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>no pci slot
no thank you
what the christ do you need PCI for in 2019
In order to adequately fuel his hatred for apple.
Because 5 is bigger that 4,right?
How many chinese backdoors does it have embedded in the PCB?
You know that Businessweek article was FUD and Supermicro stock has more than recovered since then, right?
That motherboard doesn't have more backdoors than your average Cisco hardware.
I had a supermicro X10SLM-F with random reboot if I put a graphics card on it. I wouldn't buy from supermicro anymore.
>Supermicro
Didn't they get busted a few months ago for sneaking legitimate Chinese spyware on their motherboards?
>more than 2 ram slots on a gaming board
I remember DDR4 barely making a difference over DDR3 in benches, and people only adopting it because it happened to be the thing that came with new CPU sockets. Is it gonna be the same story for DDR5? Is RAM really a mentionworthy bottleneck?
seething itxlet
They were accused of it, it was investigated and found to be wrong. Why they didn't sue the accusers for libel (since they never had any reasonable evidence) I don't know.
Based retard
Oh it's actually a shill
Oh look, it's actually a retard. Pretty rare to see those these days.
I can't see RAM being a bottleneck for most use cases. Most people should be more or less "ok," with 8GB, whether it's DDR3, DDR4, or DDR5. I can't really see much of a need, even in specialized use cases, to need more than 32GB of RAM right now, which DDR3 covers just fine.
It only really matters if your software is making heavy use of memory IO. Which given everything keeps getting more bloated is highly likely.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
DDR5 FUCKING WHEN?
>Gayming mainboard
You retards know that every shitgaym you install contains a rootkit?
I got a rootkit from Iagno?
if only they'd make a mobo with proper heatsinks and no gaymen retardation.
>tfw still using DDR3
tomshardware.com
How much does China pay you per shitpost? I'm looking for a job.
ASSrock
>implying memory performance isn't important
>implying you won't need more memory down the line
>hurr durr my 10 year old PC works just fine for light web browsing, why would you need faster hardware than mine
The "backdoor" was compromised firmware
Read the article. A lot of fluff, no substance. The authors have a record of getting shit wrong. There's still no proof Bloomberg keeps claiming. The only problem was there used to be a compromised firmware few yeats back.
fluff? no substance?? I did read the article, 2 times in fact. They describe in great detail what the chip was, what it did and the anomalies it produced, who was behind it, what supply chains and companies were effected, and the US intelligence reactions to this issue. Holy fuck how much do they pay you? Where is YOUR evidence that all these major media outlets have the story wrong? I've seen no retractions or corrections at all. Put up or shut up.
I mean the fact that it runs at a much lower voltage helps...1.1 volts to be specific.
great piece of journalism, using a hedt board as placeholder for a gaming one
>people only adopting it because it happened to be the thing that came with new CPU sockets
Pretty much, but it will also cost more.
>no images of the chip on the board, no actual location where the back door is supposed to be on the board, DHS and GCHQ both denied that this is occurring. Both Apple and Amazon demy that is real.
Stop being such a gullible bitch
Enjoy that backdoor.
It is just fluff
If they really wanted to show some evidence of this "spy" chip they would show some electrical characterization and possibly some images from an electron microscope with input from an independent expert
sticks and stones is all you got? EVIDENCE. NOW. or STFU
I'm sure it's classified. Plus it's evidence in an ongoing investigation.
>Both Apple and Amazon demy that is real.
Both Apple and Amazon denied that PRISM was real. Stop being such a gullible bitch
>I'm sure it's classified. Plus it's evidence in an ongoing investigation.
I'm talking if Bloomberg wanted to show some actual evidence, there is nothing stopping them from investigating the thing on there own, In fact it's very irresponsible that they didn't considering how big of a story they decided to have put out
>believing what Businessweek says, ever
>falling for a market manipulation trick
gosh, you people are so retarded
yeah you're right, the chicoms are saints and would never ever in a million years dream of putting a backdoor in something being delivered to US govt and US tech giants
RAM is literally the single most important bottleneck on modern PC's. If the bus wasn't so slow, all programs would run much much faster.
>I did read the article, 2 times in fact
so, you do believe everything you read in the internet.
>falling for fear mongering
>not realizing "your side" are the ones messing with everything and everyone
theregister.co.uk
Holy shit you’re a dumb fuck
>comparing a U.S based intelligence program which U.S company’s can’t legally talk about to a foreign nation state implanting backdoors in critical systems.
Are fucking stupid? What incentive is there to cover for super micro? Hell, Apple already dropped them over a firmware issue, and that was highly publicized. A claim of hardware backdoors is even worse. AWS has government contracts with the U.S, you think that either party is not going to investigate that claim thoroughly? I swear, Jow Forums posters get stupider and stupider every day, please do us all a favor and neck yourself cunt.
they weren't supposed to know they had been compromised.
They're both doing it retard. I never once said the US was not guilty of the same shit. That doesn't mean the Chinese get a pass on it when they're caught.
The issue is this "backdoor" is a tiny 6-pin chip that is already masquerading as a signal conditioner
This thing is fucking TINY and you mean to tell me that this has memory, networking and enough processing power to actually attack much less keep up with a Xeon?
>They're both doing it retard
western powers have a lot more experience doing this kind of shit than everyone else, excluding russia.
and as the other an.on says, if it's a hardware backdoor, it should be easy to post evidence, which Bloomberg did NOT provide, at all.
Stupid fuck dd4 ram back then basically topped out at 2166
Now it's over double that
Ddr5 on Zen 2+ will be absolutely amazing and shit over incel
>Zen
Lmao kys
They removed AGP too
Awww poor incel tranny coping with memeake for the next 10 years
it's not meant to keep up with a Xeon you fucking turd monkey. It's meant to scrape data and compromise the host OS to accept remote signals
You have to compare ram speeds too. Ddr3 max is lower than 4
Yeah, but the speeds are pretty much the least consequential part of the formula. I mean, I'd rather have 8GB of DDR3 than 4GB of DDR4, for example. Hell, I'd rather have 16GB of DDR3 than 12GB of DDR4.
>4KB of RAM and 32KB of flash
What is worse is that CPU almost looks bigger than the apparent spy chip
That still takes some processing grunt and I just don't see it coming out of a chip that small, especially when it's suppose to have networking
Memory speeds make an enormous difference depending on the workload, as do tightness of the timings. Not all workloads are memory sensitive. Some however are.
DDR4 can provide a pretty big leap over DDR3. The only issue at launch was that the DDR4 JEDEC spec began at just 2400mhz, so the kits that came out were trash compared to existing high end DDR3. DDR5 will bring an even larger uplift in bandwidth right off the bat. Last year Samsung had early DDR5 DIMMs hitting over 6000mhz. Already way above current high end DDR4. It goes without saying that as the memory matures frequencies will be pushed even higher.
>no pci slot
thank you
>user looks a ford fiesta
>"no hand crank, no thank you"
buy a new network card and stop using your 15 year old sound card, its not the end of the world
>falling for jewish propaganda
based supermicro
>high end
>gigabyte
lol
PCI has been deprecated by modern chipsets and is no longer supported by any mainstream processor.
>PCI has been deprecated by modern chipsets
Don't SuperIO chips still have serial, parallel, and isa on them
I might care more about this shit if there were a single fucking game worth buying anymore. was marginally looking forward to Cyberpunk but now the Pole Creative Director quit and it looks like it's going to be about on same level as Netflix Witcher series....
Yes.
All x86 must have a ISA bus as per specification, be it virtual or physical.
Yes, China will never do something like that
I'd say December 2020 for consumers at the absolute earliest but it will cost like $600 for 32 gigs until 2021+.
>I just don't see it coming out of a chip that small, especially when it's suppose to have networking
It's probably supposed to wait for backdoor request, and then seize control of main hardware to do all the dirty work in the background, kind of how Management Engine is purported to work.
>December 2020 for consumers
Zen3 should be ddr4 then
not bloomberg?
>This thing is fucking TINY and you mean to tell me that this has memory, networking and enough processing power
The tiny size of that supposed spying chip isn't the only common sense problem with this story and I'm amazed Jow Forums isn't laughing at it. Let's just say for the same of argument that this chips has the processing power required and networking capability and so on. Let's say it's your job to place this backdoor spy-chip on a motherboard. Where oh where are you going to place it? Requirements are that it's got access to the memory bus and the network card. Good luck.
It's the kind of story that seems plausible if you know nothing about computers and don't ask basic questions like Exactly how is this implemented?
Reminder
the faster the memory for low voltage, the better
DDR5 starts from ~4 Ghz
DDR4 starts from ~2 Ghz
DDR3 starts from ~800 Mhz
DDR2 starts from ~400 Mhz
DDR1 starts from ~100 Mhz
So yes, bigger is better.
>It's the kind of story that seems plausible if you know nothing about computers and don't ask basic questions like Exactly how is this implemented?
I think that was really the whole point
This story was never meant to inform technical minded people, first of all it broke on Bloomberg of all places and doesn't discuss any technical info beyond what a normie could understand.
This story was meant to inform investors and let's be honest most of them don't have technical common sense beyond using an iPhone so they are the prime target to gobble down a story like this and make a move on their investments
yeah it wont mean anything.
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Still on DDR3. I'm waiting for DDR5.
3770K, going to jump to Zen2+ or some shit.
after that, we just need to fit 8GiB on the CPU as L1 and we'd be set to take over the universe
does it work on modern os'?
I will install Linux on the CPU
Because when i want reputable news, I go to tom's hardware's summary of a businessweek article.
Fuck off, there was nothing there. It's lies and damn lies.
Knowing ram MHz alone isn't helpful. What matters us combination of ram speed and latency. MHz and CL. DDR4 is over 2GHz but at CL16 or CL12 at best. DDR3 was what? CL8?
These days you could fit a full 32-bit arm chip on that with a gb or so of storage and at least 64mb of ram. That's all you need to do scraping, fuck, you could even do it with the power of a microcontroller, see
What game do you need "high-end gaming" hardware for in 2019?
Where do you put your GPU, then?
in the pci-e slot you brainlet. pci-e != pci
PCI has been dead since Skylake-era. Microsoft will most likely drop support for it once Window 7 reaches EOL for future OS builds.
Good riddance too. PCie far superior in every aspect.
I'm not sure how you can just drop PCI, it's just an interconnect for devices
> 6 pins
Even if it scavenged its power from the data bus it's ridiculous to assume it'd have enough bandwidth to act as a backdoor.
It is no longer implemented in Skylake and Zen-era platforms and newer.
Microsoft can drop PCI support by no longer writing device drivers for PCI controllers. They already did this with ISA controllers with Vista.
>No digital display for error codes
Why are these jew companies skimping out on a 25 cent display? I had a cheapish evga that had one of those 10 years ago.