Want help? >State the budget & CURRENCY >List your uses e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors include purpose & graphics pairing >NO Speccy or "bottleneck checkers"
CPUs based on current prices >R7 2700/X - Best value high-end CPU on a non-HEDT platform >Threadripper - HEDT
RAM >NEVER use only a single stick >8GB - very light use, and/or if you don't mind closing programs regularly >16GB - standard amount. If you have to ask if you need more, you don't >CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2800MHz+ is ideal. Check "more" for true latency formula
Graphics cards based on current pricing: >Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty 1080p >RX 570/580 - value. >1660 - Slightly better perf for more demanding games on high/maxed 60fps+; > 1660Ti / 1070 / Vega56 / 2060 - higher framerates 1440p (WQHD) >1070Ti / Vega / - 60-120fps+ in most games on high/maxed >Radeon VII or 2070 Overclocked - Worth considering >2080Ti - higher framerates 2160p (4k) >Radeon VII - weaker than 2080ti >RTX 2080Ti - good, but poor value.
Other >Consider a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & HDD >M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard >Consider 75hz display minimum; 60hz are old models >PLAN BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >AIOs don't change the laws of thermodynamics
a friend of mine bought a pc years ago 8350 (undervolted and being 150mhz lower) asrock 970m 16gigs of memory and a fucking radeon 250 550 enermax psu (old but all things considering it is still working like a charm since it never even passed 30% of its utilization) what kind of todays era gpu can i buy to her as a present to compliment the cpu she has? i know that no matter what i buy to her it wont even be able to choke the pci 2.0 (since they dont even come close to choke the pcie 3.0) i was thinking a 560 or a 570 pulse 8gb to give her a good 5 years more of gaming with medium to high settings)
Oliver Watson
>now he's shilling the 9900k housefire Do you want Intel sales to plummet even harder or what?
Gabriel King
is OCing CL16 3000 Mhz ram to 3466 at 16-18-18-36 with 1.35v stable meh or good?
This is without tweaking the timings or voltage at 3466
Evan Gomez
>letting the idiotic AMD shill make the new thread Cmon guys, you gotta be more alert.
Will be fixed next thread, as usual.
Jaxon Morales
>ryzen prices keep dropping 2700 is $194. If the 2700x ever gets to that point I might stop waiting for zen2.
Julian Powell
Well the 9700k gets worse frametimes than the 2700X in some cases. So I had to remove that recommendation. Why should someone pay more for a worse CPU? 9900k is a housefire but it does perform a bit better.
4 threads isn't enough now days (nor years ago) to maintain 60fps stable. Will get stutters. But yes, the RX570.
It's ok considering you didn't have to raise voltage, assuming it's actually tested stable.
2700X is $290 and comes with a 120Gb 3D NAND SSD, and 2 games worth about $45-$55 total. That's effectively $200-210 if you count the incentives value.
If 2600X/2700X meets your needs, now is a good time to buy it instead of waiting.
>It's ok considering you didn't have to raise voltage, assuming it's actually tested stable.
yeah it's stable. Just wondering is the ideal timing tweaking for 3200 if i were to do it is to bump it down to CL14?
Jose Gomez
Oh bulldozer. lmao. I thought you mean the i3-8350k. 8350 will bottleneck the RX570 quite often, but at least it won't stutter so much. RX570 is the best value GPU, anyway, so may as well go with it. >it doesn't have threads Yes it does. It has 8 of them.
Try the Ryzen memory calculator, though it doesn't work for all die types. True latency is the main thing that matters. Then subtimings. Then frequency.
Jacob Morris
well considering ryzen and vishera share the same frontend it got a small boost nothing serious but ok
i mean for 1080p and mayyyyyyybe few games on source at 1440p 570 is ok since everything will run undervolted to hell and back
Benjamin Mitchell
hey guys im kinda new to all this. can i build a nice pc for $500-$600? (USA)
i dont play too much vidya, though it would be nice to have the option of playing something recent if i were interested. mostly all i do is watch anime and lurk Jow Forums. i'd just want a pc that's fast and quiet.
William Bennett
>>RTX 2080Ti - good, but poor value. So what about RTX 2080 vs RTX 2080 Ti, for 4k gaming?
Luis Hill
>70896811 Yes, we must shill harder for our corrupt piece of shit company and their garbage pozzed housefire products
No (You) from me
Charles Baker
Rtx 2080 or Radeon VII for ultra settings 60fps. Rtx 2080ti for ultra settings at 70-80fps, but is 50+% more expensive.
I have a Radeon VII and it gets me solid 60fps in Witcher 3 ultra no problem, but with 7+ GB of vram usage (see pic). I would not recommend the 2080 for this reason alone, the VRAM is not sufficient (1080Ti from 3 years ago had 11GB). Get a used 1080Ti/Radeon VII for a cheaper build, or a 2080Ti.
Ya for $600 you can make a nice 2400G PC. Might even be able to fit in a 2TB SSD.
Why would you consider 2080 for 4k when Radeon VII exists? Many games use at least 7 or 8Gb with 4K. 2080Ti can run a good deal of games at 4K@60, but it's very expensive. To run 4K the best strategy is to temper your expectations and turn down settings with RVII, or wait for more powerful GPUs. Why didn't you take an actual screenshot?
Dominic Hall
so my friend wants a rig to do video editing since he's an amateur filmmaker. He knows nothing about computers (thinks ram is the only thing that matters) but I was able to stop him from buying a shitty pre-built that had nothing in it off amazon. I tired to get him up to the $600 price range to build him something with a decent cpu and graphics card, but he said his absolute limit is $300.
So my question is what's the best way to go about this? Do i buy everything except the cpu as cheeply as possible, or do I buy a used machine and try to stick something decent in that? If I built it from scratch I probably wouldn't even be able to afford a non ancient gpu.
I really have no idea what I'm doing. I just picked what the OP said along with whatever had a lot of reviews. it's exactly $600 though. I don't know what brands to avoid though so someone else double-checking this would be appreciated. Are PowerColor gpu's quiet?
Parker King
this but with RX 580 - $170 instead of vega 56 tho id give 100$ more
Tyler Garcia
No but it has a good iGPU so it's cheap as shit. Saves a lot of money on GPU so you can spend for a better SSD, cooler, case, etc.
eerr a $300 PC to do video editing? idk. a used 4th gen i7 optiplex+rx570 I guess?
Colton Peterson
What is the rule of thumb for PSUs? How much more wattage should I have compared to what my PC is drawing?
Ethan Richardson
Okay, so if I get the 2400g I won't need to get a GPU at all? I assume, if I wanted to later on down the line, I could then get a GPU and add it to the build whenever?
what can an iGPU play?
Isaiah Lee
Believe me, I've tried to convince him he needs something more, but he's as suborn as a rock. Like he's really really computer illiterate.
Charles Fisher
Yes. Yes.
Check youtube for 2400G overclocked tests. There's literally people who have played over 100 games each on it to show how it performs in them and what settings are required to play at 30 or 60fps.
Okay well what I said to be would be passable, just really not great. Better than buying a new $300 piece of shit would be. Dell had a 2700+RX580 desktop new for sale for $600 the other day. Normally $650 or something. That'd actually be a good prebuilt for him.
About 50% more to account for spiking powerdraws.
Oliver Barnes
He wouldn't understand the value of that. All those words you just said would mean nothing to him even if I sat him down for hours explaining it. But I think the optiplex+rx570 is probably the right path to go down.
Jacob Moore
gotcha. what's the recommended motherboard for budget builds?
Okay here's my updated list. 2600x with a 570 and it's $602.
Anthony Butler
B450m-pro TUF should be good. Rakutan might still have the 2TB SU800 for $181. You only need around 175W PSU at most, but ~400W would give you more room for a GPU upgrade down the line. May as well go with 2x8Gb of RAM since it's in your budget and will make things more comfortable. Get 3200CL16 at least. Q300L, Thermaltake G3, are some small-ish case options. This should come in around your $600 and be a solid foundation to upgrade in the future if you chose to.
>pcpartpicker.com/list/GnYBkd >Okay here's my updated list. 2600x with a 570 and it's $602. Don't use Gigabyte AM4 boards. Use literally anything else. But ideally at least something like the B450 Gaming Plus which I think is around $80. Don't use CXM PSU. It's cheap and on sale all the time because they fail a lot yet people keep buying them anyway. Rest is fine.
Is MSI a good brand? Also the PSU is hard to pick, the CXM is only one with a ton of reviews which is generally what I look for. This one has 5 stars on pcpartpicker.
Luke Ramirez
Not him but don't ever cheap out on a PSU. And yes MSI is fine.
Justin Gray
>be me >always recommending R7 265 as a cheapshit used GPU for years. Better than a 750Ti yet cheaper, I'm pretty sure. >it actually is THE BEST performance for the dollar based
People blindly overvalue Ti cards on the used market holy shit. For the $25 you save you can just get a power supply instead of overpaying that bad fora 750Ti. People are fucking dumb.
Also hilarious is that people will pay more for a used Fury X or GTX 980 than the 590 costs new (if you count the games discount as a rebate) despite the 590 being just plain better, not suffering from the 4Gb of VRAM, and using less power. People also paying as much used for the 280X as an RX570 costs despite the 570 being better and using less power?
It's amazing how absolute retardation runs the used market and in how many cases people will pay more for used than new costs here. It actually looks to be more common that people overpay for used than get a good deal (like the R7 265 is)
>Also the PSU is hard to pick The EVGA BR is so-so. SeaSonic M12II 520 Bronze is a good one except for the fucking fan. But I mean fans can technically be replaced with some technical non-retardation. It's at least better than the BR. Go with that.
My mobo is dead. All the other components are fine (or at least I hope they are) which include: >Intel i7 (third gen) >GeForce 1050 >12 GB of DDR3 RAM >1 TB HDD >a big case The thing is all the motherboards that support my CPU are either used or lack ports. New motherboards would require me to change CPU and/or RAM and I don't have that much money right now.
What do you guys think about Engineer Samples of cpu? i was looking into "Intel Core i7-6700 ES QHQJ 1.6GHz 4C LGA1151 Q0 14nm" on ebay for like $100.
Carter Kelly
Good if it's really stable. memtest86 or running games isn't a valid stability test.
Jace Smith
>1.6GHz That's what.
Eli Miller
What are currently the strongest SBCs?
Blake Reed
Buy used? Shouldn't be a problem. How'd you kill it anyways?
Connor Evans
Try aliexpress. They tend to have a better selection of old boards.
>1.6GHz jesus a $50 Athlon 200GE might be faster overall than that.
Jose Johnson
Alright, cool. Thank you.
final question, would it be fine doing a 2400g+rx570 instead of the 2600x+rx570?
a google search showed the 2400g/570 combo doing just fine in modern games, and like i said i don't really play games that much but would just like the option. it would save a nice $40.
Thomas Watson
>i7-6700 Based on chess benchmarks (Stockfish) the 6700 (1.6 Ghz) is 11-12% faster than the 200GE. Note that Stockfish utilizes multi-threading extremely well. So the 200GE would have a big advantage in single/dual threaded applications.
Aiden Bell
R5 1600 (or regular 2600) + rx570 would probably be a better deal. But the r5 series doesn't have an iGPU/APU so if your GPU would die, it would mean no screen. And you'd either need a spare GPU or a new one. With the 2400G, if your GPU would die you can still hook your monitor to the motherboard.
1600 for better price/performance, 2600 for performance, 2400G if you want redundancy.
Sebastian Harris
2400G isn't going to bottleneck the RX570, no. But the 2600X is only a little more money for something that would last you through a future GPU upgrade better without needing to replace the CPU as soon. It'll also handle running more shit in the background better.
Also are you not US? In the US we have the 2600X for $160 with $45-$55 of games included that you can potentially resell though it's a bit of a hassle to.
Dominic Campbell
I got the Sapphire Nitro+ Vega 64. Can I skate by with the 2600x or is the 2700x more suitable? Money isn't the problem, I'm thinking of a possible future upgrade and maybe already investing in a better CPU. (And I currently play a lot of cpu-dependant games) Please note that I don't have either yet, my current is an Intel from the Q9 series I believe.
Colton Roberts
Oops, didn't mean to reply to you.
Ethan Gutierrez
What's the max I should turn up the voltage to on a 2700x when overclocking? Is there a point I shouldn't pass or just keep going until the temps get too hot?
Cameron Barnes
At 1440p? 2600X with b-die would be fine in pretty much all cases. At least that I'm aware of. And you'd have the good RAM to keep up with a future upgrade. Not a lot of games are really fully utilizing 8c/16t right now. At 1080p to drive a bit higher frames, I'd get the 2700X to be sure.
Ethan Anderson
You have a 2700X. Just enable PBO instead of wasting 3 hours to try to make an OC better than PBO which isn't. After PBO, you could play with a negative voltage offset to get better results if you won the silicon lottery. And/or a BCLK OC. Doing an old fashioned OC on the 2700X wastes its potential. Go look at youtube for PBO + BCLK OC info.
Hudson Lewis
Doing a PBO only boosted it to 4ghz and I'm sure it can do more then that. Also half the videos talking about PBO on youtube seem to beeither Korean or is not from anyone I recognize.
Ryan Garcia
>PBO only boosted it to 4ghz What cooling do you have? Even my 2600X does 4.1 all core pbo with NH-D15. Yours should do more easily.
Nathan Bell
It's water cooled.
Samuel Walker
Are you using the new beta bios that breaks PBO? Something's not right.
Lincoln Brooks
Nope. I honestly don't really see the point of PBO though when just playing with the frequency and voltage takes like half an hour at most from what I've seen.
Zachary Walker
>1.5V on RAM for just fucking 3446 14-15-14-28 YOU IDIOT!
Xavier Gutierrez
Yeah sorry 1440p with as high framerate as possible, I'm getting an IPS 1440p144hz monitor with Freesync.
I don't mind spending the extra money, I was originally planning to get a 2070 or even 2080 but quickly realised I am only spending the money because I finally can, I won't actually profit gaming-wise. If you say I would profit from the 2700x I'll definitely get it.
Connor Morris
Enjoy your ryzen bro, it can run 4.2GZ all cores on stock cooler brah, just 1.2V brah
Liam Clark
Because it gives objectively better performance in the majority of tasks, saves power and noise and prolongs the life of the CPU? Unless you have a golden sample that can do 4.3+ all core, you're wasting your time.
Brayden Taylor
Nothing wrong with that on B-die. Perfectly safe. Neck yourself.
Joseph Hernandez
But doesn't PBO ultimately just increase voltage and frequency for you? How is it any different by jan. Also I'm water cooling it so sound isn't much of an issue.
Jose Powell
>different by hand
Anthony Allen
>Nothing wrong with that on B-die. Perfectly safe It's not. B-die isn't magical in that voltage degrades it less, B-die is good because it scales with voltage better. But telling people it's safe is malicious.
Isaiah Perry
1.5v is widely regarded as the safe cutoff, above causes long term degradation. Intel's XMP specs allow for it to go that high.
Justin Cruz
Nah PBO is trash If your mobo has no voltage offset you are fucked
Nathan Ross
>Neck yourself. Right on brother, behead all those who insult AMD!
Xavier Long
Pretty much all boards have offset now, can't even think of one that doesn't. Maybe some garbo A320s. It's proven to be better if you don't have a top 1% sample.
Henry Sanders
The 2080 is not a great card but the Radeon VII is worst OP
Parker Campbell
>1.5v is widely regarded as the safe cutoff, Except it isn't, stop lying faggot. >above causes long term degradation. uhuh, look at this retard 1.5V perfectly safe, no degradation what so ever, 1.50001V MASSIVE degradation, yeah this makes perfect sense, it's magic you see not physics. I bet you are the same retard that says voltage above 1.38 for ryzen+ is safe for long term usage.
Easton Miller
You don't need voltage offset just turn your computers power plan settings to normal.
High performance causes it to over volt and makes people think it doesn't work
Jose Ortiz
You probably get 0.1-0.2ghz more which is irrelevant for ryzen anyways.
Connor Rivera
>ordered a bunch of new parts from Newegg and Amazon >Have gotten some seriously damaged parts in the mail from them in the past >Tell my room mate to please open the parts boxes when they get there (he's on a different work shift than me) >This way if anything is damaged, I can fill out the return request while I'm still at work, come home, print the label, slap it on the box, and return it same day >Check email and see notification from the actual literal Dragon dildo company that my product has shipped (and that it actually shipped 2 days ago, lol sorry for the delayed email!) >Track shipment and it's already in my town to be delivered around the same time as my PC parts. >Sheer panic >The email was from 4 hours ago >Get a text from my room mate not long after saying all my parts are A OK >Sigh of relief that he'll be at work by the time my dildo gets there >He then send me a picture message saying "but what brand graphics card is this" >It's my gigantic midnight blue dragon dildo standing proud, cum tube, suction cup and all in the picture >Don't respond, he just texts lol it's cool, don't sweat it, I got stuff that would surprise you too, enjoy your new toys ;) I have no idea how I'm going to look him in the eye from now on. I got home and the dildo was on the fucking kitchen table surrounded by my PC parts like a fucking shrine.
I also entirely forgot to purchase and SSD. Is NVME better than SATA if they're both m.2? My build is entirely for gaming if that matters. >Core i5-9400f >RTX 2070
>Except it isn't Yes it is. Prove otherwise or fuck off. It's just as well known as... >says voltage above 1.38 for ryzen+ is safe Which you're so happy to quote.
Evan Mitchell
What happens above that? I see people OC to 1.45 safely for the long run
Juan Wood
>advertised as 1.35v >JUST RUN IT AT 1.5V IT'S FINE NO DEGRADATION WHATSOEVER
Adrian Hill
>just put massive voltage through your shit because you are chasing intel performance youtu.be/e-m0oNjV79k?t=202 >Let's just put 1.6V through a 2600 to get that extra 0.1ghz >doesn't matter to me, I'm going to sell this CPU to some tard amd buyer >woops I killed it too soon, didn't even get to sell it :(
Nicholas Bennett
>1.5V perfectly safe, no degradation what so ever, 1.50001V MASSIVE degradation
Did you have a hard time in school with your style of argumentation? You're not even trying to deconstruct his arguments anymore, you're literally just making up stuff in your favour. My 12 year old niece has a more structured thought process than you.
Nobody is advocating overvolting a CPU you barely functioning spastic. Keep up.
William Martinez
Except this is a different ram Are you dumb?
Jeremiah Sullivan
For DDR4 RAM, 1.4V to 1.45V is your OC range in case you care for your memory at all. For ryzen it's 1.4V to 1.41V For ryzen+ it's 1.38V Going above that is retarded and purely for faggots who want to show off on the internet so bad about how much their ryzen setup doesn't fall behind intel that they are willing to degrade the hardware at accelerate rate.
By the way, B-die is no longer being produced so if you though you can just buy some more B-die for cheaper, just the opposite is going to happen.
Oliver White
>a different ram Oh my god you just won't stop. B-Die is B-Die. There's no magic version that likes more volts.
Chase Ramirez
>Did you have a hard time in school with your style of argumentation? Actually no, I won pretty much all the debates. The key here is that there is an audience I have to convince, not my opposition, because if my opposition doesn't want to admit they are wrong under any circumstance it's a pointless endavor, however convicing the bystander is another deal. So no I am not going to convince you, I am here just to make sure others don't degrade their hardware because some retard wants to get slightly better cinebench scores
Anthony Allen
You are taking to people who likely have zero, ZERO understanding of electronics, and very limited understanding of the hardware they bought through internet articles. To them hardware is magic blackbox and they try to rationalize it best they can, the same way a caveman tries to explain that the gods are angry, when they saw lightning or some shit.
Jackson Reyes
lol get a load of this faggot
Tyler Roberts
>all b-dies run on same frequencies t. dumbass
Austin Walker
>all this talk of RAM and CPU voltages ITT >Mfw ran an FX-8350 @ 5.645GHz using 1.72v as a 24/7 clock >Mfw was running 2400MHz DDR3 that was stock 1.65v but I ramped it up to 2.0v to maintain my 2933MHz clock >Mfw both the ram, motherboard and CPU still work to this day
Granted I was water cooling both the CPU and had a full VRM/NB coverage block for my motherboard as well as liquid blocks for the RAM.
>misquoting because you know you're wrong t. eternal brainlet
Levi Edwards
>Actually no, I won pretty much all the debates Fancy the pigeon playing chess simile?
The point of an argument is to try and see who's right or wrong, you're not a politician trying to sway people's opinions and ignore the other party. But whatever mate, I know for a fact there's no reasoning with you when you quote stuff nobody ever said and use it as a fact. Might as well ignore your nonexistant opinion.
Isaiah Moore
>pc almost finished only need mobo + cpu Do I wait for Ryzen 3000?
Ryan Hill
Do you live in Canada or Northern Europe?
Lincoln Butler
Help me or I will use an Orangepi Zero as desktop.
Cooper Lewis
when does 3000 even come out
Sebastian Williams
Northern US near Canadian border. PC so had 2x MSI Radeon 7970 lightning models with LN2 modded BIOS to unlock voltage. Honestly I rarely ran my heat. Just run a few benchmarks and it would warm the room
Nathan Diaz
Some time between May 27th and the heat death of the universe. I can confirm this with 100% certainty.
Logan Ross
>9900k So assuming I don't pay far cry 5. Why wouldn't I just get a 9700k?
Lucas Reed
Personal attack are not an argument and while it may give you a false sense of winning the argument, the majority of on lookers won't be swayed by this shit if it's pointed out.
>The point of an argument is to try and see who's right or wrong, you're not a politician trying to sway people's opinions and ignore the other party. Arguments between 2 parties to reach the "truth" can work, but that implies both parties are here to find out what is the truth, not beat their chest and prove they are right no matter the cost. Almost always its the ladder. Thus why arguing to convince your opposition is almost entirely pointless and any argument that is to be had should always have a third part of some sort who hears both sides and decides which one has more merit. As they don't have a "I must defend my ego, I must win the argument no matter what" mentality that prevents them from having an objective overview.
The fact that you know none of this just leads me to believe that you have never had a debate.
>I know for a fact there's no reasoning with you when you quote stuff nobody ever said and use it as a fact. >Might as well ignore your nonexistant opinion. I have an actual education in electronics and I have read many sources on the subject of DRAM voltages. The results are very inconclusive to say the lead, but one thing that everybody agrees with is that 1.5V is degradation territory. But go ahead go into cope mode that lets you salvage your ego because you don't really want to admit you are wrong.
Dylan Peterson
There is no argument, you're wrong and being an uppity little faggot. You'd have posted one of these sources you claim to have seen if you actually had any. Go away.
Lucas Ortiz
I'm planning to upgrade my GPU from 1050ti to 1660 or 1660ti, which one should I get? I have a normal 1080p IPS monitor if that helps.
