The one windows application preventing me from completely migrating over to linux started working in wine 4.8

See, habits.
But this does not mean you can't switch to linux. It means that you don't want to, because you don't care how much of a botnet windows is.

>pdf-xchange

>buzzwords while being a schizo
nvm ur a lost cause

>foobar

Just use mpd + nincompoop

>most music players on Linux don't even support gapless playback, something which a basic bitch player like WMP does with ease

I like linux alot, but this is truly a sad state of affairs.

Still no good alternative to Paint.net

AIMP

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Get a Mac

Fucking cool, thanks for that link. How long has this been around?

dBpoweramp. GNU/Linux has ZERO CD rippers that support AccurateRip.

does it make a difference? i'm a windows user, btw, just curious.

How about sayonara?
sayonara-player.com

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Yes. AccurateRip makes sure your rip is actually a 1:1 copy of the original on the CD. Windows & Apple have rippers that support AccurateRip, although Windows has the two Gold-Standards in dBpoweramp & EAC.

interesting. i always thought the data read from a CD is 1:1.

You should not depend on proprietary closed source programs for any reason. There are many practical downsides, for example if you want to use the program on your operating system of choice, it can be difficult or impossible, and because there is no source code the application can't be ported by another user. In the case of windows applications, having access to the source code means that people can easier fix the application to work in Wine rather than trying to debug a black box, which is why it takes so long for them to get some programs to work.

Nobody will actually notice that the song ripped isn't a 1:1 copy so it only matters to those that want a perfect archival copy.

When certain closed source programs have features that no open source program has, you have to depend on it, there's no actual alternative.

People lived without proprietary closed source software for thousands of years, no feature is special enough to warrant the use of it. A proprietary developer trying to entice you with "more features" is pulling a trick on you.

>computer software
>thousands of years
Do you really want to use such a broken argument? According to your logic why should anybody use computers at all since people lived without them for thousands of years. AccurateRip is a special thing that actually matters to music archival.

Is it visual studio? Tell me it's visual studio

idk, Quod Libet is very solid

learn to use virtual machines. I worked for two years at a company that used proprietary software that I needed to run daily, that only worked on windows. I used Linux the entire time and never had a problem, in fact, I had less problems than other people because my virtual machine was saved in a working state that I could always open, whereas the workstation computers would randomly break because of bullshit like automatic updates.

That is a correct argument though. You shoudn't depend on computers, especially when the person making them tries to forbid you from understanding their function. Music archival being dependent on a convoluted proprietary process means practical problems for music archival, as was already explained.

There is no reason that AccurateRip or something similar couldn't be implemented in a free (as in freedom) program, but it seems to be mostly dependent on verifying against a track database that is nonfree and not actually verifiable by the archiver. So that one is a non-starter, another example where you can directly blame the proprietary developer for obstructing things.

That's not true at all. Basically every well known linux music player supports gapless playback.

>proprietary process
XLD for Mac uses it and it's open-source under GPL. What's your excuse now?

I would completely switch over but I've got important shit going on on my win10 computer that I don't wanna fuck with
I'll switch over later.

>accuraterip
Sounds like a meme and marketing buzzwords. Use cdparanoia

whipper (ex morituri)

cdparanoia doesn't guarantee a 1:1 copy. If you simply want to rip your CD, sure. If you want a perfect archival copy, horrible.

Why should I believe accuraterip's """guarantee"""?

Another horrible argument. Using that logic unless you can read and understand every line of code, open-source is useless because you don't believe if everyone else is lying to you or not.

Exactly, why should I believe what some faggot writes on his website if he doesn't explain their methodology and shows the code? What's so magical about accuraterip?

Which was it?

You just basically said that there's no difference between open-source and closed-source software. AccurateRip checks several things about the song you ripped to make sure it matches all others in the database. If you rip the song properly you'll get one labeled as Accurate with X amount of confidence. If you rip it improperly, not correctly drive offset for example, you'll get a rip labeled Insecure.

based and redpiled
cringe, bluepiled and neck yourself

>Qt
dling right now, hopefully good enough for me to retire Clementine.

My reasoning is the same. The database it depends on is nonfree and stored on their server. I went and checked, the code is here:

sourceforge.net/p/xld/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/XLD/XLDAccurateRipChecker.m
sourceforge.net/p/xld/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/XLD/XLDAccurateRipDB.m
sourceforge.net/p/xld/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/XLD/XLDCueParser.m#l2213

In total it's around 1000 lines, could be very easily copied by another application, but probably won't because the people running the database will get angry.

See the links above, there is nothing special about that code, it's standard fare for any cd ripper written in the last 20 years. The issue is in the database and the way it was built, and the way that the organization maintains it.

Again, using that logic there's zero difference between open & closed source as unless you can and do read every line of code for a program, you have zero clue if it does anything bad. So you have no argument at all against using anything closed-source or proprietary.

But your argument is fallacious because I have done that with many of the programs I use, although not all, some of them I rely on other independent reviewers to verify for me. With proprietary software I can only rely on the original developer to verify it, who is incentivized to lie about what the software actually does, and has already taken steps to prevent me from understanding any of their claims anyway.

There's usually only 1 or 2 songs per album worth listening to so you guys don't need these complex music managers.

>You just basically said that there's no difference between open-source and closed-source software.
How the fuck did I say that? I said the opposite.

>database
What's the guarantee that what's in the database is actually 100% accurate? The only thing that seems special to me about AccurateRip so far is that it checks your rips with some mysterious database (which is a privacy concern by the way). What happens if I rip something that isn't in the database?

You have read every single line of code for Linux? What about the package manager? Do you read the output of every program it has installed?

>independent reviewers
That's two assumptions in one. First assumption that they are independent as you have zero clue what goes on behind the scenes. Second assumption is that they can be trusted to have read and understood everything.

If you rip something that isn't in the database it shows up saying Not In Database, which almost never happens. I've had it happened once. There was even matches in the database for Pornogrind bands.

I don't know where all the bullshit about open source being secure comes from. The NSA and other groups manage to get backdoors into open source software all the time. I think open source is inherently *insecure*

Anyway, I prefer to use only, or as much as possible, open source software. I own my computer, and if an application doesn't work the way I want it to, I should be free to modify it. In fact, I think closed source software should be illegal, because it takes away your freedom to modify your own property. Similarly, I prefer to drive cars I can work on myself. I avoid cars like BMW, Lexus, or Audi, purely because they are more difficult to work on, and they try to make you only get work done by a dealer.

Open source means that you have full control over your system. Closed source means you are only allowed to do exactly what the programmer wants, assuming his code actually works. Open/closed source has little to do with security, anyone that thinks security is a benefit of either open or closed source, is deluded.

I depend on others to verify my kernel for me, as I'm not a kernel developer. For that I know some people that can be trusted. Do you?

Contrast this to a closed source OS where no one can be trusted to verify it, not even the original developer.

Why ? There are a billion media players on Linux.
I actually found that Clementine is much better than fb2k since it allows me to manage my library very easily.

Dunno, I have some pretty rare albums. But that brings up the most obvious question. I assume that your rip gets registered in the database if it's the the first time its ever been ripped. How does it know it's 100% accurate for when someone else rips the same album latter?

Unless you go through it yourself, you can't be 100% positive it doesn't have something bad in it. You can't be absolutely sure those people can be trusted.

I'll say what I always do to open-source & botnet spouting people, what's the point if you own and use a phone & credit card, both of which give away immensely more data [while tracking your location at all times] than those close-source programs do.

which one? foobar?

You'd be extremely surprised what's already in the database. You are given the choice to submit it, but don't have to. dBpoweramp does it automatically every 30 days. That's why there's a Confidence number. Every track gets their own AccurateRip Disc ID, CRCv1, CRCv2, and CRC32.

I don't own or use either of those things though.

Yes I'm not 100% sure there is nothing bad in my kernel, in fact I'm fairly certain there are a ton of bugs and exploits that no one has found yet, but I do trust my people to do their best. The software being free and open source is just a prerequisite, it doesn't automatically make things more secure, but it does enable us to continue doing work to secure it properly.

so tes 6 runs in wine now?

You don't use a cellphone or credit card? So you pay for everything in cash and use paper maps for travel?

>can’t into the command line
>tells other people to neck themselves

WEW LAD
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Yes for pay in cash. For maps, I am fine using a mapping application if it lets you download the maps for offline use, anything based on openstreetmap will likely let you do this. This can be easily be done on an android tablet (not running stock ROMs of course) which can then be airgapped.

Anyone mind explaining to me what all these foobar and similar niggers are talking about? I use cmus and it's just what it's supposed to be, a music player. You choose the songs and play them. As simple as that. On the other hand, they are dropping some sort of, guessing, buzzwords which are supposed to make their programs superior, no? I would like to understand why they can't use cmus or something similar.

It's just babyduck syndrome. Don't pay it much attention.

The appeal of foobar2000 is mainly for its support of components and customization. Gapless playback was a huge thing when it was first released, but most players support it now. If you simply want to play a few popular formats and don't care about looks, basically any audio player will do.

The one windows application that prevented me from completely migrating over to GNU/linux never existed.

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>word
wps office
>games
steam proton, lutris
>gfx optimus
nvidia-xrun, PRIME
I agree with the habits guy

I like kolourpaint and krita

>needs two softwares
>needs use command line
>to play an simple music
user...

word sucks, office 2019 has political correctness due to fags, just use openoffice or libreoffice, also a lot of games run just fine on linux there are a lot of steam games that either utilize proton or run natively under linux due to the fact steamOS is based on Linux so yeah the whole "u can't game on linux" is fucking stupid

nigger ever hear of rythmbox?

it actually makes sense to have a client/server setup for music seeing the whole streaming hype.
also you have graphical clients for it for your phone.

>WPS Office
>Zhuhai-based Chinese software developer Kingsoft
Enjoy the Chinese stealing all your information.

yes

its visual studio

What features in foobar do you need that aren't available in deadbeef?

>china bad
>us good
fuck off user, Im from neither country so it literally doesnt matter who spies on me.
also
>using an office application in the first place
I was merely recommending something to the dumb user.

desu I still use a word processor over latex because of automatic table of contents creation

>because of automatic table of contents creation
user what are you doing..
\tableofcontents

>there is literally nothing that compares to it in linux
Ok, post a comparison between foobar and all the other music players that people have suggested and explain what features are missing from them. I'm sure you can do it since you just said none of them compare.

Wait, really? Well shit, I should have just looked it up instead of assuming it didn't exist. How do you pass documents around to colleagues that don't use latex then? Convert to PDF or something?

I have yet to find a standalone Spreadsheet program that isn't complete ass when opening massive spreadsheets.

yes, I use pdf
wps office has a spreadsheet application in it, dont know how good it is with a big file though.

>>needs to use command line
>needs to

Fucking hellski. The command line is the default, you absolute numbskull. Using a GUI just means your to much of a dumdum to figure that out.

>>to play simple music

Yes, as we all know, the software you use depends on the complexity of the music.

“Well, I was going to listen to some John Coltrane, but WinAmp just can’t seem to figure out the chord changes.”

Could just get another drive and just read the other drive for things you may need?

I already use Libreoffice, almost exclusively for Calc as it handles 100+ page spreadsheets with ease. Tried Gnumeric before and it either crashes or is dial-up internet slow.

ever used sc-im? vim based terminal spreadsheet program

Clementine is the closest thing to Foobar on Linux
Ugly but highly customizable (but not as much as Foobar) and I can salvage most of my Foobar functionality.

The problem is development has slowed and it can graphically freeze up on KDE occasionally.
Its jankiness makes me attracred to other players (Eliza is a new one that's very iTunes-like, which I consider a good thing; nothing rivals iTunes's library presentation... well, except Eliza) but their lack of basic-ass functionality keeps me from using them. No playlist support? Only one playlist at a time? No UI tweaking? Eliza doesn't have a REPEAT TRACK function. You can only repeat playlist or not at all. What in the fuck. How hard is this shit.

Clementine's the only functional player on Linux.

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What most linux players fail on is library browsing/presentation. Adding songs and categorizing them manually may be fine if you have 100 or so, but when you're in the hundreds of thousands it becomes impossible
Why do UNIX weenies insist on sticking with using UIs based off 40-year-old tech? Is displaying images the worst heresy that someone can commit?

not just one
>microsoft office
>pdf xchange
>photoshop cs6
>adobe premiere
>mpc hc
>paint

Nearly all of those are proprietary and closed source. Do not use them under any circumstances.

>What most linux players fail on is library browsing/presentation. Adding songs and categorizing them manually may be fine if you have 100 or so, but when you're in the hundreds of thousands it becomes impossible
Clementine and other players work I've tried work fine and pic related is my music library
Sure, the first time you link up the folder to scan, it takes a bit, but thereafter it's smooth.

>Why do UNIX weenies insist on sticking with using UIs based off 40-year-old tech? Is displaying images the worst heresy that someone can commit?
Agreed. Command line music play borders on full retard autism.
But not necessarily.
Mpv, for instance, is a command line player. Its UI sucks ass, but the fact that it's a player easily summonable from the CL has non-obvious advantages:
E.g., you can alias this command:
mpv --shuffle --loop-file=no --really-quiet /your/show/library &
Now, when you type `shows`, an mpv window will open, playing your entire show library on shuffle.
You can even open an entire directory with mpv in 'Open with...' and it auto-generates a playlist with all the stuff in that directory.
It's of course autistic, but stuff like that is nice and something you wouldn't be able to do with, like MPC-HC on Windows or something.

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>Sure, the first time you link up the folder to scan, it takes a bit, but thereafter it's smooth.
1 TB SSD btw

there's just one tiny problem
ditching those software prevents me from making a living and affording stuff like, uhm, a brand new tinfoil hat!

Some of us go to school or have jobs

>Not having a slo-growth trust fund and rich parents and thus being able to afford the moral highground
Can't you see you're part of the problem anons?
Capitalism is DEPRECATED
Decommodify housing NAO!

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What about games?
Virtually all games are closed source, and I've never heard anyone demand them to be.
It's not an unreasonable double-standard: we expect open-source solutions to integral, utilitarian software where high security risk exists (OS, browser) or where financial livelihood is gatekept (IDE, media production), but where it's an artist's work we enjoy recreationally, it seems absurd unless you're literally Stallman.

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Because GNU/Linux tinfoil retards scoff at playing games. It's a losing argument for them as as the Winfags have to say is "at least we have games".

Linux also has games.

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