Python is a scripting language

Python is the fastest way to get proper machine learning and scientific computing done.

Tons of great libraries that does the heavy lifting with C or Fortran without the scientist having to worry about how it is done in the background.

For scientific computing nothing comes close. Even languages especially designed for it like matlab, R and Mathematica are only slightly easier to use in certain niche applications. Everything can be done in Python fairly easily as well.

With all the issues and mistakes they made with the language, library, and docs its not perfect. It works though.
Python is comfy.

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oh look its another >python is slow haha thread

It's ironic because Portage, a nearly universally praised and extremely powerful package manager, is a great example of how Python is used for big boy programs but this is glossed over by all of the dissenters.

Honestly learning Python was a gateway to understanding more complex concepts and new stuff in other languages, at least for me.

Negating its usefulness is simply foolish

What is a scripting language

That's because people who shit on Python are just LARPers and never actually made anything more substantial than FizzBuzz.
Python isn't perfect by any means, mind you, and does deserve some criticism. The problem is, it's often criticized for the wrong reasons.
When people bring up the fact that it's poorly designed, I would agree if they pointed at Lisp or Haskell as examples of better designed languages.
Instead these fags wank over C, whose semantics were historically defined as
>gee, i don't know, whatever the pdp compiler did

Python looks cool.
I want to learn it after I learn a bit of C++

The definition is merely that Scripts aren't typically compiled, they are interpreted. Whereas "Programs" are compiled. That is the only technical difference.

It doesn't imply incompetence or noobishness to use one or the other. Holy fuck.

>it's 3x slower than JavaScript
And? Not being Javascript automatically makes it better than Javascript.

portage is fucking trash

why the fuck does it take so long to calculate dependencies

You people should stop complaining so much about languages. We are using English here even though it is a god awful language.

I don't get paid enough to use Java/Kotlin or C++ on the clock and I'd rather solve problems quickly and go home early.

python

it's literally the second best language

> Job is to develop and maintain mission critical monitoring software for the department
> Use Python because it's easy and to reduce development time.
> Writes C extensions when necessary.
> Nobody ever complains about the speed, let alone know the software is written in Python

I pretty sure nobody on Jow Forums has a real job due to the petty shit you guys argue about.

I choose to use Bash (for Linux-only scripts), Python (for cross-platform scripts), or PowerShell (for Windows-only scripts) because they generally get the job done quicker than most other alternatives. Productivity-wise, nobody at work wants you fagging around all day with Haskell or whatever. Meme languages are fine for personal projects, but that's about it.

>nobody on Jow Forums has a real job due to the petty shit you guys argue about.
Exactly.

Python for 99% of my use cases at work is what fits the bill. I rarely, if at all have to use anything else. I'm talking to an API 99% of the time, I spend more time on waiting for the API to respond than whatever language I'm using.

Python CAN be compiled.

> 3x slower than javascript

I think that nigga was talking about how developing on Python is faster than other languages. Does it justify the performance penalty? Maybe, depends on what you need to build. Some companies want shit fast, some have reliability concerns.

Learn whatever pays the bills.

It will feel limited but you can pick up ML with it and learn other stuffs.

Lies. Paludis doesn't take significantly less time.
It's simply a more difficult problem than most other distributions: you have to make sure your flags are all compatible lest your system shit itself.

>class making engineering capstone projects
>many use arduino/pi's
>complain that their machine is too low powered to run their shitty Python scripts
>meanwhile my C programs run perfectly
Feels good man

Most of the time you're writing glue code around a network server and a database, python is well suited for that.

The only thing I wish Python had is the ability to pass basic data types by reference.

only thing I don't like is no switch statements.

>what is a dictionary

>quickly
Python is slower than molasses. JS whips the fuck out of it in speed, let alone compiled languages.

I hate Python for a variety of reasons. Principally because it's slow as fuck, which isn't an issue until you have retards writing numerical integration programs in it. Take a program that completes in 30 seconds for a given input size in C++, and the python implementation takes 300 minutes, and that's not an exaggeration. Then you get into shit like Python2 vs Python3, and how that fucking bifurcates PyPy as well, and if you want to use numpy you can't use Pypy with that for some unfathomable reason. Then you have the GIL, so fuck you if you want to write multithreaded code. And finally the significant white space makes refactoring a horrific experience. Want to put something in a loop, or a function? Gotta manually reindent all that, can't just highlight it & hit tab to reflow it in emacs like C, Rust, or LISP. All this on top of Pythonistas who shriek about programmer time being more valuable than CPU time, as though their programs don't run on thousands (or more) of CPUs many times, like electricity and other people's time is free, and so on and so on. At the very least, I can say Python is a huge improvement over shit like Bash.

>do program in C++
>write a wrapper for Python

there you go, write the heavy stuff in c and dont touch it never again

The Chad way to do it.

This

I'm a huge pythonfag but there are still things I miss, like having a true "C-style" for and a switch statement.

That's what most popular Python libraries do, and also include other languages as well
Cython
Numpy
Scipy
Sympy
Numba
The one that wraps ggplot from R
And other niche C/C++ libraries have tools that allow you to control them with Python, like OpenFOAM.

Honestly, the big thing about Python is that you can use many C, C++, Fortran, R and other languages features in a single place without needing to reinvent the wheel every five minutes.

Most of numpy works just fine on Pypy.
And you describe problems every editor solves and are a none issue with a Python plugin.

>muh GIL
You don't really know what you are talking about. Most stuff you want multithreading will just work and everything else works with multiprocessing.

Architecture is always more important than the run speed of the language.
And Python makes it a lot easier to design an actually working application that as a whole will make it faster than an equivalent application in a different language.
It makes it easier to find the bottlenecks and overcome those.

> "I program in python"
2.7 or 3?

HOLLY SHIT

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>Enjoy the GIL
If you're having issues with the GIL, you're way outside any sensible use of Python.

>inexplicable C extension crashes.
What the hell are you doing?

It's a damn shame that so many people are too stupid to realize that LISP is fundamentally easier to write than Python and inherently superior.

Check em

It is, but unfortunately it doesn't have nearly as many libraries.
The language itself is objectively better, though. It also has excellent performance for being so high level, Common Lisp can be almost as fast as C.

The thing about Python is that any braindead mong can just come and call a library for anything imaginable, so little actual programming and education is required
On the other hand, Lisp requires a high IQ to use, and you actually need to program

A (((high IQ))).

yes and it's good as a scripting language
I can't imagine using python for anything else other than small stuff like scripts that you don't particularly care about or which won't get too large
if you make actual software in python you should end yourself

python is used as a glue language you retard. like other anons already said there are bunch of c/c++ libs out there. python has wrappers for most of them so it's easy for average joe to write their own programs. js a shit

based digits

I work for a corporation that uses an in house built Python application as the centerpiece of what we do. After loading all libraries the application idles at about 4GB ram, when you open various components you can make it up to nearly 30GB.

Everyone is on a virtual desktop. 16GB ram and 8 cores assigned. Rather than rewrite this shitty application we have all been migrated over to HP Moonshot cartridges, each with 64GB ram.

No complaints about my session performance at least but this is what python developers will do to your budget if you let them

yes, i can see this happening. i've never worked with enterprise-grade python software but working with pyqt i often encounter memory leaks. i'm guessing that's what happening in your case, too. thing about snekfags is that we're lazy faggots and unless everything breaks nobody is going to anything about it.

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I only know Python which I've used to automate boring office tasks and for stuff like web scraping, and I'm currently learning C.

What language should I learn to write "proper" programs?

everything's moving to go anyway

write in c

>What language should I learn to write "proper" programs?
Python. as much as people like to circlejerk around here about low level programming and speed, those guys are actually not needed that much and fast output of is much more desirable than some basement dweller with no social skills who takes his sweet time developing something that's fast and efficient when it's not needed at all. company loses money with people like that

understand that each lang is only a tool and nothing more. drop that "proper program" elitist bullshit you've picked up here - it won't do you any good, and just keep learning stuff that interests you

If the massive task of creating a fast implementation of a programming language is really as easy as you think then why is the official implementation of one of the most popular languages in the world still slow as dogshit after almost three decades? It's almost like the design of the language and the fundamental overhead of certain abstractions has something to do with it (C++ -> native integer types, python -> bignums lmao, js -> everything is a double lmao, but ofc it goes much deeper).

After what? Chinese? You're confusing best with most spoken.

Nobody will accept that JS is a great scripting language because it's used in annoying ways on the internet.

Enterprise software is notoriously shitty, though. I don't know if it's a problem with python or with the developers.
Do you think a team of enterprise software engineers could ever come up with the original c2 wiki? (150 lines of perl ffs)
Their managers didn't whip them into shape, they didn't forbid writing shit code, they didn't enforce standards, they wanted a product and they wanted it yesterday.

>they wanted a product and they wanted it yesterday
>We'll do unit testing later, for now lets just focus on the release
>Release finished
>Why are you going back over old code it's already been released you need to focus on the next release. We'll do unit testing later.

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C is faster. Kys

Unless you're willing to produce garbage, writing and debugging C is slow as hell.

>I am a brainlet unable to write good kode
I am sorry dude. I really am.

It doesn't matter. Human resources are far more expensive than hardware, and for when you have performance issues in critical paths you can make C extensions.

This user knows

If it works then it is good. I like it more than stuff like java since python at least has good api's that are not sent out with thousands of bugs that will never get fixed.