SpaceX's Starlink

How will cheap, ubiquitious satellite Internet access though Starlink and its competitors affect the Internet? Will it put pressure on traditional ISPs to compete? Will it support Internet freedom?

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There is no way it can compete in Europe it's already dirt cheep. And now with 5g can even right that for rural areas ?

You have a point, if Europe continues to try to regulate internet access it will start looking more attractive.

Well of they want to sell the product in Europe it will still be regulated. So even that is not really a puls

>cheap, ubiquitious satellite Internet access though Starlink
That's not what starlink is though, iirc it's pretty much sat internet 2.0, high latency, low down and upload rates and very limited amount of connections at the same time, any old DSL blows it out of the water.

Satelite internet will always be high latency, the satelite is just too far away and the speed of light is a constant.

At best it just means more retarded people on the internet because of easier accessibility. At worst it just means yet another shitty satellite internet provider.

But it is exactly what Starlink is supposed to be. They're not interested in the old 500+ ms latency for their internet. They're interested in the sub 20-30 ms latency from home to satellite and sub 70 ms across the global connection(That's faster than current copper/fiber implementation). They are planning on offering Gigabit at competitive pricing for wider market. For the US market, its going to be a win for rural/cities with very little competitions.

The newest of the "old satellites" are orbiting around 5500 KM from earth. That's ~40 ms delay. Old satellites companies like Dish network have their satellites at ~35K KM. That's the ~222 MS latency satellites. That's the satellite you guys are familiar with.

SpaceX's Satellites will reside from 500 KM-1100KM. Giving 4ms(complete handshake) latency to 7 ms latency.

They're a vastly different breed of satellites.

You're asking for miracles user.

The satellite might pack an antenna sensitive enough to pick up your phones signal, but your phone will not have one sensitive enough to pick up the satellites signal.

And then there's the issue of data throughput on the satellites part, a 4g node in a random city can be overwhelmed by a few hundred phones at the same time going online, the satellite flying over New York would be expected to handle on its own hundreds of thousands, you need a full data center for that amount of data flowing through the wires but the satellites are just micro sats with commercial grade equipment.

This will be for specialist needs and remote regions, not for the average phone user.

Someone posted this some time ago and I saved it for reference, I think the numbers are off in some manner, but still valid enough,


Hughesnet uses 2 main sats now; which has increased their bandwidth and speed a great deal, but they still cap data and bandwidth like hungry Jews. The last one launched last year, "EchoStar XIX" operates in geostationary orbit, at a longitude of 97.1 degrees west.

EchoStar XIX
>35,783.80km altitude

EchoStar XVII
>35,782.19km altitude

Their old one,

>35786.80km altitude

Since SpaceX's Starlink will have 12,000 satellites (fug) as its network they must be very very close to the Earth. Officially between, "1,110km and 1,325km." Compare that to the ISS at 422km and Iridium-104 at 780km. The air travel (bird fly) shortest distance from United States to Europe is 7,895.1 km. Total round trip distance for Starlink communications would be 2,220km to 2,650km.

Geo orbit lag time is 240ms - 279ms for the round trip.
Starlink lag time would be less than 10ms round trip.

>Starlink lag time would be less than 10ms round trip.
The data is not reflected from the satellite though, it enters the satellite through the antenna and is processed which too takes some ms.

Starlink setup requires an active phased array antenna. Satellite internet for phones are beyond the scope of this discussion as right now its mainly limited to home broadband capability.

Yeah, it looks like just distance lag stats, but doesn't include processing lags and routing since those could be anything from near light speed to days depending on how good or shitty the hardware is.

Christ. Are we sure this isn't some special defence system or population enslavement thing.

It's for enslavement allright - bread and games, the oldest and most effective kind of enslavement.

There's also 4 or 5 other such projects happening.

True enough.

It will only cause ISPs to compete if it's completely free in cost for anyone around the world in some way. Otherwise, it's not going to create any competition.

>It will only cause ISPs to compete if it's completely free in cost
how do you figure

This seems like another one of those pet projects of Elon Musk that are fantastic and groundbreaking in the consept phase, but when it is time to implement they degrade and you are left with status quo again.

They're launching the initial satellites in a month.

Yes, but do you actually know how they will work?

Aside from the abstract info? I'm not working for SpaceX's Starlink division.

They will most likely use a parabolic antenna and a computer for each customer, this is a carbon copy of the Outernet project if i ever saw one.

No, its already stated to use phased array antennas. Digital processors in these antenna would automatically adjust the beam direction to match satellite directions in an instant.

Ok, I understand the satellites having phased array antennas but you need some way to recieve them on earth too, and a way to communicate back to the satellite.

Well I guess it could work in a way not specified yet. But I will stick to my fibre line and 4G/5G.

Their phased array antenna would be on the consumer side. Elon claims it would be the size of a Pizza and flat.

Ok, I did not know that :^) sounds like a better solution than Outernet.