Want help? >State budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing: >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS) >R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming >i5-9400F/9600K - Great gaming CPUs >R5 2600/X - Great multithreaded use CPUs >i7-9700K - Extreme solution for absolute max FPS >R7 2700/X - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing
RAM: >Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended >CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3200CL16 is ideal >AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
Graphics cards based on current pricing: >Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty 1080p >RX 570 8GB - good performance with great value >GTX 1660 - standard >RTX 2060 - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor) 1440p >RTX 2060 - standard >RTX 2080 - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor) 2160p (4K) >RTX 2080 - standard >RTX 2080Ti - better fit for 4K but expensive
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >Don't bother buying a new monitor for gaming unless it's 144Hz with adaptive sync >A 256GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor >Bottleneck checkers are worthless
because they were trash for a long time until they became acceptable when ryzen released
Ian Davis
What are some good SSDs to have as OS drives? Some Low-end 120/240gb SATA ones or a 120/240gb M.2 SSD? Ignore the ham piggy. She's just here for attention.
>6c/6t in 2019 user you can wreck those processors in 'gaming' performance by just opening discord.
Quit being a fucking shill and trying to sell shit products to people, this isn't even about Intel vs AMD, this is you being a fucking Jew
Also more games are moving to multicore support because AMD has made it so cheap, those Intels will only last this year at best.
Jaxon Morris
>multicore support will be much better soon >this time 4 real repeat forever, t. AMD shill handbook 2009
Angel White
>4channel.org/feedback We have to post to feedback about ban evasions, or that somehow someone wasn't banned for blatantly spamming and flooding? What are reports for then? I'm confused by what you're getting at.
Gabriel Lopez
>no argument No problem, you're sperging out over nothing like the schizo you are.
It's obvious you're still butthurt you didn't get to shill Vega trash in the OP, and the mods banned you for declaring reports.
Mason Young
I told you dumb niggers I don't care if you use AMD or Intel but don't sell shit Intel products.
I don't like AMD graphics cards myself but it's fucking stupid to act like I'm a shill
same thing here 1080p ultra the card just doesn't do anymore with newer things $400ish. currently 1080p but would like room to grow if I do decide to get a better monitor
Easton Morales
Mmm by a rapid search i can't find 1070tis used for nuthin
I see plenty of 1070 and some good 1080s non ti tho
I found pic related for under 300 what do u guys think
Do you have to play at ultra? high settings usually looks the same.
1080 for cheap is fine. That particular MSI model is alright. $300 though I'd only get if it has warranty left on it that's transferrable. You can get that new Vega 56 for that which is at least 90% as good and not used.
Jason Bennett
Nah lad shit's fine. It was a pain to screw it on the motherboard at first though. But it's worth it for the temps. And your PC looks like a fucking beast.
Carson Cooper
Why the fuck are you so set on selling shit intel products to people? Jesus fuck user actually get a life if you have to help a multi billion dollar company get money
Cooper Nguyen
Which color pallet is the most aesthetic? Getting a new case, mobo, gpu and ram. My 6 year old rig is showing it's age and tax return is coming soon.
seems like they perform about the same on KCD but both very poorly... this is Ultra unmodded with no user.cfg tweaks so welp it looks like i can only aim at locked 30fps
what's the powerdraw on the rx56 vs 1080ti both at stock btw
I have ommited the ODD, Vcard and storage drives because while i do have some ideas for them, they are not set in stone.
I VERY MUCH would like to utilize the freesync on my monitor which i already have, so that pretty much limits my vcard options to a 56, 64, or 500 series AMD card >lol nvidya does freesync now wyd there is so many asterisks attatched to that statement that i dont even want to touch it with a ten foot pole.
if anyone has any input about selecting s vcard, m.2 nVME ssd, or an ODD, i would greatly appreciate it. If you have any input on anything else on my system i would also like that too.
I'm building a new PC and I'm trying to figure out if I should get an i5 or an i7. I'm just gaming and programming. I won't be doing any video editing or streaming and I'm not much of a multitasker. I want the best bang for my buck.
Cameron Sanders
Taking my fourth shit of the day lads, how about you?
Buy used 1070 Ti/1080/1080 Ti instead of Turing bullshit. Better performance, lower price, more futureproof (higher VRAM versus RTX equivalent).
Hudson Hill
r7 1700 or r5 2600? same price atm
David Sanchez
>pcpartpicker.com/list/rg4gGG I've got a 60hz monitor that I'd still like to use, and apparently its important? This build is for games and multitasking.
Logan Allen
70-85fps is poorly? Seems fine for such a slow paced game. To me that's a good showing that Vega 56 is matching the 1080 when it's a $300 new card. If you want to run at 1440p ultra you'd probably need a 1080ti/2080/radeon vii.
>what's the powerdraw on the rx56 vs 1080ti both at stock btw Typically 212W (185W in power-save/quiet mode) on Vega 56. Some factory-OC can push it up to 231W. 1080Ti is 250W, but some factory OC models of cards go up to 280W or more stock.
But really, I'd recommend just turning AA down. You don't need 4X AA in 1440p. AA tends to look shit and runs even shittier in modern engines, sadly, except for supersampled methods. Also have you looked at the game in ultra vs high settings? For most modern games, high looks inperceptively the same as ultra. Ultra just makes shit run worse. But if you can't settle for not maxing the game, then yeah get a used 1080Ti.
Outside of the first few weeks, I haven't heard many complaints about Nvidia freesync support. If you can direct me to some, I'd like to see it. That said, as long as Vega prices are like they are compared to Nvidia, it's worth buying anyway.
Paste that comes with that cooler is hardly worse than gelid. $300 Vega 56 Pulse can't be beat for value. Surprised you didn't find it already. Why do you need NVMeme? Your case has 2.5" space. Even there are SATA M.2. I'm going to ignore that and recommend pcpartpicker.com/product/DgJtt6/western-digital-blue-1tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-wds100t2b0b instead. >how does pulse measure up to their nitro cards? Not as good, but still better than 90% of everything else quality and cooler wise, including compared to Nvidia models. I have the Red Dragon, which is the same PCB and nice, but I wish I had the Pulse.
Brandon Campbell
that cooler will come with paste that is better than the one you have selected. also pic a blower style card for that case, it's restrictive for airflow. vega 56 would be your best bet. also for the m.2 i used a crucial p1 and it's fucking awesome. 15 second boot times, installations take a couple minutes max, would choose again
Leo James
for 56 you want nano pcb(pulse or red dragon) - it has lower tdp, nitro is worth on 64
Blake Stewart
also, i have the b360 version of that motherboard and i'm a big fan of it.
You should typically never be getting an i5. Ryzen 5 is just better, even for shit like RPCS3 emulation where was i5 shill's last fake bastion. For gaming, generally you'd consider an i7-9700k because you also have a 2080Ti. >bang for my buck uh? going to need more info because what you've posted so far doesn't make sense.
He's been spamming for literally months like this and derailing threads he doesn't like the OP of with shitposts so I'd assume he was actually banned.
For gaming 2000 series is far better. I wouldn't get 1000 series for gaming unless you're ultra poor and can only afford that $80 microcenter 1600.
... why would you get that much for 1080p@60? That build will do 1440p@70-100+ easy. You can do 1080p@60 with a like $650 build. I see you have a monitor there. Are you adding another one? What constitutes "multitasking"? If you just want to tab out of games quickly and have twitch or whatever running in the background, that's going to be fine on a 2600/X.
I'm pretty sure it's the same 212W TDP, with 185W quiet and 231W turbo profiles, no matter the Vega 56? I'm pretty sure blowers had the same. The reason the nano PCB is so good is because the blow-through cooler is drastically better than blowing hot air against a PCB and getting choked trying to escape out the one side. I wish PCB/coolers like this were more common. They're amazing.
However, that user is making a mITX build where you don't really get those benefits. It's a shame no one makes a case like that with holes in the panel on the opposite side so the air blows out there instead of against the back panel. That's a design oversight on the cases.
Adrian Gonzalez
>pcpartpicker.com/list/jnXfQZ Don't get Gigabyte AMD boards. The Pulse V56 is on sale for cheaper, $300, unless you don't want to buy from Amazon. I guess it could be more with tax. 750W is excessive. 550-650W would be fine. Why the fuck that case? It'll be 90% empty space. >is it worth swapping out to an m.2? What do you mean worth? You can get m.2 1Tb drives for $110 like I linked above. That's cheaper than what you have there.
I'd fix some of your poor cost flaws in the build, and you could replace the HDD with a 2Tb QLC secondary SSD instead under the same budget unless you really need 1+3Tb instead of 1+2Tb.
Isaiah Martin
Is rx 590 good for low tier build?
Luis Sanders
Yeah, if it's cheaper than the GTX 1660, definitely go for it.
>Don't get Gigabyte AMD boards Would it be better if i were to get something like the ASRock X470 Master? >Why the fuck that case? It'll be 90% empty space i intend on keeping the hard drive enclosure in the forward position so that it will cover the hard drives and the disk reader so it wont look too empty also not many cases can have a disk reader that can be covered when not in use
Wyatt Brown
1660 is way better while consuming a fraction of the 590
Adam Turner
hi dad
Jose Stewart
Is a Scythe Mugen with Arctic fans really JustAsGood™ as a Noctua DH15?
Jacob Price
590 is not good for any tier build really, either get the 580 or get the 1660 (ti)
Carson Wright
The 590 frequently goes on sale below the price of the 1660.
Josiah Wright
the FX series and before had horrible architecture, consumed a shit ton of power and were super hot. but the Ryzen series is pretty revolutionary and is giving Intel a serious run for its money
Chase Bennett
this is a good reason to only take opinions from benchmark videos and articles
Nolan Clark
>MUH POWER CONSUMPTION!!! I fucking hate this meme, bro. It's like $20 more a year, fuck off.
Nathaniel Lee
I'm I'm pretty new to this stuff, thanks for putting up with shit budget distribution. >Are you adding another one? Yea, I read that some gpus can't handle monitors with different refresh rates well, (60 and 75for me), so I thought it would be worth mentioning. >What constitutes "multitasking"? The most I'd have at once is probably 20+ tabs open and a VM, coding environment, or game, but this might be an edge case. Most tolling games I play are probably Apex Legends or Minecraft w/ shaders with family. I guess I'll down to the 2600x. Is the current GPU too much? I'd like to take the sale, as it is not more than the 1660ti, but maybe there is an alternative?
Looking for feedback. RAM isn't included since I already have 2x16gig DDR4 3200 in the mail. 32 gigs might be overkill but it shouldn't cause problems right?
Total brainlet here who's going to build his first (sort of gaming) PC. Going for a mid-range 1080p/60fps build that should last me about 4 years. Don't need to be able to play the newest games on Ultra or anything.
Ryzen 5 2600X + RX 580 + 16 GB RAM should serve me well for a year or 4, right? Or is it weird/not recommended to have a PC with more expensive CPU than GPU?
I can understand this, but in a fresh build it is of little importance and the 590 doesn't need more than a 550W minimum either way. The consumption is grossly overrated.
>power consumption has more impact than power consumption Do tell, retard.
Adrian Reed
If you're moving large files or installing fuck huge games that overwhelm the 660p's SLC cache, then speeds drop like a rock. It also starts to drop at a faster rate than TLC SSDs as the drive gets fuller. I personally would use a smaller TLC SSD as an OS & game drive and then a QLC SSD for bulk storage if budget allowed for it.
John Bell
Huh so usually they are 240W, but the nano PCB are 212/185/231? That is a new card you bought and +30% is how it came out of the box? That's strange considering the Red Dragon runs pretty much in between Vega 56 and Vega 64 reference performance on its "turbo" profile which is +25%.
Depends on price. Generally 570 and 580 are better value, whereas the 1660 is the same or slightly more for what is a better card. RX590 only made sense when it came with the 3 games and you already planned on buying them.
For 'low tier' the RX570 tends to completely BTFO everything in value while still being able to do 60fps at high/ultra in most games. It might not matter when it's Vega 56 vs 2060 where it's a negligable difference, but the RX590 uses as much or more as Vega 56 does while being a much weaker card. And the 1660/ti is super efficient. Consumption of the 580/590 is not overrated. It uses as much as Vega 56 while Vega 56 is nearly twice as powerful. It's only overrated on the 570 and Vega. And the 580 does tend to be cheap enough that the power consumption doesn't really matter.
Master is a little overpriced for what you get, but it's okay. What are your actual needs. Like why is the B450 Tomahawk not enough for what you're doing? MSI even supports voltage offset now.
It's incredibly close, with the pack of Arctic fans leaving you with 3 or 4 left over 120mm fans to use as case fans which you likely need. That's the main reason you go for the combo is you need the case fans and are buying the 5 pack or 6 pack of Arctic fans already.
A new console generation is coming, so you might have to drop to like maxed textures but medium-high for other settings on next gen games. If you're not okay with that, I'd get the RX570 now and upgrade when it no longer runs what you want how you want.
>A new console generation is coming, so you might have to drop to like maxed textures but medium-high for other settings on next gen games. >If you're not okay with that, I'd get the RX570 now and upgrade when it no longer runs what you want how you want. That already sounds plenty powerful to me. If I'm not looking to play the next gen titles, the combination I mentioned should be fine for a year or 4 then, right? Or should I watch out for some other things? Again, it will be my first time doing this.
Thanks in advance.
Eli Jackson
How much more powerful is the RTX 2000 series compared to a 1660 ti
Benjamin Miller
How good will an m.2 SATA 250gb MX500 perform as a windows boot drive? I'll only use it for the OS + Web browsers and VMs.
I have one and it's really good, no need to run it as a boot drive though, honestly. Just partition everything how you want it.
1660ti false a little short of the 2060 and gets btfo by everything else.
Jackson Hughes
really should get some extra space for your gaems and other stuff but 250gb is enuff so...
not by a great deal. w10 already boots under 10s on HDDs.
Parker Williams
>Intel is garbage at everything. People unironically bought those because they Trust In™ the Intel brand.
That said, people usually don't spend most of their time moving large files, which is also why NVMeme are a waste of money except sometimes for servers and/or workstations.
What is this even for? What the fuck is up with that case? You need a monitor.
How cheap? What price is the 570, 580, 590, 1660, 1660ti, and vega56 in your country? What is your monitor?
I mean why would it not last 4 years if you just play old stuff? Check youtube and search "rx570 [game i like to play]" and see how it runs, basically. I think people assume it's less powerful than it is simply because it's ridiculously cheap.
Bad because boot drive is a meme. Get something big enough to put shit you actually use on it. You can use StoreMI too, but meh I'd still have 3 drives total for that.
You can manually add component links to it, you retard. Fuck off with the blog; your build is shit.
~20% iirc. Will depend on the games, though. More or less depending on the game.
Huh. That's different from my Red Dragon. Mine is 185 (quiet), 212W (balanced, which is also basically the 210W TDP listed for Vega), and 231W (turbo).
Kevin Richardson
>>lol nvidya does freesync now wyd >there is so many asterisks attatched to that statement that i dont even want to touch it with a ten foot pole. It works a fuckload better than I ever imagined. the only issue comes when trying to use multiple monitors that are different types. other than that, no tearing, no...shocked by how well it works. BTW, not a shill for Nvidia or AMD. I just found Nvidia easier to build and easier to use. when I get the shekels, ginghams to build an AMD just to have it and see how it works in direct comparison..
Austin Bailey
*crack knuckles* *opens up a mosnter drink* wheres the memory speed and timing did you seriously added one of the worse SSD adapters there is you sure 1000D can take four 480mm rads? the site claims 2 480, one 360 and another 240 why do you have 4 reservoir? where are the pumps?
Josiah Lee
Alright, thanks for the affirmation. I'll be going for the 2600X + RX 580 combo then.
Alexander Brown
I have a cheap pc I build that I want to upgrade so I can run Forza 4 faster. Right now I'm hovering around 45-50 fps on a 1080p 60hz monitor.
>EVGA GTX 760 2gb >i3-8100 3.60 ghz >gigabyte H310M A mobo >PS 650 GSM 650W power >8gb ram >windows 10
What would you upgrade first?
Josiah Morris
that GPU is the biggest bottleneck but really you should upgrade everything.
Hunter Baker
There is the only over displayport issue. What if the displayport dies on the monitor, or the card? Then you're stuck without adaptive sync. Some monitors don't have displayport, limiting choices. Freesync over HDMI is really convenient to have. >I just found Nvidia easier to build and easier to use How can you know this not having done a comparable AMD build?
Why'd you even buy the 8100 to begin with? Wtf. This would be a lot easier if you had spent like $30 more for a 2600 back then. You can upgrade the awful GPU, but you still might get stutters because of only 4 threads. I'm not sure how that game runs. Get an RX570, in that case. It's about twice as good as what you currently have.
Not sure what problem there is with the case, I don't care if it looks fancy and it's affordable. I'd appreciate recommendations, thanks.
Robert Rogers
it drops to sub 60 in some scenes if u watch the vid, plus the nigger isn't even running everything on ultra and abysmal viewing distance and LOD settings
I'm running those at double Ultra plus ENB, reshade and other user.cfg tweaks so yea the best u can hope for is 30fps
I don't think even a 2080ti is enough to lock 60 at ultra+ settings sadly
Lucas Phillips
Guys help decide which monitor I should get me onegai please. I'm web/python developer.
The fan on my Hyper 212 evo finally died. What's the best 120mm fan to replace it with? Preferably $25 or less, ideally if it has an LED it would be either white or RGB so it can match my white case fan LEDs. No LED is fine.
Dominic Bell
I bought it because it was on sale for about 60ish bucks, I bought the card for $40. Thank you for the recommendation though.
