Want help? >State the budget & CURRENCY >List your uses e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors include purpose & graphics pairing >NO Speccy or "bottleneck checkers"
CPUs based on current prices >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming >R3 2200G - Light 30-60fps gaming(dGPU optional). 2400G if you want a CPU which can last into a GPU upgrade >R5 2600/X - Good 60fps+ gaming & multithreaded use >9700k - Be aware that performance is down up to 9% since past benchmarks >R7 2700/X - Best value high-end CPU on a non-HEDT platform >Threadripper - HEDT
>BE AWARE that Microsoft, Apple, and others recommend disabling hyperthreading on Intel CPUs. Be aware that Intel tried to bribe researchers to delay releasing the vulnerability by an extra 6 months so they could do another stock sell off and release you scam 10th gen CPUs with HT.
RAM >NEVER use only a single stick >8GB - very light use, and/or if you don't mind closing programs regularly >16GB - standard amount. If you have to ask if you need more, you don't >CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2800MHz+ is ideal. Check "more" for true latency formula
Graphics cards based on current pricing: 1080p >RX 570/580 - value. >1660 - Slightly better perf for more demanding games on high/maxed 60fps+; > 1660Ti / 1070 / Vega56 - higher framerates 1440p (WQHD) >1070Ti / Vega - 60-120fps+ in most games on high/maxed >2070 Overclocked or Radeon VII - Worth considering >2080Ti - higher framerates 2160p (4k) >Radeon VII - weaker than 2080ti >RTX 2080Ti - good, but poor value.
Other >Consider a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & HDD >M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard >Consider 75hz display minimum; 60hz are old models >PLAN BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >AIOs don't change the laws of thermodynamics
1st for Intel CPU's have 75+ vulnerabilities baked in with most recent one discovered yesterday and only way to mitigate risk is to disable hyperthreading.
Brayden Morris
>Buy Cheap ass Vega 56 >Install Vega 64 BIOS >tweak memory timings >find the best overclock/undervolt sweetspot >Beat the shit out of RTX 2070 and GTX 1080.
Have to both patch AND disable HT, not just one or the other, to be clear. i5s still got a performance decrease from the new patches despite no HT. Just hit HT CPUs even harder.
I'm happy with my Vega 56 stock. It's just the blowers and shitty models that sucked. The Powercolor and Sapphire ones are great.
Continuing off last thread; 2070 or wait for AMD's new cards
Noah Allen
Reminder that shills lied about spectre/meltdown patches not affecting performance because they were using GPU bottlenecked gaming tests. Reality is that performance where CPU is the bottleneck (like having only 6 threads in witcher 3) dropped 10% or more and the new patches drop it close to up to another 10%.
Yeah that one is fine too.
I'd at least wait until the paper-launch to see if it's worth waiting further. At E3.
Charles Davis
Wait for at least the Navi Announcement/more info in one week.
Jack Nelson
Unless you absolutely need a PC in the next week for some reason, wait.
Ayden Jenkins
Alright thanks, came really close to buying the 2070
Jack White
What would be on the next week? Interesting
Isaac Green
What exactly are the vulnerabilities associated with hyperthreading?
Bentley Ortiz
why do I need windows 10 pro to use remote desktop? wtf man. The google one feels clunky. Damn dude, idk about these VRMs. A lot of them don't support 1440p without being way out of my price range. I think I'm going to just hardwire fix this anytime I switch things up. Or buy a 2nd monitor so I can just use my desktop more to my liking.
I just need it for work (3d modeling/rendering and gaming) Any hiccups with the build so far?
Oliver Morris
>navi coming >wait for 7nm there's always some reason to wait for something better.
Benjamin Mitchell
youtube.com/watch?v=wQvgyChrk_g Sort of like a man-in-the-middle attack except it can see encryption keys and all the encrypted data on the core's cache when it has HT.
Why do you have a 7800X? This is a weird mix of budget stuff and overpriced useless stuff. >rendering Vague >gaming 7800X is trash at gaming.
Jackson Kelly
InTELLS what amDON't.
Kevin Gray
I got it as a birthday gift. Why is it trash at gaming?
Nathaniel Adams
Well for one it's only 6core/6thread like the i5-8400 once you disable hyperthreading to fix its security issues. Patches alone don't fix them. But even unsecured, and before the patches reduced performance even with HT disabled, it performed worse than the 2600X in gaming. It's a really bad gaming CPU. It's meant for HEDT... but it's not very good for that either.
youtube.com/watch?v=3ucQK-g57-U Keep in mind these benchmarks were before the security disclosure embargo lifted and that it's much worse now. But even the best case scenario for the CPU was bad. The only benefit that CPU has over the 2600X is quad channel memory. But you can get a 12 core Threadripper for a similar price. The CPU being expensive doesn't make it good. It was tremendously overpriced as it was planned to launch before Ryzen fucked up Intel's plans.
You should sell it. Someone dumb might buy it because it's a #800X CPU.
Why's this so difficult for you to look up yourself?
Nathaniel King
56s are $300 on newegg right now. That's a fucking steal if I've ever seen one.
Matthew Collins
I want to build a PC to test around server stuff for self-hosted websites, do you have recommandations for low-price AND secure hardware that I could use for this ?
That is around $55 USD each. I'd get one now and another one in some months when I have some money. Is this a good idea? Is there a better stick in the same price range?
Julian Sanders
I have to ask man. How do you not care about paying for Intel's borked shit after all this?
Xavier Adams
While we wait for Zen 2... "Gigabyte boards are bad for AMD" Does that include the Designare X399 one? I like no gaming bullshit on my boards. What are general good brands for AM4/TR2? Has anyone redone benchmarks with the intel fixes, or is it too soon? Regarding Zen2, and the possible 16 core ryzen one, do you guys think it will be monolithic or use a NUMA design like threadripper?
Juan Cox
Looking for a cheap but good case
Aerocool Cylon or Aerocool Aero-800?
Any other?
Evan Bell
What would be a better GPU for video editing at 1080p RX 570, 580, or a 1660?
Since I posted too late in the last thread, I'll repost it here:
My main workhorse is pic related.
I want to upgrade the GPU to something a bit newer but I'm limited. The current Radeon HD 8570 only has a 50W current draw. The machine is a Dell Optiplex 3020 I got for cheap from a liquidator. However, Dell decided to go back to their old proprietary garbage and the PSU can't reasonably be upgraded.
Looking for a GPU better than the current Radeon HD 8570 that runs on a paltry 50W or around there. Prefer an AMD GPU if possible.
>I like no gaming bullshit on my boards. X377M Taichi? >do you guys think it will be monolithic or use a NUMA design like threadripper? semi-NUMA.
580/590, most likely. Much more compute. 580 tends to perform like a 1070 in a lot of workstation tasks.
>Looking for a GPU better than the current Radeon HD 8570 that runs on a paltry 50W or around there. Prefer an AMD GPU if possible. Why does it have to be 50W? If you're dead set on low power, upgrade whole PC to 2400G. The iGPU is about 3x more powerful than the 8570, and the total system consumption will be in the 70-150W range depending on how much you OC it.
It uses less power now that you have to disable HT.
It's been a month and I still can't decide on what I want for my gaming PC. Every little feature seems like an endless rabbit hole and I'm scared of fucking it up and wasting 1,900$. Not even sure if building a PC is worth it, when pre built pcs are around the same price. But I want to build my own PC. Reeeeeeee
don't spend two thousand dollars on a gaming console you moron. buy a ps4 to play bloodborne and build a decent desktop with integrated graphics to do computer things on.
Carter Kelly
Funny you use a picture of him. Varg has nothing against video games.
Bentley Davis
So the Vega56 is better than the 1080 now but just hotter right?
Gavin Watson
RTX 2060 owner here. Visiting /pcbg/ makes me regret my purchase more and more as I could have waited a month to get a Vega 56 for only $300 USD.
Hunter Anderson
He also has good taste in video games, his top four are great.
Aaron Taylor
>buying a console Fuck off normie reeeee
Landon Roberts
Nothing wrong with consoles.
Charles Howard
Just consider the savings you make by pirating. If you regularly pay full price for console games, it would take you only 8-10 games to recoup the entire cost of a good value 1080p desktop. The only danger is that once you start getting into this stuff, researching, discussing, etc., you can become too emotionally invested in it and unable to just stop at the sweet spot where your needs have been met for the minimal cost. You start thinking what about 1440p? 4k? What is RTX? Do I need more than 4 cores? Special mouse, headphones, etc, etc, etc, etc. As long as you can avoid that autism, then it makes no sense NOT to have a PC for playing games on.
Daniel Brooks
I've seen the adapters before. The problem with them is that a standard size PSU doesn't fit in these chassis. Like I said: Dell proprietary bullshit. The only option is to have the PSU outside of the chassis, and I'm simply not gonna do that ghetto ass shit. So my only option is to either keep the struggle GPU it already has or find something better with a similar current draw.
what GPU should i get for playing vidya editing my shitty gaming videos and other shitposts of the sort, have had enough with shitty performance on vegas, and yes i am very aware no one watches my shit, nor do i care the slightets
budget is solid midrange, 1070 tier, forgot to mention
Landon Diaz
I don't see the problem. Vega 56/64 are even better for video editing than the RTX equivalents, not to mention having fantastic gaming performance for lower price.
Anthony Davis
Wait a few more months. The ryzen 3000 series, navi, news about Nvidia 7nm cards and whatever intel is planning for 2019 will be revealed in that time and all of these have the potential to be worthwhile considerations for your build.
Isaiah Thomas
kek imagine being elitist about g a y m e s
Samuel Sanchez
There are non-standard size PSUs. Why not buy a new $20 case, too? You're really gimping yourself making strange requirements instead of fixing the source of those problems. $20 case $30 psu $110 RX570 and you'll have a like 10 times stronger GPU.
David Jones
you forgot the motherboard to go with it, 'cause Dell clearly ain't using an ATX board.
Nicholas Barnes
Consoles are even worse than Intel
Nolan Hall
No you use the fucking converter that the other user linked you jesus you're beyond help aren't you
I'd be using only one 8Gb stick for some weeks until I can buy another one. The Corsair cx650m is available in a store near me at 50% less so I guess I should take it.
Forgot to mention I'll use a 100GB intel SSD I have laying around here somewhere and also a 1TB HDD I also have around here.
I can't spend any more money.
Colton Gray
>pcpartpicker.com/list/Lg9qjy >$177 for an RX570 >$86 shipping on case >board without VRM heatsinks Just save up more money for the 2x8GB of RAM, too. By the time you have enough, shit will probably be cheaper. Do you really need a new PC *now*?
Aaron White
Where do I go to find a win7 license?
Asher Diaz
Buying single sticks 2 times could be risky. Different batches of the same memory models could have different secondary and tertiary timings. Corsair cx's should be avoided as those fail at a higher rate within the first year.
Isaiah Sanders
>>board without VRM heatsinks What board should I get? Honest question. I feel so overwhelmed by the many options on boards.
>>$86 shipping on case I'd be getting everything on stores not listed in pcpartpicker, most components even have free shipping so don't mind that.
Nathaniel Sanders
All you can get is OEM
Ethan Campbell
It is 'better' if you don't mind tweaking the bios, memory clocks, memory timings and power limit to 400w. There's nothing to regret as both are similar enough. You're only losing out on 2gb vram which may or may not matter in the future.
Jason Ortiz
Sony Vegas is a video editing program
Elijah Bennett
>I feel so overwhelmed by the many options on boards. Cheapest that's not gigabyte and has a VRM heatsink I guess. Gaming Plus is usually a decent cheap option but I don't know what shit is like wherey ou live dude. >I'd be getting everything on stores not listed in pcpartpicker, most components even have free shipping so don't mind that. then put that in there.
Christian Lee
>Corsair cx's should be avoided as those fail at a higher rate within the first year. It's also refurbished, I just noticed.
But it's so cheap. Oh man I don't know.
Bentley Lewis
You know what's not cheap? Replacing your computer parts if your shitty PSU fries them.
Justin Rivera
maybe you didn't fucking read where user said:
>Why not buy a new $20 case, too? You're really gimping yourself making strange requirements instead of fixing the source of those problems. >$20 case >$30 psu >$110 RX570 >and you'll have a like 10 times stronger GPU.
If you're recommending buying a new case, and we all know Dell's good for using non-standard sized components (i.e. the aforementioned PSU for starters), then if I'm getting a new case, I'll need a new motherboard 'cause I won't be able to use the Dell joint I already have.
Joshua Stewart
Alright. I'll go with the EVGA 500B.
Is this good?
Benjamin Cooper
To be fair, at least that PSU doesn't have a reputation of bombing PCs. It just has a reputation of failing itself.
I read it. You're just dumb. You can put a dell board in a different case what the fuck.
It's not "good". But it's okay.
Nothing will run 144hz in every game.
Michael Flores
That is obvious. But for the most part as of now, I should be okay? At this point all I play is rust, dayz, and rainbow.
Ryder Turner
Rainbow 6 siege runs at 144fps @ 1440p on Vega64. That's overkill. I'm not sure about Rust and DayZ. I'm sure they run a lot worse. Those seem like the sorts of shitty optimized games which won't run at 144fps no matter what your hardware is.
Look at youtube and see how people run those other games. But for Intel you have to assume performance is far worse now since the patches and disabling HT.
Aiden Thomas
That is what I play now. I don’t know what I may play in a year.
Samuel Hall
No, you really can't. I've tried a number of times. The last time I could actually put a Dell board in a standard ATX case was with my old Slot-1, Dell XPS-450 but even that machine was fucked up by Dell's infamous ATX-but-not-ATX PSU's. Their old PSU's used a standard ATX molex connector, but had a different pin-out so that if you replaced your PSU with a standard one it would fry the mobo and possibly your PCI cards as well.
And all of that is moot. I'm not looking for a shitload of performance, just something a bit better than what I have. I don't play a lot of games, and definitely nothing "modern" but I to have CS:GO and a handful of other games. My other machine has a 2GB GT710 in it and CS:GO runs ok (it's a Xeon X3220 aka C2Q 6600), and I've seen where this thing is a bit faster than a GT730 so I'm looking for better than that.
Kevin Jackson
How should one remove thermal paste from CPU?
Jeremiah Martinez
Is a Tensorbook worth buying?
William Foster
Reminder you are only allowed to post cpu benchmarks where Intel wins.
Gavin Brown
lick it off
John Bell
>Reality is that performance where CPU is the bottleneck (like having only 6 threads in witcher 3) dropped 10% or more and the new patches drop it close to up to another 10%. Performance is kind of identical for gaming/benches Before MC and OS update: valid.x86.fr/rtkaim After: valid.x86.fr/n4vtxm
Cinebench got the same 2.1k for me too. spectre/meltdown is 5% hit at worst (even less with recent retpoline updates. 3dmark CPU test reported just 2% lower scores for me)
Luke Baker
>CPU-Z >Cinebench >3DMark Wow those are my favorite games
Austin Lewis
Trying to make a good budget gaming PC for my friend that should be able to play mostly everything at a minimum of 30 fps on low settings Anything I should change on this to fit that better so the pricing is better for him? pcpartpicker.com/list/WP6nxG
Chase Smith
You can't find a better mobo in budget?
Connor Sullivan
>Wow.. I got no idea how this mitigation works, but I assure you that games will be definitely slower! Because.. magic or something
Cameron Nelson
I threw that together in minute just kind of downgrading parts I have so it's probably kind of shit for it's purpose
Alexander Lopez
Get a disposable microfiber cloth and wipe it down with Isopropyl Alcohol. Wipe both the heatsink and CPU.
Christian Stewart
>tfw poorfag >tfw fell for the 4670k meme in 2013 when the 4790 was coming out >tfw shit chip can't go past 4.3 >tfw spectre patch >tfw zombieload patch
Buy a grey market key from trustworthy ebay seller or kinguin etc.
Wyatt Perry
Something I've never thought of before for some reason: If the recent CPU vulns target multithreading in CPUs, will they affect me if my CPU doesn't have multithreading support?
Joseph Young
What's the difference between using one stick of 16GB RAM and two 8GB ones? Does it matter which one I go for?
Asher Diaz
No you need the patches AND to disable HT. Not one or the other. If you don't have HT, you still need the patches.
Read the link in the OP. Pretty sure it goes over that and why single channel is bad.
Alexander Rodriguez
>tweak memory timings does that actually make a difference?
John Gonzalez
If you've given two choices, LG 24MK430H and Samsung S24F350, which one would you choose?
