>All is changing with Windows Subsystem for Linux 2. Instead of emulating the Linux kernel APIs on the NT kernel, WSL 2 is going to run a full Linux kernel in a lightweight virtual machine. This kernel will be trimmed down and tailored to this particular use case, with stripped-down hardware support (since it will defer to the host Windows OS for that) and faster booting.
>The Linux kernel is GPLed open source; the GPL license requires that any modifications made to the code must be published and made available under the GPL license. Microsoft will duly comply with this, publishing the patches and modifications it makes to the kernel. WSL 2 will also use a similar split as the current WSL does: the kernel component will be shipped with Windows while "personalities" as provided by the various Linux distributions can be installed from the Microsoft Store. Say it with me: EMBRACE EXTEND EXTINGUISH
>Instead of emulating the Linux kernel APIs on the NT kernel Don't they simply implement it? I mean, you don't emulate an interface, you implement it. Implementing API doesn't have any inherent inefficiency (apart from the fact that your functionality might not fit well into the target API). >WSL 2 is going to run a full Linux kernel in a lightweight virtual machine Doesn't it mean it's going to be less efficient?
i think they want to convert Linux as their Virus Scanner.
Camden Green
No.
Anthony Williams
They're still aiming for SaaS and the "cloud" / container market, so... what else could they do?
Ultimately it's still all pandering to Microsoft Sysadmins who can't into Linux, though. Because all of this is and will remain on Linux.
> EXTEND EXTINGUISH I don't think this plan will work, all the companies and entities that could make it work aren't in favour of Microsoft succeeding here.
Tyler Jackson
>VM Why not do it the way Interix used to work? Or is that functionality no longer present in Windows?
Nathaniel Brooks
This is a dumb solution to this problem since the Linux kernel can already run as a user-space program. As was done by Cooperative Linux to provide a WSL-like experience all the way back in 2004.
It will mean no running WSL and non-Hyper-V hypervisors at the same time.
and here I am with a CPU that has no support for Hyper-V
Angel Gray
>buying intel meme'd
Carter Kelly
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Windows, is in fact, GNU/kWindows, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus the Windows kernel. Windows is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Windows", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is Windows, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Windows is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Windows is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with the Windows kernel added, or GNU/kWindows. All the so-called "Windows" distributions are really distributions of GNU/kWindows.
Liam Wright
if linus wasn't a retard and gpl3'd linux we wouldn't have had this problem
Isaac Gomez
All the work in the first WSL was FOR NOTHING
Jose Miller
Who knew that Microsoft would be the one to bring the Year of the Linux Desktop?
Thomas Scott
>embrace extend extinguish
Sebastian Watson
SPYWARE INSIDE
Samuel Gutierrez
honestly, by the time it's extended, it's already too late microsoft won
You guys know you can run GNU+Linux on bare metal, right? There's no reason to run microsoft's bloated collection of malware as a host.
Jaxson Hall
What's the use case of this?
Linux users almost always despise Windows and have no interest in using it, and Linux software due to its open nature usually is ported to as many OSes as possible including Windows.
Is all this effort done only to enable lazy CS students to have steam running and do their exercises at the same time?
windows will always be NT based, they spent years trying to unravel the spaghetti code and failed.
Thomas Moore
>the kernel component will be shipped with Windows while "personalities" as provided by the various Linux distributions can be installed from the Microsoft Store
and they just failed again with wsl so they are going to ship linux in a vm
Angel Gutierrez
>Is all this effort done only to enable lazy CS students to have steam running and do their exercises at the same time?
you fucking nailed it
Owen Jenkins
>Linux users almost always despise Windows and have no interest in using it Only contrarian faggots and Stallman cock suckers despise Windows Everyone else knows that Windows is arguably the better desktop OS and WSL was a way to run Windows and have easy access to an Uniix-like environment and all the tools that come with it
Eli Barnes
and developers. they want the itoddlers too so they can push their premium hardware (pic related)
ridiculous reply to my post if you stopped bragging your stupid opinion for one second you'd realize that Linux users value privacy and customizability, and most of all want their OS to be a passive tool tailored to their needs opposed to an "experience" the user has little control over. Windows is literally the worst OS possible for these requirements so no matter how much you propagade the pro's Windows has they won't switch because they don't give a fuck about the things you're apperantly so passionate about. Sorry pal.
Asher Johnson
its a bit sick and its not necessary. it's a cancer, eating linux from the inside. this is the enemy, remember. they achieved nothing at all with their code base apart from financial control
Eli Rodriguez
Because Bash scripting is really fucking nice compared to Powershell but I'm not going to go switch to a Fisher Price OS to access it, so now I get both.
Xavier Powell
>they achieved nothing at all with their code base apart from financial control
And about 50x more market share, Lintard.
Logan Jones
This is going to give the open source community key insights on how the NT kernel works internally, this could be great for Wine. It's going to be by far the closest, most tightly integrated to NT thing that has ever been released
Nathaniel Lewis
Imagine thinking an OS designed around forcing round pegs into round holes but needing to modify the config file of the hole-block manually because the hole is too small and no one wants to develop a UI with most nix tools because reasons is the "better OS".
Bentley Wilson
>being this bad at bait
Caleb Hill
But Steam is the one gaming platform that runs decently well on linux?
Anthony Moore
>Microsoft will duly comply with this, publishing the patches and modifications it makes to the kernel
Microsoft will be making changes and possibly even contributions to the linux kernel. Not sure how to feel about this.
Jordan Gray
Your post was ridiculous was begin with Being a Linux user doesn't mean you have to despise Windows and unless you are fully invested into free software, you will realize Windows has it's place which is the desktop while Linux has it's place in servers and dedicated workstations This is why WSL worked in the first place with alot of people as they wanted there PCs to be desktops first and a dev environment second and WSL allowed to to do that
William Foster
So can I get System D botnet and Windows 10 botnet all at once! AWESOME
obvious fucking samefag astroturfer
Carter James
They've been platinum members of the Linux foundation for a while, you're late.
Samuel Bailey
They submitted their first patches over a decade ago through TurboLinux whom they had partnered up with secretly long ago. Intel was helping, the cover was the Tizen project, which descended from Moblin.
Landon Jackson
Probably for the best. I tried using wsl for development and it's just broken shitfest full of bugs. Literally no reason to not just use linux. This WSL just sounds like some faux vm implementing some neue linux HAL that ties into whatever gross NTism garbage.
They might as well just fix wsl and allow the wsl team to push updates more rapidly instead of bundling them with whatever bundled monthly crap updates m$ shits out.
Dear Windows viral marketing team Stop trying to make Linux on Windows a thing. The whole point of Linux is to escape Windows cancer, not to use Linux.
