The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

Why not both?

>Why not both?
Humans need a life in contact with nature and manual work

iPads in public gardens are not enough

>why do you assume the worst is yet to come, when we make our own future?

because the world is run by people with immearuable power, who dont have our best interests at heart

If you wanna be a farm boy all power to you but I'm doing great without shoveling shit every day.

Stop watching porn!

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>The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
Cool and a genius level mathematician thought he would solve that by mailing bombs to random people he's never seen in his life? That's where the mentally ill part comes in I guess.

Ok, why not a future of a sustainable ecotopia ala the Venus Project with along with automation there is also large value placed towards self sufficiency and being stewards of the planet, growing our own food etc. Just put your ipad onto a DNI HUD and watch youtube in the corner of your eye while tilling your fields. It's a win win.

As much as I tend to agree with you, you have to realize there are also "good" people on top too, working for our best interests. No one is truly in control of this planet, except for the spirit of Gaia, and even she probably has a hard time, much like and given human has their own bodily/mental/spiritual troubles.

People are actually moving away from major cities due to high rent and homeless druggies infestation

"The industrial-technological system may survive or it may break down. If it survives, it MAY eventually achieve a low level of physical and psychological suffering, but only after passing through a long and very painful period of adjustment and only at the cost of permanently reducing human beings and many other living organisms to engineered products and mere cogs in the social machine. Furthermore, if the system survives, the consequences will be inevitable: There is no way of reforming or modifying the system so as to prevent it from depriving people of dignity and autonomy."
You didn't even read the second paragraph of Industrial Society and Its Future?

Ok, but why? It never actually says why "There is no way of reforming or modifying the system so as to prevent it from depriving people of dignity and autonomy.", it just states it. I agree that there will probably be a span of time where things get worse, but that really only if we let it. I don't expect everyone to go gung-ho ecotopian, but if enough people stop acting like fools we might actually do some good.

Because, in Kaczynski's mind at least, one of the strongest drives humans have, and the one that provides people with their sense of dignity and autonomy -- the power process -- is something that the system can only ever actively undermine: the system providing one with some goal to make an effort toward is still the system providing everything for you, which defeats the purpose. I think it boils down to two conclusions Uncle Ted has drawn. One, that surrogate activities like mathematics, pursuing status and fame, accruing material wealth, etc. aren't "real" to him; the only activities that concern him are survival and small-scale, tribal socialization. Two, that even if you could trick yourself into finding fulfillment in a surrogate activity, being so enmeshed within a huge organized society still isn't autonomous; the only social structures he's concerned with are tribes, or villages at most.
The strongest counterargument to his ideas that I can think of is to attack these assertions. Personally, I find that as long as the power process is fulfilled, and if I have at least some tribe I can belong to -- for me, it's me family -- I don't particularly care if I'm trapped in "the system." If anything, a daily struggle to obtain the essentials of life just means I'm trapped in nature, which isn't necessarily much better in my opinion. Attacking the very idea of freedom, a la Stirner, is also a decent route.

They weren't just random people. They were the perpetrators of the disaster of modern life. Airline owners,some engineer writing code in uni, wait what? Haha you are right but you gotta admit it was all pretty rad

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>as long as the power process is fulfilled, and if I have at least some tribe I can belong to -- for me, it's me family -- I don't particularly care if I'm trapped in "the system."
GOOD GOY

There's more people than ever, they enjoy a higher standard of living on average, and they live longer.
Yeah real disastrous

>they enjoy a higher standard of living on averag
Must be why drugs and Xanax consumption is through the roof

Mmmmm

He didn't think he could solve it, that's the entire point: It can't be solved. There's no "solution", it's a train that's gone off the rails speeding towards its inevitable end. That's the big gist of his manifesto, that there IS no solution. What Ted wanted was to get enough people aware of the WHY society fucked up that when it eventually came to its (as he saw it) inevitable conclusion, that there would be enough people left over that knew where society went wrong that some of them (because Ted's ideal vision of the world, and he readily admits this, is one where most people die before 30) would, through sheer luck, survive and reproduce and spread his message and prevent this from reoccurring.

Ted Kaczynski isn't mentally ill in the sense that his brain isn't working right, rather his "mental illness" is a slander by the US Federal Government to denote that it is unacceptable to hold views aligned with his and that doing so will be punished.

he wasnt a rational actor, he was a serial killer, you fucking retard

>Ted Kaczynski isn't mentally ill in the sense that his brain isn't working right
That is always defined by society.

Gays were mentally ill mere decades ago

>Killing bad
>Slaving for master good
Grug moves rocks
Grug gets paid in shells
Shells buy fruit
Grug happy

>one of the strongest drives humans have, and the one that provides people with their sense of dignity and autonomy -- the power process -- is something that the system can only ever actively undermine
if that were true then the system wouldn't exist because nobody would have had any incentive to develop it

you can stop at the "killing bad" part, everything after that is your own projection
nobody who kills other people has the best interests of anyone at heart

>They weren't just random people. They were the perpetrators of the disaster of modern life. Airline owners,some engineer writing code in uni, wait what? Haha you are right but you gotta admit it was all pretty rad
Oh, fuck off. He mailed bombs to university professors and graduates.

>you can stop at the "killing bad" part, everything after that is your own projection
>nobody who kills other people has the best interests of anyone at heart

So killing Nazis is bad?

yes

Lol

if you think murder is justifiable you should have no problem with the nazis anyway

>if you think murder is justifiable you should have no problem with the nazis anyway
I don't indeed
I was just testing your consistency of morals.

>I was just testing your consistency of morals.
Pointless coming from a psychopath or a pretend psychopath.

so because they're consistent there's something funny about it?
go back to Jow Forums
better yet get yourself banned, you sound underage

The term you're looking for is sociopath

It's funny that your morals tell you it's bad to kill people who would be after you

I actually applaud your consistency

Whatever.

Your brain on Jow Forums -the self improvement part-

no reason a nazi would be after me
but there's different degrees of bad, killing in self defense is probably the least bad, killing innocent people for no reason like this guy is one of the worst
he didn't even accomplish anything apart from getting some random edgelord on Jow Forums to keep making these threads

>, killing innocent people for no reason like this guy
They were complicit and big actors in the system Ted was against.

>big actors in the system
they were university professors dipshit
despite what many people think, people in academia have very little influence over anything
Not that there's anyone you COULD kill to make ""industrial society"" somehow collapse

Humans are the disease, the industrial revolution is the beginning of the cure.

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Did you stop reading my post halfway in?

>Venus project
Literally incompatible with human nature

This. Also, history is cyclical.
Some degree of technology is not necessarily bad. But looking at the way we live today, we have strayed too far from our natural ways of living.

>This. Also, history is cyclical.
No

Just because you see analogies it doesn't mean it's cyclical

So was Hillary Clinton by that definition, and yet you voted for her.

That's completely different, you retard. The people Hillary Clinton had killed deserved to die, while the people the fucking UNABOMBER had killed didn't.

Fuck off you dirty, diseased hippy.

literal wave of Ted threads after (((that))) reddit post about him

link pls

>Did you stop reading my post halfway in?
>Kaczynski's first mail bomb was directed at Buckley Crist, a professor of materials engineering at Northwestern University.
>The initial 1978 bombing was followed by bombs sent to airline officials, and in 1979 a bomb was placed in the cargo hold of American Airlines Flight 444, a Boeing 727 flying from Chicago to Washington, D.C. A faulty timing mechanism prevented the bomb from exploding. Authorities said it had enough power to "obliterate the plane" had it exploded.
>The first serious injury occurred in 1985, when John Hauser, a graduate student and captain in the United States Air Force, lost four fingers and vision in one eye.
>Hugh Scrutton, a 38-year-old Sacramento, California, computer store owner, was killed in 1985 by a nail-and-splinter-loaded bomb placed in the parking lot of his store. A similar attack against a computer store occurred in Salt Lake City, Utah, on February 20, 1987. The bomb, which was disguised as a piece of lumber, injured Gary Wright when he attempted to remove it from the store's parking lot.
>In 1993, after a six-year break, Kaczynski mailed a bomb to David Gelernter, a computer science professor at Yale University.
>In the same weekend, Kaczynski mailed a bomb to the home of Charles Epstein from the University of California, San Francisco, who lost several fingers upon opening it.
>In 1994, Burson-Marsteller executive Thomas J. Mosser was killed by a mail bomb sent to his home in North Caldwell, New Jersey.
Yeah man, those people totally deserved it and he definitely didn't send bombs to university graduates and professors because the second horseshit part of your post.
>They weren't just random people. They were the perpetrators of the disaster of modern life. Airline owners,some engineer writing code in uni, wait what? Haha you are right but you gotta admit it was all pretty rad
Yeah man, powerful stuff.

>those people totally deserved it
Glad we could come to an agreement

Fuck off with this meme. People used alcohol and tobacco back in ye good old days to keep themselves sane. The only reason we're seeing so much medication is because people drink and smoke less

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whatever people die everyday. It's irelevant how many people he killed and if they "deserved" (whatever the fuck that means) or not. What matters is that his conclusions are correct and that majority of people would be much more happy and satisified living in pre-industrial society.

>Ted Kaczynski isn't mentally ill in the sense that his brain isn't working right
I'd say that if a genius level mathematician and a Harvard professor thought he could fix modern society by mailing bombs to random people he never met that at least some part of his brain wasn't working right.
>That is always defined by society.
>Gays were mentally ill mere decades ago
Are you from 1954? And it's not really fair for gay people to be called mentally ill, because their sexual orientation which is determined without anyone's actions does not make them serial killers.

>thought he could fix modern society
You missed his intentions

No wonder, on the other hand

>homicidal maniac.

>The people Hillary Clinton had killed deserved to die

>it's not really fair for gay people to be called mentally ill, because their sexual orientation which is determined without anyone's actions does not make them serial killers
there's no need to kill homos, but their deviancy should be discouraged trough social ostricism.

>agreeing with an obvious sarcastic remark
Guess this is your brain on pretend psychopathy.
>whatever people die everyday.
So, kill random people to achieve your goals then? Nothing wrong with that, right? How insane actually are you?
>It's irelevant how many people he killed and if they "deserved" (whatever the fuck that means) or not
Deserved and whatever the fuck that means? I mean it's pointless asking a psychopath or a pretend psychopath why they'd kill people, so, whatever.
>What matters is that his conclusions are correct and that majority of people would be much more happy and satisified living in pre-industrial society.
Great. Why couldn't he just have stopped at his manifesto and his conclusions then? I know, and everyone sane knows - because the was not sane.

> 1in 8 gays has aids
>They keep spreading it
>Not serial killers
Ok

Anyway Ted wanted to ring the alarm bell, not fix society

You didn't get my sarcasm

Imagine being such a moral faggot bugman. You probably think that killing is never justified and that all people are equal and deserve equal rights?

Let me guess, because Jesus or Muhammad said so, right?
> 1in 8 gays has aids
Source?
>They keep spreading it
Not to non-gay people though. Also - source?
>Not serial killers
>Ok
Give something other than bullshit conclusions and word of mouth or don't, because this has nothing to do with the topic of the thread.
>Anyway Ted wanted to ring the alarm bell, not fix society
Great. Why kill people then?

>hey guys, it's fine to kill people
>deserved it, pffht, kill all them fuckers
>no bro, it was sarcasm, it's a prank bro, it's a social experiment
Yeah, great.

>Not to not gay people
So it's okay??? Wtf

all people except for nazis, nazis are not people. Bad people are always nazis, thus killing of bad people is always justified. 's easy man.

Let me guess, you think that homos are normal because you were told this since your birth, right?

Sure it is when you make a strawman and argue against something I never even implied.

standard.co.uk/news/health/one-in-seven-sexually-active-gay-men-in-london-lives-with-hiv-including-over-4000-people-who-dont-a3409406.html

gotta break few eggs to make an omlet. Doesn't mean its fine to kill people for no reason or purpose.

I'm not nazi, but since i'm white straight male, i dont have anything against them. Now jews, commies, and beta-whites - these parasites should be exterminated asap.

> 7 billion people
> Someone kills like 8 to make his message read
> B-but killing bad((((((

If anything, these reactions prove he was right about how sick people are in this system

BASED. We modern people are too shelterd from nature.

I mean, it's pointless to argue about morality or killing against a psychopath or a pretend psychopath, so, yeah man, you're totally right. Just kill everyone. All the wars humanity has been in surely did us all a lot of good.

Black and white thinking is a symptom of autism

>All the wars humanity has been in surely did us all a lot of good.
All wars were necessary.

fuck off nazi

>All the wars humanity has been in surely did us all a lot of good.
>All wars were necessary.
As I said:
>it's pointless to argue about morality or killing against a psychopath or a pretend psychopath

My point. Nobody ITT acted like the living stereotype you're currently pretending to be. You just assumed they were because you're literally autistic

>I mean, it's pointless to argue about morality or killing against a psychopath or a pretend psychopath, so, yeah man, you're totally right
You are using word "psychopath" in the same way mainstream uses word "nazi". To label opponent as "bad" without actually considering his opinions.

>you are meanie poo poo head
Fucking children.....

>in the same way mainstream uses word "nazi"
There's that black and white thinking again

wew lad, your insecurity just flows out

I'm also saying pretend psychopath, because this is Jow Forums after all. And what do you call people who are born without any regard for morality or empathy other than psychopaths?

shalom!

>UHHHH ackchually I'm not representing this worldview, it's you who just think black and white. No I'm not defending myself UHH ackchually I'm somewhere in the middle of defending myself. No I'm not labeling people I uhhhh ackchually somewhere in the middle of labeling. You are in fact autistic because I learned of binary thinking today and am very smart XDDD

Good argument

>people on Jow Forums crying over 8 literally who's dead
>Meanwhile missing out on the fact that industrial society and technology is killing the whole humanity and planet

I've been on this site too long to witness it becoming Facebook

Jow Forums's far worse than Facebook. It's become what people who hate reddit think reddit is

t. Reddit

We make war so that we may have peace.

But you dont make your own future. The power process has been disrupted in your individual lives. There are only a small group of bourgeoisie who actually make all important decisions. You only follow the rails set for you in this large social machine. The progress of technology will only serve to make these matters worse. If they do improve the human condition, it would be though modification and engineering of human beings to be able to tolerate even more of the stress that's brought by technology. You technophiles always say the same thing. You naively shout how you will fix all of the problems inherent to the system, you will stop war and famine and hunger, and discontentment. However in reality the stress on human beings has become increasingly more acute compared to our primitive ancestors, and it will continue to be so. It would be better to tear the whole system down to a degree where it could not repair itself.