Want help? >State budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing: >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS) >R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming >i5-9400F/9600K - Great gaming CPUs >R5 2600/X - Great multithreaded use CPUs >i7-9700K - Extreme solution for absolute max FPS >R7 2700/X - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing
RAM: >Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended >CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3200CL16 is ideal >AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
Graphics cards based on current pricing: >Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty 1080p >RX 570 8GB - good performance with great value >GTX 1660 - standard >RTX 2060 - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor) 1440p >RTX 2060 - standard >RTX 2080 - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor) 2160p (4K) >RTX 2080 - standard >RTX 2080Ti - better fit for 4K but expensive
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >Don't bother buying a new monitor for gaming unless it's 144Hz with adaptive sync >A 256GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor >Bottleneck checkers are worthless
>Intel, Nvidia >high prices Just because AMD can barely match i5 and 2060 performance doesn't mean anything better than that is expensive.
Landon Roberts
>AMD CPU's weak in emulation >AMD GPU's also weak in emulation Yeah, this is totally nvidia and intels fault. It's not because AMD still uses GCN or that they refuse to focus on single core preformance.
Grayson Ramirez
>this one is cool, because it's an owl, and owls are cool
Josiah Ward
Where's April?
Eli Hernandez
>i5-9400F can you overclock it since it's non-k? And do you have any upgrade path or will i have to change mobo in 1y as usual
No overclocking allowed sorry please buy K CPU if you would like to do that. Also no XMP please buy our premium Z chipset if you want fast ram. Please understand this is for your own good, thank you.
Jaxon Ortiz
No OC No upgrade path unless you get Z390 and stay with 8th/9th gen Also no memory OC unless you go with aforementioned price premium motherboard
Nathaniel Campbell
>Happy af because my waterblock is finally here Boomers will hate this
I see Can you get a cheaper build with it vs a 2600? With piss cheap mobo and ram?
Because I assume a 2600OC'd will perform the same or better at least at 1440p
Julian Myers
>can you overclock it since it's non-k? No but already beats oc'ed 2600x so it's fine
Benjamin Reed
if you want to play at 1440p you'll see very little difference, it's mostly GPU bound
you can make a cheaper build with piss cheap mobo and ram but again no upgrade path. but seriously don't get cheap mobo, I've done it in the past and regret it.
2600 build you can OC, upgrade, and get the same performance at 1440p
Austin Parker
>if you want to play at 1440p Do some people still game at 1080p in 2019 really?
it's not even about amd, the 9400f is just a pos and only in the OP for shilling reasons
Angel Walker
So are the Samsung 960 PROs worth it over the EVOs? Looking for a 1TB SSD to fill my empty M.2 slot, and I'm wondering if the extra ~$100 is necessary, since they both use the PCIe bus.
lol OP is some indian Jow Forums spammer obsessed with AMD. He is probably rocking a celeron someone threw away while he combs over the prices of parts all day.
Sebastian Lopez
Holy shit JD you're a madman.
Eli Wood
Why the fuck are you tripping, idiot?
The 9400f mobos are almost always more expensive, but it's probably a $50-100 difference. It'll get more fps for most games and I wouldn't call it complete trash, but honestly it'll come down to preference and maybe 10 fps.
John Anderson
i want a small-ish form factor case ill be using it for text editor stuff and very light gaming price isnt an issue but I would like it to be reasonable, I already have a 770gtx so i dont need a gpu
Julian Gray
I'm unironically upset hearing these remarks because I'm tired of having 2070 performance out of reach at it's price point. I rely on AMD to help lower the prices of last gen cards because Nvidia won't.
Chase Nelson
GTX 1660 or RX 590? My R9 280 just bit the dust and I need a new GPU, currently getting by with an 8500GT. Maybe a used 1070? My poor FX-6350 will be bottlenecked to shit, but I can't really afford to upgrade my entire PC rn
Gabriel Price
zen 2 when?
Adam Lopez
Why? I thought the 2600X is just straight up better out of the box anyway?
TomsHardware tested them and they raech higher clocks but imo definitely not worth it because the iGPU is for certain programs optimized and the best.
Jason Murphy
>because the iGPU is for certain programs optimized and the best. sure, but there ARE plenty of people who will literally never use those optimized programs, and as such, the iGPU is useless for them.
I wouldn't recommend the 9900KF over the 9900K for most people, but there are some niche users who will love it.
Matthew Lewis
I already have a 1080Ti which is bottlenecked to hell and beyond by a 4670k on 165Hz 1440p. I dont' care about the iGPU. Should I wait for Zen 2 or just pay the jews for this CPU?
Angel Cook
go for it 3000 ain't going to be any cheaper upgrade later on
Austin Morgan
how bad is your current rig, if any?
Jacob Ward
If you can, wait for details on Zen 2 in 20 days, then decide.
Gavin Moore
Zen 2 will be roughly equivalent to the 9900k.
So about the only thing waiting will do is maybe get you the same performance at a lower price, but you'll need to wait for july (rumored 7/7 launch).
Jace Wright
good idea
true, i almost forgot about the benchmark from January. let's hope the chip they used for that is not the top end.
Asher Ross
>let's hope the chip they used for that is not the top end. Odds aren't good there, you know for a fact AMD would use the BEST chip in their arsenal for the first performance demos, with the hope that the majority of the production chips will meet those same results.
I wouldn't hold my breath for anything surpassing those results outside maybe a few niche benchmarks that got optimized.
Jaxon Powell
I could definitely use an upgrade, but waiting 20 days for details probably won't hurt me.
I don't know though. If it wasn't for that game bundle, I'd have been patiently waiting right now.
Just go straight for SK Hynix, ignore the rebranders
Wyatt Hughes
then i hope it won't cost 500 Merkels which is the current price for the 9900k
Nolan Wood
these cases scare me because of dust/bugs. Sure bugs can get in through normal cases too but not as much as a case like that.
Ethan Nelson
Yeah that is a good bet, probably $380-420.
Hunter Phillips
>get a monitor >has an annoying and distracting dead pixel in the middle of the screen >lol just live with it faggot, thanks for the 200-400$ Uhuuuhhhh, so what I am getting form this is don't buy new monitors.
Parker Hughes
if you live in Germany you can return the monitor within two years. Zero questions asked.
Evan Phillips
I mean, it's been the case for decades.
If you shop from amazon you can at least return it once or twice on their dime, but even amazon won't just let you keep returning panels until you find the one golden sample without any defects.
And it gets worse the more pixels you have, a 4k panel is almost assuredly going to have a handful of fucked up pixels somewhere on the panel, but due to the pixel density, you'll have a hard time spotting them without paying attention and potentially using a magnifying glass.
Hudson Stewart
ah ze germans, always quality. but seriously I don't. And I literally refuse to buy a monitor if it has a dead pixel. Sure if it's in the literall corner who gives a shit, but if it's any where close to the center it's literally a broken product and I refuse to buy products that accept that as "acceptable"
>I mean, it's been the case for decades. what I have right now is 24inch 1080p with zero dead pixels.
Hunter Evans
Good luck there, even $1500+ professional panels will explicitly state in their pixel policy that a singular dead/stuck pixel is not likely to be grounds for a replacement panel (as the replacement panel would almost assuredly have similar defects)
Even Eizo (one of the high end monitor manufacturers) covers bright pixels, dark/dead pixels aren't covered at all.
And bright pixels are only for the first 6 months of the monitor.
So i was given leftover pc parts for free, the problem is that the video card is gtx 1060, never used, i do not want to upgrade it for not, but i will upgrade gpu for cyberpunk 2077. What i need help is to decide what monitor to buy, i want an IPS monitor with 144hz, but the 1440p currenlty is of no use to me. I doubt i'll even be able to use it with gtx1060 And i have no ideo what to choose in 1080p IPS 144hz area, was thinking about asus VG279Q but the negative reviews about QA problems makes it hard to decide. So what should i do about monitor?
Cameron Ramirez
it is required by law. You return it to the shop then it is up to the shop to do whatever with it. Germany has its own problems true, but jewing customers on defective items is not one of them.
Christian Howard
>what I have right now is 24inch 1080p with zero dead pixels. I didn't say all panels had issues, I said the pixel policy has been the same for decades.
At lower resolutions like 1080p, it's easier to find a good panel, when resolutions go up, the chance of pixel defects ALSO goes up.
There is a reason the industry can pump out sub $300 4k panels, and it's not cause they're just soooo good at it, it's cause most people wont notice a handful of pixel defects on a panel like that unless they're autistic and super anal about that shit.
Anthony Ross
Bullshit.
Sorry, but if the manufacturer does not consider a dark pixel to be a defect, then you can't claim that it is.
The entire industry does this, no one is going to keep shipping you panels until you find a perfect one.
Claim whatever you want, but that screenshot is from their GLOBAL pixel policy, it's the policy they use EVERYWHERE.
Austin Sanders
its not 2 years, its 15 days if ordered from online shop, its EU law
Logan Hernandez
listen my American friends. you have to understand that Germany has very strict rules when it comes to consumer warranty and your global pixel policies don't mean jack shit here. Two years is the basic warranty which is applied on every electronic item with very few exceptions like DVD movies and that sort.
Brandon Flores
Does anyone have any experience with pic related, ViewSonic VX2458-MHD. Is it worth spending ~50 more on an AOC, Acer or higher end Viewsonic?
Lmao, then NO ONE would sell monitors in Germany, period.
No monitor manufacturer currently would have the capabilities of making monitors that good.
On a panel with 8.1 MILLION pixels, you HONESTLY think a single dead pixel is something a manufacturer would ACTUALLY consider a defect?
You're paying $10000+ before you hit class 1 monitors that actually promise that level of quality.
Dylan Morris
You're an idiot, it's impossible for the current panel production to meet the standards you want. Return all the panels you want, but you're delusional if you think they're REQUIRED to keep sending you panels until you get one you like.
Isaac Myers
Just because we have the right to return something with even a minor defect, doesn't mean everyone actually does that retard. Most people are completely ignorant of things like dead pixels.
And if you do it more than a handful of times at the same store, expect to no longer be a welcome customer.
No business is gonna deal with that level of autism.
Go ahead and give a try. Even if by law you're ALLOWED to, they're just gonna stop selling to you if you keep doing it. Refund you the money and tell you to take a hike and shop somewhere else.
If it's worth all that hassle just to get a "perfect" panel, I guess you can go right ahead.
Brody Richardson
>it's IMPOSSIBLE! like mentioned before I have a 24, 1080p monitor with zero fucked pixels. It's not impossible at all, they just want to increase their selling margin and customers put up with it. Good goys.
Jonathan Campbell
>navi expected to be bad like vega >vega was literally made irrelevant with 1070ti >theres no 2070ti ????????
Benjamin Perry
>all these cucked ameripoors who are so used to sucking corporate dick that they have no idea what actual consumer protection is and are completely baffled by it this is pretty funny
>like mentioned before I have a 24, 1080p monitor with zero fucked pixels. again, no one is talking about 1080p monitors from the mid 2000s
1080p is not that many pixels.
1440p, 2160p, 2880p, etc high pixel densities like that, it gets much more difficult to avoid defects.
Bentley Lewis
>implying I don't Mate it doesn't that THAT many attempts to get a flawless panels. As if store clerks give a fuck lol get a life. You sound like you have dead pixels that you pretend to be OK with but it's eating you up inside?
Mason Cruz
>1ms response time Ahaaa, no. They are literally lying that, because that is "kinda" achieved through strobing, it doesn't actually talk about the pixel response time being good, it's a gimmick they found to market slower shittier monitors to customers who don't know any better.
