant OS. PureOS is just as free as Replicant. Neither of them have any blobs. Both of them are even FSF endorsed. So the Librem 5 is better than a Samsung Galaxy S3 with Replicant, as far as the OS goes. >- If you cant put up with the limitations of Replicant OS (no wifi, no gps,...) You can use Wi-Fi with an OTG adapter. >you are better of using Lineage OS without Google. No you are not. Lineage OS still has propietary firmware/drivers in it. Besides, the Librem 5 has really good modem isolation, which most phones don't have. And it even has kill switches. >YouTube The Librem 5 will be able to use Invidious as a web app. >Netflix Uses propietary DRM, so don't even think about running it in a libre device. Besides, there's hundreds of piracy streaming services available, just use one. >social media Web apps. >(which relies greatly on decent cameras) No, they rely on keyboards. That's why they're "social". If a service existed that was only about the exchange of images, then it would be an image hosting site, not a social media platform. Also, the Librem 5 is a phone, not a camera. >streaming music, Web apps, and that's what digital music players (don't call them MP3s) are for. >normies games Just buy a games console. >mobile banking applications Just go to the bank dude. Or its website. >calling an Uber Any regular old phone can call a taxi. Why wouldn't the Librem 5 be able to?
Landon Russell
LineageOs with no gApps. You can install MicroG, a open-source gApps implementation if you need gcm, or leave it vanilla.
You're so autistic it hurts to read your posts. You'd rather get 3 individual devices which do a worse job and probably have worse support than a smartphone just to jerk off smugly at your self-important reflection of freeduhmz. You also refuse generic definitions just because they don't fit in your outdated vocabulary.
Honestly, just get that phone. You deserve your lonely fate. I hope you get ripped off by taxi drivers every time you leave your mother's basement.
Free software is often misinterpreted by non tech people. They think that freeware and free software are the same thing when they're clearly not, so I stopped using the term.
Camden Brooks
H-hur dur muh social medias!! Lmaoing at your life
Alexander Hall
I don't think you're going to like Jow Forums very much, user.
James Howard
>inb4 $649 is too much for a device that doesn't track you You're buying a piece of hardware that needs a phone plan to be of any actual use. Your phone provider can track you by triangulating your position via cell towers. If they can do that, the government and law enforcement can track you.
Josiah Richardson
Only third worlders use sms, they can't afford these phones
Josiah Richardson
>that needs a phone plan to be of any actual use. No. Who the fuck uses phone plans? Just buy some credit at a nearby kiosk. >You're so autistic it hurts to read your posts. I haven't been diagnosed as autistic. >You'd rather get 3 individual devices which do a worse job They do not. Their batteries last longer, they distract you less, and they don't track you. >and probably have worse support than a smartphone My camera uses SD cards for storage and snaps photos in the PNG format. I play Ogg Vorbis music in my digital music player, and it uses microSD cards. Everything supports that. >just to jerk off smugly at your self-important reflection of freeduhmz I don't jerk off smugly at it. In fact, I feel bad for you. Please start respecting your freedoms. >You also refuse generic definitions just because they don't fit in your outdated vocabulary Because those definitions are wrong and serve as promotion for a propietary format. >Honestly, just get that phone. Ok, thanks. >You deserve your lonely fate I'm not lonely. >I hope you get ripped off by taxi drivers Rude. And they don't rip me off, it's better refulated than Uber. >every time you leave your mother's basement. My mother is dead and she did not even have a basement when she was alive.
Christian Thomas
It relies on a SIM card and proprietary baseband. Therefore, your service provider and government have total access to everything on your phone. Therefore, it is not any more private than any other phone. QED.
Christopher Roberts
>Your phone provider can track you by triangulating your position via cell towers. If they can do that, the government and law enforcement can track you. >Therefore, your service provider and government have total access to everything on your phone. Therefore, it is not any more private than any other phone The baseband has a kill switch.
Noah Davis
>$649 >worse specs than a $100 android phone EL EM AY OH
Aiden Collins
Without phone service of some kind, you're only capable of making emergency calls. The provider of your phone service can track you by triangulating your position in relation to the cell towers you're using.
Cool, see above.
Joshua Walker
>your service provider and government have total access to everything on your phone Incorrect. This phone has a separate CPU and baseband, for precisely that reason; to prevent unauthorized access to your data. Plus, it has a hardware kill switch that physically disconnects the power.
Easton Robinson
>Without phone service of some kind, you're only capable of making emergency calls What do you mean by "phone service"? I just buy SIM cards from niggers in the metro. >he provider of your phone service can track you by triangulating your position in relation to the cell towers you're using. When I want to make a call, I turn the modem on. When I don't, I turn it off. Therefore I'm only tracked when I make calls.
Jace Jenkins
You clearly don't understand the purpose of this phone.
It's like this phone is a bulletproof amphibious vehicle that takes 10 seconds to get to 60MPH and only gets 20MPG, and you're like "lol, a Prius is faster and more efficient, what a useless piece of shit!"
The people who want this kind of device don't care much about those specs, and if you do then you aren't the target audience.
Kayden Brooks
I've been lurking here since 2007. I like the idea of free/open-source software and I support it whenever possible (7zip, freenas, ffmpeg, opus, mpv, etc), but i also understand its limitations in the modern world. It just triggers me sometimes that retards like the one above, for which the gubirnment, google and service providers already know which way they wipe their ass pretend like they're some digital freedom fighters, when in fact all they do is sound like they never had a real job. Just look at him go again . I bet he'd be completely okay with taking out his open sores phone out in public with 3 dongles attached to it because he discovered a binary blob in the wi-fi driver just to watch it crash while trying to make a phone call.
He asked what normies do with their phones. I have a legitimate list, which was autistically broken down with alternatives that no normie would ever touch. Don't blame me for having a social life. I don't like the state we are in right now, but it's already too late.
Austin White
I'm buying it because of it being a Linux smartphone and not because "muh privacy" (but that's nice too). It being a full Linux distro means it has pretty much the most user freedom of any modern phone by design.
Thomas Scott
>GNOME >Lagging interface >Proprietary blobs No, thank you.
Camden Sullivan
>normal people: buy a car >autists on Jow Forums: what? it can't drive on water, or withstand gunfire from high calibre rifles? what a useless piece of shit
Jacob Miller
Learned helplessness, slave mentality, sheeps to the slaughter.
Coward.
James Hughes
>- If you truly care about Free Software and privacy --> don't have a smartphone (I have a dumbphone) What a fucking retard.
Austin Butler
I supported the Kickstarter, so I'm hoping they improve the device past the awful prototype they demoed.
Wyatt Bennett
I fucking hate GNU's gatekeeping over these terms.
When normies hear "free software", they think free as in $0.
When normies hear " open source", they think the source is available to read and the project is PROBABLY free (unless there's a dual license model).
"Free as in freedom" is cool and all, but it's incredibly misleading.
Kayden Reed
cryptos.im
There are dozens of countries that sell SIMs without requiring ID.
Christian Rodriguez
I really want it to be good, but I don't want to spend that much money on a preorder that might not even work. I have no idea how hardware killswitches impact the usecase of the phone. What is the bootup time of the entire phone? What is the recovery time from one of those killswitches? Can I turn on the camera and take a picture right away because anything else is useless. Can I text a person who doesn't sign up whatever service it uses? Can I call a person who doesn't sign up or installs something? Can I plug the phone into a usb-c dock and use an external monitor and keyboard? Does it use a ROM or can you fix problems without nuke and pave? Can I run gentoo on it and how much more stable would running gentoo be than android (android being the worst case scenario for an OS I can think of) How much money do I have to invest into a phone to get one just like it, but it also have an alarm clock that can turn the phone on and play a song as well as wake up and play a song from a turned on state?
Benjamin Ortiz
seck ice burn breh
Matthew Sanchez
I use 3 smartphones and none of them have a SIM card or a phone plan. Why the fuck are you still living in 2005?
Oliver Hill
You're just a spec of dust on this planet, your opinion doesn't matter.
Jeremiah Gonzalez
Honestly i just want EOMA to work so i can make my own
Levi Hill
>Hardware killswitches for microphone, cameras and other sensors *records you using gyroscope data* nothin personnell kid
Ryan Anderson
What did you mean by this >What is the recovery time from one of those killswitches? 0 seconds >Can I turn on the camera and take a picture right away because anything else is useless. Yes. >Can I text a person who doesn't sign up whatever service it uses? >Can I call a person who doesn't sign up or installs something? Yes and Yes. >Can I plug the phone into a usb-c dock and use an external monitor and keyboard? Yes. >Does it use a ROM or can you fix problems without nuke and pave? >Can I run gentoo on it and how much more stable would running gentoo be than android (android being the worst case scenario for an OS I can think of) It doesn't run Android at all. It comes with PureOS, a fully libre FSF endorsed Debian fork. And you can install your own distro too. >but it also have an alarm clock that can turn the phone on and play a song as well as wake up and play a song from a turned on state? Why would you want that?
Blake Peterson
I'm agreeing with you, I was just being a shit :^)
Dylan Walker
>0 seconds Wait until the final product has been shipped before making those kinds of claims.
Austin Watson
No cause it's dead on arrival already. Shit decisions all around especially for a "pRiVaCy FoCuSeD pHoNe". And 649$ for a fucking dev kit while the finished phone will cost 699$? Fuck off nigger.
Jack Gray
Yeah, that's all well and good, it's just that it hasn't been released yet. But has been delayed three times so far.
Gavin Phillips
Purism's laptops have almost no delay on their killswitches. invidio.us/watch?v=osojw-T_lGI Why would the Librem 5 be any different?