Alibaba founder defends overtime work culture as 'huge blessing'

I'll have a raff when China manages to pull off a demographic crisis in a single generation because they decided to go right from sustenance farming to western style coed wage slaving in the span of thirty years.

Have you been in china? they have no morals. im not kidding. they are like robots.

China is vastly more capitalistic than America. Lower income tax rates, little to no pension obligations, non-existent or non-enforced safety rules or pesky red tape, what's not to like? It would an anarcho-capitalist wet dream if it wasn't for the small fact that the government in power is a one-party system overseeing a police state.

So basically just like silicon valley

But that would mean socialism. Quelle horreur. Fucking Americans are retarded.

No not at all, what you have in silicon valley is greed. what you have in china is a whole population without morals or manners. They are not like us.

Amazon work culture is the same - work till you drop and then some

Is this paid or unpaid overtime? Huge difference

>mfw companies think that "More Man-hours == more productivity/project gets done faster"

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I've seen enough gore videos to know that Chinks value life even less than Americans so it's no surprise that working people to the grave is not seen as a problem.

a lot of middle-managers and MBAs think that a lot, it's very common.
Then they'll just cut the number of programmers/developers to "bring down the overhead" and then hire dozens of Sales and Marketing staff.

Depends. If you're working for just their sorting facilities it's pretty easy work. It's part time of course but still

Your progeny will enjoy it retard

Trying to unionize in a corporation that specializes in mass surveillance and analytics is a guarantee that the union would be infiltrated and completely under corporate control almost instantly.
They'd get a few token pieces of relief here and there but it would be nowhere near the compensation or freedom they expected with how much they paid for their degrees.
Rather than unionize, they should form militia. Really paranoid militia that kills suspected rats as soon as they start to smell them. Unions don't have very good ways of dealing with sellouts and spies like that.

At some point, I expect more money per hour for overtime. When free time becomes rarer, it gets more valuable. Supply and demand, bitches. Not that overworking your employees is beneficial in the first place.

What kind of progeny are you supposed to have when that's your schedule? Your bosses kids don't count.

>“Let me ask everyone, if you don’t put out more time and energy than others, how can I achieve the success I want?”
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Then don't work for a company that expects you to work overtime. What's the problem?

Yes. Capitalism, in China. Why do you think Hollywood and SillyValley are doing their level best to play ball with Xi Jingping?

China just doesn't get it. They want to be competitive but they don't understand the meaning of the word. It thinks "capitalism" means no-regulations, cheap resources, and cheap labor. Even though those are all signs of poor capital.

If you work harder and your work is shit then you haven't produced more capital, you've produced more shit.

But that's OK, people want cheap shit. You know, as long as it's not anything important or anything they care about.

He's a short sighted moron. Most companies are these days.

If you work people to hard they will have less time to spend with other people, feel unhappy, drop productivity and the worst thing: have less kids.

Look at Japan and their work mentality, they work themselves to death and stopped having kids. The nation will be in freefall once the old generation dies off.

This guy has no vision. He's doing what the board wants.

Overtime working is only justified if you work for your own company or get nice compensation. Otherwise you got baited into working for an already rich asshole while he feeds you with empty phrases like "work hard".

you can work 996 or even 24/7 when it's your business, your baby, when you paint your own painting, when your decide what to do what not to do, otherwise you're nothing but a slave with a paycheck

Meanwhile in burgerland, liberals want $15/hour so they can work three days a week and collect government checks for their made-up disabilities. This is why the west will lose to China and India

there are zero businesses that concern themselves with the nation, unless it's to squash their competitors or to grease hands.

>Look at Japan and their work mentality, they work themselves to death and stopped having kids.
Ironically, their fertility rate is higher than even South Korea's

I have heard from many Japanese that they don't really work that much. They waste a lot of time at work and then the big problem is that they are often expected to go drinking afterwards.

The problem is when OTHER companies see this and start pushing their workers this hard, just because they can, or all meet up and mutually agree to keep raising their hours so that there's nowhere else they can go that's any better.
This is a fundamental problem with modern society. Increasingly the only permissible option to resolving a conflict between you and someone or something else is to run away. Those with power know this (they organized things this way after all), and now they're working to take away places you can run to, by destroying families, eliminating competition, forbidding you from defending yourself until you're seriously injured, forcing you to live in apartments with only one entrance or exit, and enslaving you with debt.

if the US feels threatened in any significant way, they'll instill our culture over there.

Once the bugmen get a taste of rights, it's a slippery slope.

Well he is right in the sense that both USA and China, who share this work culture, have the biggest tech companies in the world.

Meanwhile, the European Union, with its more humane working conditions, hasn't produced a tech company that can compete with the big ones from China or the USA.

cringe

Americans should be euthanized

and you will be replaced by the migrants from poor countries - they are willing to work more for lesser pay, globalism ho!

>soulless ching chongs behaving like soulless ching chongs and working their workers to death?
Exactly what was supposed to surprise me about this?

I can't wait until my employer forces 72hr work weeks then I can thank my boss for the opportunity while he has sex with my wife.

EU would need to federalize, and probably adopt one official language to compete. Needless to say, that's never going to happen.

dumbfuck american liberal detected

This. The freedom of choosing your employer is a myth. You're alone, they're organized, you lose.

work harder faggot so your boss can afford enough money to please your wife

If what I've also heard here is true, the commuter culture is also a massive time sink for them. I've also heard that their work ethic was real in the past but now isn't because while they tried really hard for a while they eventually saw it wasn't going to get them ahead because other countries just had too many people over them.
China doesn't have quite the same nationalistic motivation but they are afraid enough of their government to produce a different strong motivation.

South Koreans work longer and have more strict schools than Japanese.

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EU still has some ok companies.
Also don't underestimate political reasons and the US general cultural power in the west. It's simply much easier for a European to accept a US product than the other way around. Can you imagine Americans using a Swedish FaceBook?

China just copies most shit, but they have a huge market and just forbid competitors from entering. They don't innovate any more than Europeans.

>It's simply much easier for a European to accept a US product than the other way around. Can you imagine Americans using a Swedish FaceBook?

Says who? You're own internal bias? If a Swedish company or guy came up with Facebook first before Zuckerberg, why wouldn't Americans use it, especially if it's ubiquitous. From what I've seen, Spotify (a Swedish company) is pretty damn popular in America despite competition from Apple Music.

isn't Spotify Swedish?

lol

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And China still has more mandatory paid holidays then the US

Geez, no wonder snips is such a pain in the ass.

Just because it says that on paper, doesn't mean companies do that in real life.

Germany works the least hours in the OECD and still has less children than Japan. There is no correlation.

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Americans used to go crazy over European products. It often was used as a selling point. Maybe it's different with software but I doubt it would be much of an issue. Also, a lot of the massive tech companies in the US isn't a success for the nation but a failure at preventing monopolies.

People simply don't want children. Germany also has pretty ok kindergardens and financial support when you have children.
Also People say it's about money too, but richer people have fewer children. It's just a psychological or cultural thing.

>less
Wrong, 1,5 children per German woman while it's 1,44 for Japanese.

>Also, a lot of the massive tech companies in the US isn't a success for the nation but a failure at preventing monopolies.
this.
I've read somewhere that the rate of starting new businesses is like at a 50-year low in America.
Doesn't help when these tech companies capture the regulators and Congressmen and Senators through donations.
Just look at the donations Microsoft, Apple and Facebook give at OpenSecrets.org

"Made in Germany" was a big reason to buy German products especially industrial machines, not sure if it's still like that now.

I feel like the German automobile industry has taken a couple of hits recently. But "German engineering" is usually still respected, I think.

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>Alibaba founder defends overtime work culture as 'huge blessing'
well it is huge blessing for him for sure

German cars ARE overpriced shit. They're the apple version of the cars. I'm german myself and I drive nip cars because they're easy to fix and they keep the bullshit level low. I wish German car industry would stop sniffing their own deluxe farts and produce reliable, bullshit free cars again.

>Ok, this is based. Do you agree?
what am I missing here?
am I an evil person if I just want to do my job, well, for 9 to 5 and then do whatever the fuck I want? why should I waste my best years working like a slave for some rich cunts to whom I'm nothing more than a number, instead of spending time with ppl that actually love me?

fuck americans, fuck chinks, fuck niggers, fuck jews and fuck whoever thinks like this.
Fucking kill yourselves fucking cunts.

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I have a BMW, it's a steaming heap of shit. I'm sure the engine design and drivetrain are all superbly crafted, but the software is straight up trash. There are so many problems with acceleration, sudden jerking forward while slowly accelerating, suddenly losing power, even had the acceleration problem checked at the dealership once and during the test drive something fucked up and it cracked the engine block. They keep adding on all these retarded features like turning off the engine at a complete stop and restarting once you take your foot off the brakes to save fuel and all sorts of other idiotic shit it just makes you want to scream.

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Yeah, I once had a BMW M3 E46 and had constantly problems with internal parts of the car. And apparently everyone else had problems with the fucking steering chain. The engine was fine.

Just imagine being his worker and believing this.

There are very few goys in china who are ready yo invest in your new onions startup to get scammed so people had to actually work hard to achieve something

As human beings, we already spend half of our lives asleep; out of the other half, we spend too much of it doing shit we don't actually enjoy, just to survive. Humanity has come to a point where this shouldn't be necessary.

If I had my way, we'd all get living wages for working 20 hours a week. Whether working for a private enterprise, or directly for the government, it shouldn't matter. We should at least be able to survive comfortably. There are problems in many areas with unemployment; if the work week was half as long, companies could simply employ more people and/or pay overtime to anyone willing to work more than the typical shift. If healthcare was provided by the government and pharmaceutical companies were government owned & operated, we could free private enterprises from the burden of providing healthcare. Those who provide essential services like maintaining our infrastructure, providing healthcare, researching new technologies, or educating the youth should be the most respected members of society and be compensated the most. Trading stocks or running a business isn't useful to humanity.

The main problems with our current society are the price of housing and education. Our young should not be burdened with a lifetime of debt. Before they've even begun living their own lives, we saddle them with the cost of rent/mortgage and college loans for an education which they may not even find effective or useful. More and more young people are now deciding to live with their parents indefinitely due to financial concerns. This is a worrying trend. Education and housing should be freely available to all. If we eliminate that financial and mental burden, everyone can pursue their true goals without fear of the consequences.

Is this reddit posting? Fuck off faggot.

Fuck off kid, I've been on this shitty anime site's technology board since Inuyasha started airing. I will continue posting my unpopular opinions and you will deal with it.

> being able to work 996 is a huge blessing
True. Not everybody can do it.
This user summed it up. It's OK for the business owner to work long hours, it is OK for him to motivate others like that, but only fools will fall for that BS when working for somebody else.

srsly how is a communist country so good at capitalism? US big money from 100 years ago would blush

>inuyasha
Your taste in anime is shit as your commie fantasies. You have to go back.

Never said it was a good anime. I simply used it as a time marker, because that was the start of my journey discovering anime (and this site). Everybody loved that shit when they were a teenager, even if they don't admit it. Not to mention, the beginning was actually good before it turned into the repetitive trash that it ended up being.

It may be nice for him but he doesn't account for the issue of massive burnout that has increasingly become a problem in the China tech industry. Sure they can probably churn through people but continuously culling experience from your workforce isn't exactly a winning proposition in the long run, especially in a 'high skill' industry.

Only one problem, he is asking for employees to slave themselves for their employers.
Work for enrich yourself, it's logic.
Work for enrich someone else and be ill paid, is madness (or capitalism).

THE BOTNET DON'T WANT ME TO SLEEP

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Actually it's communism. In capitalism you work only if you get money. In communism you either work or you get forced to work in gulags.

>work half as much, then you get half the pay
wouldn't it be a fourth of the pay

>Americans

Housing is a huge money sink and limited availability leads to lengthy commute times. It's strange how many laws there are that forbid you for example from just sleeping in your car or pitching up a tent in public lands. Commutes are soul draining stuff.

Based Chink

typical amway-herbalife event

once I have been jewed from a guy to attend in one of these pyramid-scheme meetings he told me that it was a 'seminar' about ''''''''marketing''''''' and because I own a pizzeria I was very interested and went there and I saw the exact same shit! people clapping like retards and the curators trying to convice the new comers that is a legit buisness using the term network marketing, what a fucking clowns they gave me good laughs

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Fuck off commie. For most of history people lived with their parents until they got married. 12 years of free education is more than enough to function in society. We don't need to waste money so people can spend 4 years of their life studying African finger painting.

You're an idiot. Go to china for yourself and actually meet real Chinese people. They are actually civilized and understand the importance of a work ethic

>It's strange how many laws there are that forbid you for example from just sleeping in your car or pitching up a tent in public lands.

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correction
old researcher changs have no morals or manners
young engineers, they're normal people, ask what they think about jews and america, it's great

Unpaid overtime: Not OK
Paid overtime: OK

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colleges don't deserve students.

The reason for this is ultimately because Thomas Malthus was right
Humans just keep breeding, which ensures the capital stock never goes up even though there is technological advancement.
This is clearly still the case even in China, where they had a 1 child policy.

The brain doesn't really finish maturing until age 21, which is why we don't let people drink until then. People graduate highschool around age 17-18, which is too young, then we force them to fork out a boatload of money or go into debt to attend college/university if they want to go anywhere in life. That's quite frankly abhorrent.

There's no need for college to exist when we could simply add grades 13-16. Rather than give everybody the same education (which is retarded), kids should be tested for aptitude, grouped according to ability, and asked what they want to do when they grow up, then have them attend classes which correspond to these factors. This would continue throughout their early years, so late bloomers would still have a chance to shine and climb the ranks. Then they could really start down their chosen paths during their highschool years, and finally master their abilities and prepare to enter society in the "college" grades.

Those students who are truly lacking in intelligence and ability shouldn't be discriminated against, but neither can we treat them the same as young prodigies. The world isn't fair, but we don't have to punish people for being unable to keep up; there are plenty of careers that such people can excel in. If they really are inept, we can simply put them on paths which only require practice, like athletics, utility jobs, construction, the military, etc.