Want help? >State budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing: >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS) >R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming >R5 2600/X - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs >i7 8700/K - Extreme solution for absolute max FPS >R7 2700/X - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing
RAM: >Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended >CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3200CL16 is ideal >AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
Graphics cards based on current pricing: >Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty 1080p >RX 570 8GB - good performance with great value >GTX 1660 - standard >RTX 2060 - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor) 1440p >RTX 2060 - standard >RTX 2080 - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor) 2160p (4K) >RTX 2080 - standard >RTX 2080Ti - better fit for 4K but expensive
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >Don't bother buying a new monitor for gaming unless it's 144Hz with adaptive sync >A 256GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor >Bottleneck checkers are worthless
Been wanting to build a PC for a few years now and starting a new job so I should be able to get one nearer the end of this year. Is it worth waiting for new parts to come out? I want to aim at 4K if at all possible but don't want to spend more than £1.5k including monitor and peripherals. I am fine with 1440p though.
Do the needful sirs and wait for navi and ryzen 3000, regards John
Easton Gray
It's more the quality of fans, heatsink, and heatpipes number that matters. Like all of them are 2 fans, with I think 1 3 fan model. The 1 fan one is gonna be pretty loud.
Frankly, even as a normie with no knowledge of that, you should be able to tell that the better cards actually look higher quality. Like the difference between a cheap toy and an actual component. Just look at the ASUS 580 Dual vs the Strix, MSI 580 Armor vs Armor Mk2, Gigabyte garbage compared to the Red Devil, or Sapphire's Pulse vs their Nitro.
For the 570, cooler doesn't matter as much as the 580 since the 570 are 120-150W TDP cards and RX580 are 185-231W, but I'd still avoid the shittiest models if it's not more than a $10 difference.
I went dumpster diving recently and pulled out a bunch of 8GB DRR3 1600 sticks of RAM. Unfortunately the timings seems to be worse than the ones I currently have. How much difference does it make for games? I'm more concerned with performance than space. I'm asking right now before testing for myself, because I have an ITX system, and I'd rather not put the effort taking it apart only to be disappointed.
found ram set a: 11-11-11-28-2N 1600 8GBx2 1.5v found ram set b: 11-11-11-28-2N 1600 8GBx2 1.35v
Neither set seem to have xmp profiles, though it seems I may be able at the least to tweak them to 9-11-11-28-2N, but I haven't tested overclocking them properly (in another machine) .
Around 800EUR, 850 hard limit. 1440p/144hz screen so i need one that does 1440p with a minimum of 60 fps solid at ultra settings in the most demanding and least optimized titles for the next 4-5 years.
Carson Edwards
maybe 2080ti can deliver what you wish for, but not even that is a guarantee.
Hudson Reed
Also worth noting that you can pump the 570 up to 180W power limit and get performance really close to a 580. But if it doesn't have a really good cooler, it'll be pretty obnoxiously loud. I think only the Red Devil and Nitro+ actually have good enough coolers for that and they're typically lower availability and RX580 prices anyway, though.
Sounds like the set b at 1.5v would be the same timings of your current set. Not exactly fast, though, but equivalent to your current speed. 1866 CL7 or 2133 CL9 is more around what you aim for performance in games closer to DDR4.
No one can predict the future. Console ports are usually better on AMD, AMD GPU has aged better since the 7000 series almost a decade ago. But that's history, and not the future. Or maybe raytracing will take off, but the current gen RTX cards are too weak to actually do it, so it's really the next generation cards you'd want to last 5 years and current gen might not.
Gabriel Brooks
so zen2 is still going to be worse than intel for vidya right?
Nathan Cruz
Yes, it's already confirmed zen2 will have memory latency issues like threadripper
Aiden Phillips
>better single thread performance than the 9900KEK >on an engineering sample >worse than intel for gay men are you like, an idiot or something?
Who knows, it's not out yet and no third-party benchmarks have been made yet.
Mason Gutierrez
would a 1080 bottleneck a stock r5 1600?
Wyatt Reed
yes for 1080p no for 1440p
Jace Edwards
>latencies don't matter Hmmmmm
Lincoln Williams
fuck, my display is 1920x1200p 24"
ok i'll ask this: a buddy of mine said he'd sell me his for $200, i currently have a rx580 4gb. so all in all it'd be an upgrade for $100 or so, is that a good/worthy deal?
Lincoln Collins
Wait for benchmarks.
It's going to depend on memory latency and/or how much the extra cache makes up for memory latency still potentially being worse. AMD designed their own IMC for Zen2 instead of out sourcing it. That could be good or bad.
If you listen to the shills, you'll be as disappointed as people who got a 7700k thinking there is no way AMD could catch up in a year, only for the 2700X to come out that's just as good or better for gaming and better at everything else on top of it and more efficient. People expected a 2-6% gain and it was around 12% in games instead.
In actually work, it'll take a steaming dump on Intel, that much is certain. But games are the most memory latency intensive applications, and currently Intel has a memory latency advantage. Ryzen was a regression in memory latency from Bulldozer. The whole reason Zen+ closed the gap so much in games compared to the 1000 series was the big memory latency improvement, but it's still not quite enough.
At 1440p they'd be good together. Ryzen 1000 series wasn't that good in some indie games, though.
Caleb Carter
yes do it, without a doubt. 1080 is a beast.
Michael Hughes
Ya do it. That's a fair price. You can upgrade to Ryzen 3000 when it's on sale or something. Don't bother upgrading right away when it's MSRP. If you even feel the need to upgrade at all.
Daniel Parker
>1080 for $100 Yeah of course go for it
Dominic Mitchell
currently on 4670k bottlenecking a 1080Ti on a 1440p display. should I get a 2700x or wait for Zen 2?
when will it be out? and will 300 euros get me a good chip for my 165Hz monitor? the stutter on modern games is killing me
Luis Rodriguez
>1866 CL7 or 2133 CL9 is more around what you aim for performance in games closer to DDR4. Well, I'll make sure to let dumpsters know that next time, but till then I'll make due and try and fiddle with the set b to see if I can get at least the same timings, as you say. Thanks.
Connor Hill
The ryzen 3700 that they demo'd at CES matched the 9900k in cinebench, so it's safe to assume it will be equal or better for multitasking. On the gaming side, I think it depends on how the IO die turns out, but it's likely that's still a bit behind, while being more power efficient. The pricing is what's gonna make or break zen 2 I think.
Sebastian Reyes
Based on zen+ prices, 300 euros should get you an eight core ryzen 7 3700X. Which will be more than enough for games.
Nathan Hughes
what's a good intel CPU for gaming at the RX 580 budget level?
Easton Myers
No real reason to wait when a 2700X will drive at 1080Ti @ 1440p fine. But if you can stand the stutters for longer, sure wait. At the worst case, you can get 2000 series Ryzen for cheaper.
Matched the 170W 9900k while only using 65-70W, at that.
used haswell i7 workstatoin (i7-4790). I've seen them for $150-$200 though you'd need to upgrade PSU. No point in getting any other Intel CPU for midrange when the R5 2600 is better.
Liam Phillips
9400f
Henry Davis
It's likely to be announced at computex in around 5 weeks.
Tyler Sanchez
So, I've got $600 to spend on two monitors. What should I buy? The goal is to have two work monitors (hence why two and not one 600 dollar one), that are "as best as can be expected" for gaming at that price point.
Cameron Long
You can buy a big dick 1440p 144Hz monitor for $350-450 lardassbux, then cheap out on the second 1440p 60Hz monitor for $180 freedomfriesstamps
Jeremiah Turner
What's the best wireless network card for just 2.4 GHz channel? I will never get 5Ghz unfortunately.
Also today I cleaned my PC from dust and suddenly my LAN port's yellow light keeps changing luminosity as if it's showing me how much voltage is running through my PC (while it's off.) maybe the compressed air threw something around inside the power supply? or maybe the power cable in/out weren't cleaned properly.
Dylan Hernandez
Interesting. Like the dilemma is that I'm trying to keep it to about $300 per monitor so no one really asks any questions about why I need to be reimbursed for this. Y'know, I could probably buy a $600 monitor, but people will ask questions.
Jace Collins
How resilient are motherboards? I heard an awful lot of creaking when I was getting the cooler installed.
Alexander Martinez
>still shilling the 8700k in 2019 >when the 9700k is way better
Logan Jenkins
The 3700X will be a cheaper 9900k
It'll be 8-cores and 16 threads, slightly lower clockspeeds than the 9900k but has equal IPC and has higher overclocking headroom
The 12-core Ryzen will be the 3800X, this is where the 10-core Comet Lake will come in
Elijah Miller
Hello sirs, will my motherboard (B450 Tomahawk) be able to handle the new Ryzen 8 core microprocessors?
David Ortiz
Noob here. Can someone put together a build for 1200 usd for me? Want a 2070 at least
Levi Sullivan
I am informed of the correctness, sir. Just do the needful and kindly update the BIOS when the moment has arrived.
Jace Harris
Will an ASRock b450m Pro4 be able to survive the 3000 series Ryzens? More specifically the 3700x?
Michael Gonzalez
If your current mobo can handle an 8 core fine, then it will handle the 3700x.
Luke Lee
I'm on a 2600x but I over clocked it a lot and use it for PBO on an AIO these days since it was similar performance
Wanted to see if it can use a 3700x too
Nathaniel Phillips
AMD CPU's have been and will always be for budget building. Intel will always have better performance but the price factor sometimes isn't worth it.
Jeremiah Turner
It will be fine dude. The 3700 will be a 65W chip and the 3700X a 95W most likely.
Joseph Adams
>AMD CPU's have been Confirmed underage
Ryzen 3000 likely aren't going to be higher power draw except if there are 12 core chips those might be 125W.
Jayden Morgan
Nothing AMD makes can compete with Intel for gaymen.
Daniel Lee
AMD said the new CPUs will have the same TDP as current ones.
Jeremiah Murphy
Does the power draw really matter that much for my Mobo?
Justin Morales
Sneed
Lincoln Ortiz
Buy Noctua™ products.
Dylan Moore
Your VRM temps matter to an extent, just make sure they're not cooking themselves.
James Wright
I doubt they'll cook themselves with PBO, or at least I would hope not.
John Kelly
>tfw comfy 2600X and will wait for black friday deals to upgrade
Isaac Rivera
>the 2000s don't exist! I wasn't even in high school then! okay, kiddo
You don't want to draw more than like 120W without VRM cooling on some boards to be perfectly safe. Also VRM efficiency further goes down as temps go up. Your VRMs aren't just going to explode and brick your board using any AM4 chip but it's less than ideal.
Jaxon Green
I can't wait for the 3850x and 10990k. I'll build a maximum fps build once they're out and choose whichever is the best.
Lincoln Thompson
lol okay, enjoy living in your make believe world where AMD actually out preformed Intel in gaymen at some point.
Andrew Stewart
Bros will the 1660ti last for the next 3 years 1080p? taking into consideration next gen games
is it even possible to build a not-ass gaming PC for 500$ or should I htfu and save 2+x as long for a 1k+ build
Henry Foster
I'd probably try to make use of the sata3 m.2 for the SSD, but that's a nitpick to avoid mounting/cable clutter. Maybe a more petite case, but you're probably not going to get any cheaper than that.
Someone else will have to advise on GPU and power supply.
Grayson Myers
Imagine getting BTFO by benchmarks that were run before you were even born
New consoles are coming next year, so not at max settings that's very unlikely.
Sure.
If you're fine with like.. original PS4 quality settings you can do a 2400G build for that an just upgrade the GPU later.
>original PS4 quality settings you can do a 2400G You're not getting original PS4 quality from a 2400G, retard. Original PS4 has approximately an r9 280 tier APU, 2400G is nothing close to that
Ian Martin
Save a little more and wait for the new hardware coming in 3-5 months
Luis Brooks
Can anyone vouch for a 110-125 mm CPU cooler? Noctua with the 92mm fan sounds probably the best and quietest but be quiet and Cryorig also look to have decent offerings.
Luke Lopez
will amd stop making 2600x after the next gen comes out so i can buy one for cheap way later
Josiah Bailey
Nah The mid range one beat a 9900.
Oliver Reyes
>ut2k4 >battlefield 2 >splinter cell: chaos theory damn i miss the early/mid 2000s. based pentium 4 running at 3.2ghz fucking losing to a athlon running at 2.0
Jordan Clark
Get an H60 instead, it's cheaper and an AIO
Noah Young
why is the b450 carbon pro so hard to find these days? does msi don't make them anymore or what?
Ian Ross
Isn't the tomahawk pretty much the same except for no wifi/bluetooth?
Dylan Barnes
Isn't the x470 a better chipset or is that older?
Benjamin Edwards
Yeah but an extra 20ish bucks for WiFi and Bluetooth is a really good deal
Camden Wilson
By the looks of it you're going to have to live without WiFi
No it doesnt, it has gpu power inbetween 7850 and 7870 which are weaker than an r9 270
Cooper Hughes
I'm ok with waiting a couple months for more stock. Im already waiting to see third party Ryzen gen 3 benchmarks, and the more I wait, the more I can invest into a nice build.
Finally purchased everything. Going to see how it holds up then upgrade to an 8700 and 16gb of RAM and a 1440p monitor if I'm not completely happy.
Colton Sanchez
i5 9600k 3.7ghz rtx 2060 6gb 16 gb ram 3000/cl16 200 GB SSD (not an issue I've got really quick internet connection) water cooling for CPU be quiet bronze badge 500w psu what do you guys think
Jack Price
a pretty good 1080p60 rig tho you should get a 1tb hdd anyway is 500w sufficient for all that?
Henry Long
Any of you guys taken a mini itx build in your carryon while traveling?
Joshua Reed
I am afraid it is not and I am kind of out of budget but at the same time I really don't want to change anything in the list ;_;
Bentley Watson
thanks anons, picking it up friday gotta get paid first
maybe a dumb question, but my psu can handle it im assuming? i got a 750 g2 because i figured i'd have headroom than replace psu later on, hope i didn't spend money for no reason
David White
>6 threads Good if you don't mind upgrading in a year or so
Michael Sullivan
wait a month to do the purchase and get a 600w anyway the HDD can wait like 3 months anyway
Adrian Barnes
wat why would intel do this they dont even have a 6c12t option wth
Bentley Hill
There's a reason everyone says to use Ryzen. It's not as strong but extremely well priced for the performance and thread count.
Christian Jones
just get an 8700k
Noah Moore
Alright bois, I'm building my first PC ever, I've only owned laptops so far. I'm thinking on spending around $1000, and I'm definitely waiting for Zen2 and maybe Navi. Here are the specs I'm looking forward: > Ryzen 3600X > ~$250 GPU (Navi or 1660ti?) > 512GB SSD + 2TB 7200rpm HDD > 16GB of RAM Should I go Mini ITX? I don't plan on overclocking.
Also, I saw a "leak" about Navi, saying that there will be a $259 model with GDDR6 that performs between Vega56 and GTX 1080, is that reasonable?
Jaxon Fisher
v56 kinda almost matches 1080ti so thats mostly baloney navi needs to compete with 2080 raytracing included or its simply not viable unless its really cheap.
Nathaniel Brooks
>v56 kinda almost matches 1080ti so thats mostly baloney in 2 games? k... >navi needs to compete with 2080 raytracing included or its simply not viable unless its really cheap. Navi is expected to replace Polaris... therefore it probably won't beat Vega VII.
Connor James
>raytracing included Are we pretending that raytracing isn't a complete waste of resources in vidya gaems?
