Want help? >State the budget & CURRENCY >List your uses e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors include purpose & graphics pairing >NO Speccy or "bottleneck checkers"
CPUs based on current prices >R7 2700/X - Best value high-end CPU on a non-HEDT platform >Threadripper - HEDT
RAM >NEVER use only a single stick >8GB - very light use, and/or if you don't mind closing programs regularly >16GB - standard amount. If you have to ask if you need more, you don't >CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2800MHz+ is ideal. Check "more" for true latency formula
Graphics cards based on current pricing: >Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty 1080p >RX 570/580 - value. >1660 - Slightly better perf for more demanding games on high/maxed 60fps+; > 1660Ti / 1070 / Vega56 / 2060 - higher framerates 1440p (WQHD) >1070Ti / Vega / - 60-120fps+ in most games on high/maxed >Radeon VII or 2070 Overclocked - Worth considering >2080Ti - higher framerates 2160p (4k) >Radeon VII - weaker than 2080ti >RTX 2080Ti - good, but poor value.
Other >Consider a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & HDD >M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard >Consider 75hz display minimum; 60hz are old models >PLAN BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >AIOs don't change the laws of thermodynamics
>P5KPL-CM An ancient core2quad with no hyperthreading. A toaster OEM lying around someone's office will perform better.
Adam Perez
>P5KPL-CM motherboard site >support >CPU / Memory CPU >Best [core 2] CPU on the list It's not really worth it. It's like $50 for a USED CPU for that. So you spend $50. A year later your board breaks. Now you need a new board and can't find them and/or they're ridiculous prices. Meanwhile you can get an $80 R5 1600 and a $40 board from Microcenter. Or get a whole Haswell i7 system for $175.
There is a limit to the extremes of poorfagging in which it winds up costing you more money.
It's a better option than the 2080 since the 2080 is too expensive for an 8Gb card. Though while a bit slower, a good model of 2070 like the STRIX overclocked is probably a better option for most people who aren't too lazy to do a simple OC. It seems to reach within 10% of the 2080 and Radeon VII. And granted, you can OC the Radeon VII as well, you'll need to replace the cooler to get good results on that.
You can also get RX570 4Gb new for $65-75 instead of worrying about used. That user really doesn't have to do all that, getting old b350 boards when MSI's b450 ones are much better, to get his cost under $800. There are much bigger issues with that build than simply not further cheaping out on the board.
That said... that Strix board up for bid could be a steal. But those CPUs on Ebay are worse than the Newegg deal as the selling the games is basically a rebate.
Landon Harris
right now I have xeon e5335 in GA-G31MX-S2 and some undedermined shitter in P5KPL-CM and I'm just comparing options. Looking to build a home server out of an old toaster and I have to admit I'm really out of touch
Angel Nguyen
yeah, thanks, I do agree, although I had to ask currently I have an i5 4460 (3.20GHz) in ) MSI Z97 PC Mate(MS-7850) and I was looking what's the best I could upgrade that for and I though my old i5 would maybe fir since P5KPL manual was ambiguous about the support
MSI Z97 PC Mate(MS-7850) can accomadate 5th gen i7 and no newer, right?
Grayson Edwards
pcpartpicker.com/list/jRBxpG How does this look for 1440p? the vega 64 nitro+ is currently cheaper than ist nvidia counterpart in my country, so i went for it, but im open to suggestions, also, i dont have to buy right now, so ill probably change the cpu to a 3600x when it comes out.
John Cook
shit, i forgot to remove the peripherals, sorry, i wanted to account for them in the price since im building from scratch
Adam Garcia
It also demolishes the 2080 Ti in Double Precision and the 16GB of HBM + HBCC are great for 3D modelling.
- Looks nice and simple - No RGB cancer - Available without useless glass (and this version is cheaper) - Six 3.5" drives (up to 11 with additional brackets) - why is it so hard to find a good modern case where storage is not an afterthought? - Still supports a 5.25" drive - Filters everywhere, easy to remove and clean - Silence-focused, but still has decent cooling and gives you a choice for more cooling with the top cover removed - 3x140mm fans already included - New revisions have a USB-C port on the front
I have xeon e5335 in GA-G31MX-S2 400w psu Radeon HD 4350 - 512 MB gpu which I think is inconsequential, not sure if it's worth upgrading if I only want the box to run linux and serve files
Jack Jackson
>getting old b350 boards when MSI's b450 ones are much better As I recall they were basically identical.
Do you really need a 1 TB OS drive? Why not get a 256 GB SSD and a 4 TB HDD? Also be sure to get a quieter 5400 rpm HDD. Make sure you're getting the version of the Meshify C you want. Once again you can find Nitros and other AIB Vega cards on ebay for cheaper and after powermodding, the 64 and 56 are indistinguishable.
I have a 512 GB SSD right now. 66 GB is used by Windows 10 LTSC 2019, 54 GB are my documents and photo library, and only 107 GB are used by my programs and currently installed games.
Could easily get away with a 256 GB SSD. Meanwhile I use 3 TBs on my HDDs for archived movies, tv shows, anime, and old games. They're 4 TB NAS drives mirrored. They're loud and clicky because they're 7200 rpm and they're meant for server racks.
For desktops I still recommend bare minimum SSDs and large quiet HDDs. You could arguably go all SSD today for a premium, but 5400 rpm HDDs aren't going to be heard over a quiet case fan.
Hudson Clark
>For desktops I still recommend bare minimum SSDs and large quiet HDDs on the last version of my build literallly everyone replied with different variations of "OH SHIT NIGGER WTF ARE YOU DOING" when i went for a smaller ssd and a 5400rpm drive
My mistake I doublecounted, only 53 GB are used by my programs and games currently installed.
Charles Flores
>As I recall they were basically identical. MSI is the one manufacturer who much improved theirs. ASUS also improved their TUF boards in a later revision, in 2019. A lot of b350 boards were really bad as they had no faith in AMD at the time. Remember the whole supply shortages of AMD boards in 2017?
But that strix board is a b350 worth getting, sure.
>perfect Too large. Anything over 41 liters is automatically trash.
You can put a 4790k in that Z97 board, of course, yes. Might possibly support a 5775C, check mobo CPU support page, as well but good luck finding one cheap. 4790/k with fast RAM is still good for gaming today outside a few exceptions.
Yes. Radeon VII is the most fp64 for the money.
Some people don't buy the benefit of SSDs. I would disagree. No reason to put those loud and slow drives in a PC anymore except in a pcpartpicker.com/list/jRBxpG >How does this look for 1440p? the vega 64 nitro+ is currently cheaper than ist nvidia counterpart in my country, so i went for it I'd grab the card before the sale ends. Stick with the stock cooler and see if you really think you need to upgrade it after using it. If you do upgrade it, Freezer 33 or PureRock are better options. MSI Tomahawk is just as good if not better of a bought for cheaper. Aren't the Arctic 120mm PWM fans better than the cougar ones? Or are they not avail in your country? Are you sure the VG271U is better than the Edg 27 V2 or the new 850 model of LG VA? >waiting for 5GB large raw dolphin porn videos to load from a hdd I don't share your opinion, but fair enough. I don't completely insist people not use HDDs either outside a NAS, I just recommend against it. Ya, people disagree. For a lot of us, SSDs are so cheap that HDDs have become pointless for a desktop. Why deal with the noise, slowness, and space inefficiency of spinning rust?
Kevin Lee
I suppose future games could theoretically use significantly more storage space, but between StoreMI and the fact that TB/$ drops dramatically, you may as well just buy a bigger drive only when you need it.
Thomas Flores
>Aren't the Arctic 120mm PWM fans better than the cougar ones? ah shit, i meant to change those but i forgot >Are you sure the VG271U is better than the Edg 27 V2 or the new 850 model of LG VA? honestly, finding a decent 1440p monitor that suited my needs was so much of a pain in the ass that i just went with the first decent option i found
is there any benefit to buying a z390 mobo with a i7 8700?
Henry Bailey
>SSDs are so cheap 4TB HDD is $100 2TB SSD is $250+
James Richardson
More than half a dozen games currently use over 130GB as their install size. I have many myself which are over 50GB each.
I have a TB drive and it's not enough, but I recognize it's enough for most I guess. But hell back when we were stuck on HDDs, it seemed like 2TB was pretty standard for people. 1TB is really easy to fill. 2TB SSD just aren't cheap enough just yet.
We've had a few anons here complain about the 500GB recommendations that some other anons would give, too. What happens is when you can finally actually install shit to an SSD instead of HDD, you get so comfortable with it and how fast everything is that you don't want to use the HDD anymore. 120-256 is too small to get a significant amount installed to realize how much more comfy it's starting to become. All 500GB does is spoil you into wanting more. That's why I recommend 1TB outside of mega-poor builds.
>mercari.com/us/item/m71923127722/ $181. Sure it's a little more than double, but it's well beyond twice as fast in addition to being quieter and less liable to fail.
Chase Lopez
If you have a NAS or mostly do streaming I can agree, but anyone archiving on the same machine can't risk finite read/writes.
non-K, no, hell bios mod a z170 board, the vrm will be fine.
Xavier Parker
>$181 That's a refurbished SSD.
And you don't need SSD speeds on a drive that is used for long-term storage. Until the price/GB is the same between HDDs and SSDs, going all-SSD is not an optimal way to spend your money.
Matthew Reyes
Due to the fact that i would have many gaymes installed along with other programs that i would like to boot faster, ill keep my current storage option, but will get a larger storage hdd down the line new version of the build: pcpartpicker.com/list/YDyQr6
Nathan Ward
It's not impossible but both run at lower frequencies and above 60 fps that becomes a big bottleneck. For Threadripper 1 & 2 there's also the issues with NUMA causing memory latency.
Michael Gray
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Julian Sanchez
imo the better use of StoreMI is going to be when you can get a 4Tb SSD for $250, but it's not as fast or enduring, but you can pair it with a faster and reliable
idk why would you buy a 8700k? One benefit I can think of is that Z390 chipset is on a smaller node and uses a little less power.
I would go with the 2 options I listed as the XV271U and XV272U both seem to have persistent backlight, dead pixel, etc issues. Nixeus warranty isn't perfect, but it's better than most monitors. Just a single dull/dead/bright pixel in the center region is enough to get a replacement (though it can have up to 3 around the edges, and in that case you'd have to return to retailer)
>pcpartpicker.com/list/YDyQr6 Other than not being a huge fan of the monitor, it looks fine. I'd get to buying whatever parts you have good deals on (think you said you weren't US but don't have local prices in there) as you think more on the monitor?
why are you highlighting your response from a previous thread?
>Are threadrippers or xeons ever used for gaymen? It's hit or miss. Sometimes it's the best. Sometimes it's just "playable" at 80fps+ with Game Mode but not amazing.
Because why type my question again if I can just link to it?
Jonathan Reyes
That's fair. When I said bare minimum I meant based on your current usage. I can't actually say the Vega 64 is a good value purchase. It's just too close in performance to the Vega 56 to justify.
I'm planning on getting nearly the exact same build (but with 450-500 watt PSU and 250 GB SSD instead) and was told earlier the stock cooler it comes with should be fine
Evan Baker
I just researched a bit and holy shit >alternative monitor options not available in my country and no shipment >free games promotion doesnt apply to my country
Precision Boost Overdrive or XFR2 (Extended Frequency Range 2), one of the great features of Ryzen is that it has fairly good turbo boost that on Ryzen 2000 series actually outperforms manual all core overclocks by allowing 1-2 cores to reach higher frequencies when possible. I think it's exclusive to the X models. This is on the order of a good 2700X reaching ~4.1 GHz all core but ~4.25 GHz PBO. The only issue is that PBO usually overvolts the Vcore so if you're motherboard doesn't allow negative values for adaptive sync you may be risking it. Ask customer support.
So, my computer that used to work isn't working anymore. When I hit the power button it turns on but then immediately turns off again. So, suspecting a short I started unplugging power cables from the PSU until it would power on. The PSU powered on and stayed powered on after I disconnected the power cable for the CPU. The computer itself obviously won't boot like this but the MB powers on and displays a diagnostic message on it's on board LED. Does this mean my MB is still good but my CPU is bad?
Caleb Roberts
what diagnostic message? could be VRM being ded. cant really assert it just like this.
tried to unplug all memory sticks and reboot with only 1 alternating the slots?
Cooper Russell
MB is more likely to be dead than a CPU. But dead VRM could also result in a dead CPU.
Andrew Reed
It's 'FF' Probably from the CPU power not being plugged in. I'll try the RAM trick.
IT's an old fx-8350. Do they even still make MBs for it?
Angel Davis
Oh is that so. Thanks for the explanation. I'm not interested in all that stuff though, so I think I'll just use the 2600X with stock cooler and cheap Micro-ATX 450 Motherboard
Mason Walker
Posted in an earlier thread today about RAM and still trying to decide.
for the last upgrade Imma do to an old 4770k build. Moving from the 8gb I have now that is 1600/CL8. Think moving up to 16 will make me feel fine about not making a full new computer for a couple more years.
Honestly not even sure if I should bother since the 8gb has been working fine. I just moved up to a 1440p monitor though along with a new video card so thought I might as well look into ram options in case that 8 starts feeling low.
Nathan Flores
whats the mobo? likely the manual will have it
Aiden Harris
im gonna update my gaming computer and so far im stuck at the CPU because my motherboard is old. currently have a i5-6600k CPU and the best CPU i can get with the current motherboard is an i7-7700k. should i update my motherboard now or wait 4~5 years to then upgrade it? what am i looking for in a motherboard? it been 4 years since i built it
current motherboard is Asus - Z170-AR ATX LGA1151.
Leo Bell
I still hope X2 GPUs will come back since crossfire/SLI is shit and dead
Gabriel Robinson
Source for pics? That shit looks unorganized af
Sebastian Anderson
>1600/CL8
Meant to say CL9. Same as one of the two links but 2 4 sticks instead of 2 8 sticks.
Asher Ross
X2 GPUs are no different from SLI/Crossfire.
Michael Robinson
It was a power issue error. My MB had two spots for CPU power and with only one of them plugged in the computer posts for some reason. What does this mean? I feel like I've got it narrowed down now though. I'm going to check for a short in the second cable. The second cable had two connectors but only one plugs into the MB. I'm thinking the second connector might be shortting.
Zachary Brown
I thought they were counted as one GPU instead of two seperate ones?
Henry Cruz
you might need a bios update a i7 will make some good difference, you should consider it if you already got good cooling
Lucas Cox
Not him but your right. Get an X2 instead of corssfire. Crossfire has to be supported. X2 works on everything.
Hudson Jones
be careful to add the right connector if you accidentally stick a 6 or 8 pin connector to it, you might blow your mobo up
Ayden Cooper
Well, I just plugged everything back in the way it was before and there was a loud beeping and the smell of something burning. It's the same cpu cable I used before and used to work fine. It's one of those split CPU cables with only one half plugged it. IT has worked for yaers like this I'm not sure what's going on.
Carson Watson
Idk if you guys remember from the other day but I'm the user with the ASRock b450m pro4 and Team Dark Pro 3200mhz RAM who was trying to trouble shoot why it was failing and overclock it.
Recently I sent it back and got a new pair and this time the OC is far more stable, I'm pretty sure my last stick was defective because it'd sometimes fail to post but only sometimes.
Is there a reason to raise the Voltage on it to 1,45? I wanted to know if that would increase stability but I'm not overclocking past the ryzen calculator limits.
I'm going to try pulling ram. and see what happens.
Mason Flores
Best pc i can build for 1k? No monitor needed
Hoping to game at 1440p if possible
Joshua Bennett
Okay, I'm getting q-code 62 as well are repeated eqaul interval long beeps. Apartantly this can mean ram. I need to get this figured out before microcenter closes.
Hunter Bennett
X2 is still Crossfire. It will work regardless of the motherboard support, but is still completely useless if the game you're playing is incompatible with multi-GPU.
>smell of something burning means vrm or a coil, if you are lucky that was a coil and your mobo didnt fried the processor. it should literally never return to post. your mobo is 100% gone.
James Walker
good context
Jackson Nguyen
Computer noob here, Is it okay to have multiple SSD's? Everyone I know has a SSD and then just 1-2 harddrives, but I've been using a samsung 960 pro and I'm thinking of just getting another one
Brody Lopez
what gfx+cpu for MAXIMUM FRAMES? like, idgaf about raytracing or ultra textures or any of that nonsense. do you have the right ports to plug in another one? fuckin' go for it.
Brody Gonzalez
no its not okay the SSD fairies will get you in your sleep and beat you with the spares SSDs
wat monitor? see OP for a pretty good guideline
Benjamin Lopez
1440p, if only because there doesn't seem to be any good 1080 screens anymore
David Ortiz
OH shit I got error code b2 not 62. The computer boots but starts beeping. Once my LSI raid array is done initiallizing. Let me try removing it and see what happens.
Christian Hill
Then get a 2600.
Ethan Moore
you had HDDs connected to it? better leave them off until you get any other message out of it.
i honestly dont think you will get anything. what do error 62 means in your mobo manual
is it 75hz or 144hz? for 144hz maxed you need something liek 2080ti, radeon vii for 75hz you can make due even with 2070 or vega 64
Nicholas Stewart
Is sound isolation meme on pc cases worth it? Never had one, never was near one
Matthew Carter
I started it without the raid card it doesn't beep or make anywierd smells anymore but it doesn't start to OS either which is wierd since the OS is on an SSD that is still connected. IT just hangs at that screen were it does the amount of ram and mobo and CPU model.
Isaiah Gonzalez
press del esc f2 or whatever to get in the bios
smell the HDD, heck, go to another room with it. is it burnt?
Jaxon White
>75hz or 144hz? >MAXIMUM FRAMES? gee, I wonder? R7 it is. regular 2080 isn't a contender, iyo?
Jackson Hill
it is but not exactly futureproof. you might need to check benchmarks, as far as i know you will keep above 120fps in most AAA gaems
Daniel Perez
Damn it's going to be a massive pain in the ass to get that ssd out with this set up.
Oliver Lopez
the stuff you took out is smelling? leave the SSD on, you will need to verify if the bios recognizes it
what raid you got? im pretty sure you still have a working system, including that SSD still plugged in
Zachary Young
Anyone use a DC-LT pump before? Thinking about just cooling my CPU with some cheap parts, no res, no extras. Just rubber hoses, barb fittings, pump, chinese block, and 120mm rad
Logan Lopez
Sometimes ebay sellers ship internationally. Ah yeah, America gets the best sales. I forget people aren't US when US prices are set on pcpp.
There are mATX. mITX is a waste of the platform.
>I can't actually say the Vega 64 is a good value purchase. It's just too close in performance to the Vega 56 to justify. The price:performance of Vega 64 is worse, as is every more expensive card, but the guaranteed Samsung HBM is worth something. It's a bit of a step up for higher framerates without going all the way up to a $700 card. Not to mention it's a pretty sick card. It's literally the best model for Vega and all.
Navi must be close, though, or a sale this good wouldn't exist. Note how the Red Devil 64, the second best one, is already sold out.
pcper. It is strange how the 2950X doesn't match 2990WX game mode, though, but others have shown the same For Honor result and such.
Uhh no the original reply was right. X2 is crossfire on a single card. It is seem in the driver has 2 GPUs.
9700k overclocked + 2080Ti overclocked will give you the highest possible FPS. Though you still won't get 144 in everything as many games just run shit or are locked at 60.
Adam Walker
There's no smell anymore at all. I think might have just been dust since the computer wasn't run for half a year. It's a LSI raid card. IT says my CSM is compatable with boot devices and it adjust settings but nothing i'm trying is workin. I also can't find the location to select boot device to know if the mother board is seeing the ssd right now.
Brody Foster
Hey, guys! I'm building a budget gaming PC for my sister, mainly for The Sims 4, internet and office stuff. Is this a decent build? Trying to keep it under/close to U$1000.
mobo: ASRock A320M-HD AM4 mATX DDR4 gpu: Gigabyte RX 570 4gb gddr5 cpu: Ryzen 5 2600X 19MB cache 3.6GHz (4.25GHz Max Turbo) with Wraith Spire cooler SSD: Kingston 240GB - read: 500MB/s - write 350 MB/s HDD: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200 rpm RAM: HyperX Fury 16GB(2x8gb stick) 3200Mhz DDR4 CL18 Power Supply: EVGA 450W Monitor: she's got one already Mouse and Keyboard: same as above
>price:performance of Vega 64 someone posted a 400 usd vega 64 around here from newegg with 2 games, it should beat the p/p of 2070 by a signifcant margin
Zachary Hall
wow that sucks, might try to clean everything then? any clue of how the thermal paste is, or even if you can reaply it? got a can or air or something to blast it with? usually PCs dont survive burnt smell attempts, would be nice to ensure you wont get any more false negatives like that
if you reinsert it, it should cause issues again. really tempted to tell you to do this just to confirm its the card, but it might actually short the mobo and burn it.
if it was working properly either the storages were linked to it or they need it to function. i think you have a working PC, you just need a clean install on the SSDs that still work. you sure the storages werent connecting directly to it?
Mason Campbell
I looks like it isn't recognizing the sdd or the spair hdd that are plugged in besides the raid array. I'm not sure if it's because both are bad or the sata is bad. The boot priorities option is grey out which is why I think this.
Thomas Walker
ditch the HDD and just get a 1TB SSD.
what's the total cost of that build? someone made a good budget gaming pc which was around $700 a few days ago.
Logan Wood
can you confirm they are connected directly to the mobo? power from the PSU?
do you have a spare sata storage to try something with it? sata cables from somewhere else?
since ye sis is not a power user you can easily downgrade storage and ram to save monies not sure about the GPU tho, there may be cheaper options but with old games that can be modded, its hard to figure out.
Joseph Myers
1TB SSB costs U$200, in my country. >what's the total cost of that build? It costs U$830, here.
Jacob Hall
IT's a SATA ssd. It doesn't seem to be detecting anything from the sata ports. I'm wondering if they are not recieving power properly for some reason. IT just keeps saying "The current BIOS settings do not fully support the boot device " and " goto advanced> boot> CSM parameters"
Levi White
half gig SSD might just overkill it
Elijah Jones
I'm wondering about the power thing as well.. going to take me a minute to decipher where all of these cables are going. half the problem is the case is so damned cramped despite being so big.
