Gmail account

How the fuck do i skip this retarded step ? I dont want to give google my phone number . Already have 1 account from like 5-6 years ago that didnt require a mandatory phone number. Why are sites obsessed about this crap , i just want to make a god damn email account . I cant even skip that part.

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don't use jewgle

you can't anymore
it's used to tie your account to your real identity, it's right in the terms of service

Use protonmail or download one of the free phone apps. I use Nextplus. They give you a free phone number that you can make/receive phone calls and texts with. Some work some don't.
If you want I'll give you the number then when I receive it Ill give you the code.

use textnow

Select any country in EU, they dont ask for phone

Live in a first world country

Set it to Romania , didnt work

I do

Nah it doesn't work - they want a number to tie into your account
GPDR only applies to tracking and gives youa choice to opt out - Google isn't a mandatory service so you don't have to use it

Can't - it's used to track you in the event you have an android phone

dual sim phone use a cheap european card maybe from some shit tier country like estonia

Go to a payphone that accepts incoming calls.

You have to use Tor/VPN.

>textnow
>please use a google or facebook.

because they don't want spam accounts?

ask a stranger to use their phone; buy a cheap prepay in cash a few cities over, and throw it in the trash when done.

You need name+address nowadays to activate a prepaid card in Europe. (or Germany at least)

Use Protonmail to Tutanota. No identifying info needed.

>I'm fine with them scanning all of my emails, but giving them my phone number is just too much!
You have strange standards, user.

>signing up for a google account in [current year]

for what purpose?

user I'm literally a EU fag - it doesn't work here as I said - the GPDR isn't a fucking "reeee do not track me" magical button

There are sites that have public text message inboxes. You can use one of those numbers and get the code that way.

Links?

>jew world order is a crazy cracktpot conspiracy theory

you're imagining things op. they just want your account to be safe.

>what is pgp or a one time pad?

I don't know, I managed to do it once and never again. You create your Google account through Chrome or Opera and doing it that way didn't ask for a phone number sometimes.

will not work because my bot will be faster

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Pretty much. Tutanota has developed their own Android notification system, not dependent on GCM.

I hate you.

>jew world order is a crazy cracktpot conspiracy theory
Have you slept through the entire year of 2013? Snowden? PRISM project which Google is also a part of? No? Guess not. This is all imaginary, right?
>they just want your account to be safe.
Imagine being this naive. Imagine believing multi million dollar companies have your best interest in mind.

Something you don't need gmail for, and other services can do better.

I can't remember which one i used, but I searched something like "receive text message online".

victor canfield reads your cockmails, riseup admins have admitted to doing the same, and protonmail suspends your account if you commit heinous acts of right wing terrism like posting flyers asking people to be your email penpal.

i don’t like the google botnet either, but they’re really just asking for verification... do you really think they couldn’t find your cell number?

Sauce for all that?

Yeah, but the difference is they don't have their spyware all over the internet/phones like Google does.

Why would you hand your e-mails to Google out of all million other options that work just as well?

>protonmail suspends your account if you commit heinous acts of right wing terrism like posting flyers asking people to be your email penpal.
You mean the account: [email protected] (a white nationalist saying) which was attached to posters telling people to hospitalize antifa?

Thumbs up smiley face with carat nose

>protonmail suspends your account if you commit heinous acts of right wing terrism like posting flyers asking people to be your email penpal.
I believe this was something comically stupid like [email protected] printed on flyers all over town, complaining on Reddit and wondering why your account got suspended.

There it is. He did complain on Reddit about it, right?

Fuck if I know. I don't go there.

>[email protected]
I just saw some other user in a different thread say that he has the email address [email protected], and nothing has happened.

I don't think simply having an offensive name is enough.

Not him, but it's still a legit complaint and it shows they aren't fully committed to free speech and like to pander to the PC crowd. Also from reading their blog it's clear they are SJWs.

It's still better than using Gmail, though.

>muh freeze peach
try not to be an edgelord and you won't have problems

if you make a gmail account through your android phones settings menu, they dont ask for a phone number. However, they probably secretly keep a log of your phone number used on the phone somehow.

you could just buy a cheap ass android phone for 6 dollars and make one on someones wifi maybe

They have openly stated that they are only committed to it as far as Swiss law allows. They also ban ISIS members, but I don't hear anyone bitching about that.

>They have openly stated that they are only committed to it as far as Swiss law allows.
No. Read what they have posted on Reddit. They were under no obligation whatsoever to delete the account, they did it for PR reasons.

imagine for a moment:
>[email protected] (a democratic socalist saying) which was attached to posters telling people to hospitalize magapedes?

do you not consider that it would be strange if you had actually commited, and been indicted, og an actual crime (not thoughtcrime) and private companies like newspapers, or direct tv, even water, power or gas, arbotrarily decided to exercise vigilante justice by suspending a service you had already paid for, in lieu of allowing the justice system to do its thing?

do you not see the essential perversity in assuming "credibility" of a threat, when the very utterance of one indicates the speakers reluctance, or complete inability to carry it through?
dont you find it a stifling straitjacket on rhetorical speech, which abounds in "violent" imagery?

of course you dont, because you're an unpricipled, authpritarian sack of shit.

They did it because the name was a white nationalist slogan advocating violence. A court didn't order them to, but it was clearly illegal. Show me any civilized nation that protects incitement of violence as free speech.

I tell you what. Why don't you go and create that address, make a poster exactly how you described, take a picture of it on a telephone pole, and send the picture to protonmail to see if they ban your account.

If they don't, you have a case. If they do, then they stomp out all incitement to violence, and you're just a retard who thinks free speech should cover incitement to violence.

That they track people is obviously true. That it has anything to do with muh protocrocks of Zeeon anti-Semitism is tin foil bullshit

>A court didn't order them to
Exactly. They decided to be their own judge, based on some picture casually posted on Twitter.

>it was clearly illegal
Not clearly at all. It needs to be a realistic and credible threat of violence. And email providers usually aren't the ones who get to decide if it is. Police/courts do that.

I'm sure you must think I defend people posting edgy street posters. I don't. I'm just saying Protonmail aren't fully committed to free speech, that's all. If they were, they'd wait for a court order.
They also wouldn't virtue signal their bans on Twitter. Or make SJW tier blog posts about diversity.

>Coordinating harassment campaigns is """free speech""
Keep the poo in the loo >>Jow Forumsjeet

>That it has anything to do with muh protocrocks of Zeeon anti-Semitism is tin foil bullshit
The only one who mentioned that bullshit and twice at that is you.

If you know any1 in ireland ask them to get a prepaid in lycamobile(no registration required). Theyll even mail it at no cost, you just request it through their website.

Incitement of violence isn't a threat of violence, user. Two separate things. One is a direct threat. The other is directing others to go and inflict violence.

have... you never heard of telemarketers?
spammers probably have the best access to phones out of anybody
if they wanted to set up spam accounts, they would have fucking spam accounts

>free speech should cover "incitement to violence"
that is precisely what i believe, and i have already given arguments for why that should be the case:
to reiterate, a threat is an oxomoron - because by definition it indicates unwillingness or inability to carry out any such acts.
second, rhetorical, informal speech is frequently violent.
example: my piano teacher frequently "threatened" to kill me if i did not practice.
intent is impossible for an outside observer to determine.

if you favor undermining freedom of speech by carving out an arbitrarily enforced exception for speech that you subjectively believe is "credible" hallucinate that you know has a violent motive, then you are the retard.

as a fourth point, it is outside the purview or jurisdiction of a private company to enforce "justice"

a fifth point (corolary to the fourth) in virtually all countries, private companies are immunized against any criminal or civil liabilities for what their users post, say, or do.

protonmail lied if they claimed they were legally obliged to breach the (paid) contract.

so in your view, other people dont have free will?
they cant just ignore it?

Incitement of violence without credible threats is usually not illegal in many countries.
But I'm not the court and neither is Protonmail, so this is kinda besides the point.

was being sarcatic matey. i'm turbo quantum megaredpilled

Incitement is not a threat. I've already told you that.

I get the vibe that you are this guy and you just have a real hard-on against protonmail, despite the fact that there isn't a single provider that would do what you want them to. Which is why you don't recommend any alternatives (and now comes the oh-so-predictable "set up your own server," as if that's feasible for the bulk of the population).

It doesn't matter whether people have free will. You attempting to sway them to break the law is against the law literally everywhere that's worth a shit, including the US, where it is considered an inchoate offense.

Well, we all know Islam is a religion of peace, and the Swiss charged an Imam with Incitement to Violence when he told his followers to kill non-believers.

Obviously there was no threat, as Islam is a religion of peace. Unlike, say, white nationalism.

Redditors get confused when you don't end your post with /s

As if Jow Forums doesn't have its own fair share of straight up idiots.

just buy a cheap prepaid from emag if you live in Romania and throw it away after a month

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>going out of your way to make a Botnet account

the absolute state of Jow Forums

a private company (like netflix, spotify, uber, or a fucking pizza delivery) is not the government.
justice does not to need to be outsourced to their (equally arbitrary and preposterous) determinations of what thoughtcrimes must be punished.

I'm just gonna repeat another poster in a different thread.

>If you can show me a single example of protonmail banning someone who didn't threaten violence while giving out an email address containing a slogan used by a hate group, I will cede the point to you. This obviously excepts run-of-the-mill banning rules, like spamming (which isn't, and shouldn't be, allowed anywhere). Otherwise, I say that their ToS do not allow you to use their service to break Swiss laws.

It shut you up last time (or someone making the same point as you are making now).

Use a different provider

it isnt their fucking responibility.
do you think that the muslim preacher should be locked out from the apartment he rents, or have gym membership, netilix, uber accounts revoked, without appeal or refund, at the mere spectre of a thoughtcrime?
fuck yourself, bootlicker

>Already have 1 account
This is your problem. Had this happen to me a few months ago.
Use a different browser or computer to make the account, it shouldn't ask you for your number then.

Only in cuck countries. The UK is plenty ways fucked but at least you can just grab a prepaid sim off the counter, pay in cash, and be on your merry way.

>it isn't their fucking responsibility.
Whine more. Whether or not it's their legal responsibility, it is their fiduciary responsibility to the people who invest in the company (the owners).

>do you think that the muslim preacher should be locked out from the apartment he rents, or have gym membership, netilix, uber accounts revoked, without appeal or refund, at the mere spectre of a thoughtcrime?
I think that if he breaks the contract/ToS of any of those things you listed, absolutely. Businesses have the right to refuse you service.

>fuck yourself, bootlicker.
Oh, and what do you propose? That we take the freedom of association away from individuals? You're a fucking advocate for bigger government, as if that hasn't ever been abused.

Would vincent ban "[email protected]" on a poster calling to kill all niggers? If you're about to answer yes, re-read the domain name.

Why don't you go ask him?

Log in with ip address of similar area you logged last time and it shouldnt ask for number. At least it worked for me. If you want to create new google account without phone number, use some android device to do it.
As for protonmail, they dont give a shit about free speech and will delete your account even if its just its name not fitting in their ideological or political alignments.

a corporation is not an individual.
it does not have rights.
like an LLC, a "corporation" is a legal fiction (communist government welfare) to protect the owners from bankruptcies.
there is no pragmatic difference between the boot of an association of people called a corporation, and the boot of an association of people called a government.

where there is power, there is abuse of power.

businesses have the right to refuse (prevent) issuing a service contract.
but after a contract has been finalized, they do not have the right to refuse to honor that contract, then sieze the money, property, data, or other assets you have provided them in exchange for their services.
if they refuse to honor that contract, they must return that which you paid them, and ideally some kind of nuisance fee for wasting your time.

what do i propose?
how about not rationalizing cunty behavior from shitty, dishonorable business, and advocating in favor of alternate businesses with better practices, or starting your own?
why dont you spend the effort defending authoritarian twattery developing decentralized, anonymous, cryponets?

youre an authoritarian.

I would like you to make a post detailing how this fictional society you have imagined will work, from start to finish. What rights would an individual have? What rights would a small business have (local salon or liquor store, for example)? What rights would a privately owned company have (like Hobby Lobby)? What rights would a corporation have (like Google)? What freedoms would each have? What freedoms would each lose? What would be the penalty if you mandated something like "free speech," and they violated it because they were being labeled as, say, the Search Engine of White Nationalists, or the Email Provider of White Nationalists (like how Gab is the Twitter of the Alt-right)? What would they be able to do to distance their property from a label that they do not want to be associated with?

I appreciate the kindness you've shown; implicitly acknowleging how hard youve been btfo by moving the goalposts so far from the original subject.

>What would they be able to do to distance their property from a label that they do not want to be associated with?

how about the reality most people dont give a shit about "labels"
(people care about quality of service, and price. incredlibly online activists whinging about USERS has never harmed a business's bottom line)

how about they tell the people that critizize them, that theyre fucking idiots, and point out why? (its the fucking USER, not the service)
can they not answer speech with speech of their own, rather than gutlessly knuckling under to groundless criticism?

how about they filter people out BEFORE finalizing a contract? (like the christfaggot baker, who helpfully pointed out other, nearby gay friendly bakeries, and was still willing to instruct the gay dude how to decorate it himself, and even sell him the supplies?)

how about they refund the fucking money?
how about they return the information they collect, if its a "free" service?
if it is somethig like a drycleaner, or a safety deposit box where your storing some property, how about they fucking give it back?

Your google account is your government issue ID

now, how about you try to understand even a little, how a free market works, and how reality is wildly different?
READ:
the wealth of nations (tons of criticism of "capitalism")
the road to serfdom
surveillance capitalism
mises/wikipedia: rent-seeking behavior
krebs/schneier - essays on feudal "security"

i chose the analogy of a rented aparment very deliberately.
your troubles do not end with just one "apartment complex", even if that apartment fairly compensated you for breaking their contract.

in the current technological regime (ISPs, websites, even real world shit like brick and mortar stores replaced by amazon, or car ownership being replaced by uber), we have what is in essence, a reversion to feudalism: namely that private ownership of "property", is defacto prohibited to all but the most wealthy, and acess to housing (or really any sort of property) has been turned into "service" where your acess to anything is dictated by the owners pleasure.
thus, being exiled from one service, is just switching from one oppresive overlord to another (provided that service will even admit you, instead of letting you die a vagrant)
that it is a matter of life or death is no exaggeration, as these tech giants inreasingly leak into, or flex their might, in the real world.

Well, I'm glad you finally admit that their decision was for PR/business purposes and not because something was illegal (which we can't determine until courts get involved).

>implicitly acknowleging how hard youve been btfo by moving the goalposts so far from the original subject
You were the one that moved the goalposts. I just followed you because I'm bored at work (working a double solo). If you want, I could get back to asking you to provide an example of someone that was banned for something other than having an offensive slogan as their address while inciting violence with that address.
>how about the reality most people dont give a shit about "labels"
Feel free to prove this claim.

>how about they tell the people that critizize them, that theyre fucking idiots, and point out why? (its the fucking USER, not the service)
can they not answer speech with speech of their own, rather than gutlessly knuckling under to groundless criticism?
Well, you sure don't seem to be responding to speech. It's almost like you and I have already made up our minds!

>how about they filter people out BEFORE finalizing a contract? (like the christfaggot baker, who helpfully pointed out other, nearby gay friendly bakeries, and was still willing to instruct the gay dude how to decorate it himself, and even sell him the supplies?)
So it's ok to refuse service if you are a baker, but not if you are in email provider? Also, are you suggesting that email providers should set up an interview before agreeing to provide service? That would increase costs substantially.

>how about they refund the fucking money?
>how about they return the information they collect, if its a "free" service?
I imagine that if I looked into their ToS, you would see that the users agree to lose the data. Don't like it? Don't use them. Don't want to pay them because of the risk? Good for you, they offer it for free.

Just do this

What was posted was illegal by Swiss laws. Just because they weren't legally obligated at that moment to delete the account doesn't mean that they wouldn't be. Regardless, there is still the fiduciary responsibility that they hold. Again, you haven't bitched about them banning ISIS accounts, despite the fact that they admit no court has demanded that they do so.

except I literally did defend "ISIS" you absolute fuckwit.
thoughtcrimes should not be punished, either by corporate vigilanteeism, or by tyrannical government overreach.

it is equally inane to cry about the "rights" of a corporation, as it is to cry about a constitution establishing limits on the "rights" of glownigger government agencies to oppress people.

>except I literally did defend "ISIS" you absolute fuckwit.
Ctrl+F: ISIS
3 Results, and not one is a defense of them.
>thoughtcrimes should not be punished, either by corporate vigilanteeism, or by tyrannical government overreach.
Well, guess what? Either the government is too small to control corporate vigilanteeism, or the government is big enough to blatantly overreach without consequence. Which one do you want?

>it is equally inane to cry about the "rights" of a corporation, as it is to cry about a constitution establishing limits on the "rights" of glownigger government agencies to oppress people.
Dude, this is going to come of as an ad hominem, but I really don't care. I have asked you question after question, and you seem to outright ignore almost all of them. This, to me, is a sign that you don't actually have an answer. But you DO have ideals, and you want everybody else to share them. The problem is that your ideals aren't practical. They break down the very second that you try to apply them in any way.

But I'll tell you what. You go start your own encrypted email service that is as easy to use as protonmail, and has all the features that it had a year ago. If you do that, and there is a way for me to use it, I will. And I will pay you exactly as much for it as I pay protonmail (which is nothing).

THAT'S free market. If you don't like the product, go make a better one and crush the competition.

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Why don't you listen?

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Stop using Google.

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>Which one do you want?

consumer side:
start your own fucking business
boycott unethical businesses
use, support, and advocate for ethical businesses

technological side:
own your own fucking servers
develop free/libre decentralized, anonymous software

fuck your false dichotomy

>I really don't care
what you are saying is this : establisment policy is favorable to you, so you have no incentive to change it
furthermore, you want to prevent it from changing, so you feel the need to repress political debate.
so you tell other people "im apolitical, its hopless, its boring, i dont care" as loudly and frequently as you possibly can, in hopes of stifling discussion.

if it bores you so much, if it is so pointless, why did you enter this thread
why did you read comments
why did you post a reply.

you are a liar.

your motive is not truth, but sophistry,
not ideals, but conformity and demoralization.
you may not be paid for it, but you are a shill.