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Intels 10nm = TSMC/Samsungs 7nm

Who are really the jews here?

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Doesn't Intel's 10nm suck so much that Skylake outperforms it?

intel doesn't have 10nm yet, but TSMC and Samsung dont have 7nm.

CannonLake is 10nm, isn't it?

>TSMC and Samsung dont have 7nm.

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They are very low power mobile processors but sure

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Their 7nm is actually worse than Intels 10nm.

Intel's 10nm is actually more denser and powerful than TSMC 7nm.
I truly believe that Intel are sandbagging. Here's why
>They're waiting to check how much AMD 7nm is faster than their 14nm
>AMD Zen 2 AT BEST would be equivalent or 3-5% faster than their 14nm Coffee Lake
>Unless something drastic happens, lithography tech is at its limit. AMD has possibly (if TSMC see it as feasible) just one more step, 5nm, to go while Intel has 10nm, 7nm and possibly 5nm.
>It would be foolish to release 10nm right now if AMD's 7nm is barely equivalent to your 14nm

Remember, Intel are gigantic jews. I 100% believe they have working 10nm but they're holding it back because of AMD Zen 2. They're waiting to see where the market goes with Zen 2 launch, especially the 16 core part, and will respond accordingly.

>sandbagging
Sure, they have been """sandbagging"" since before Zen1 was released, 10nm should have been ready years ago.

>Who are really the jews here?
Both because neither has feature sizes the names suggest.

>o-our 10nm a-are better! y-you all w-will see!

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7mm, 10mm & 14mm all mean dogshit. It's been a while since these names actually referred to gate width.

See and compare GF/TSMC's 7 to Intel's 10.
Intel ain't behind of the curve, nor are they ahead of it.

they are the curve

Of course they are. Why release a faster product when there is no competition? Or the competition is slower than your ancient tech.

>Who are really the jews here?
Intel.

Intel is losing a huge amount of credibility and sales, and more immortality the perception is being created that AMD is ahead.

They would be stupid to do all this - just look at their stock. A company's job is to sell their shit, and Intel is failing badly.

AWS used only Intel processors for years and years - and recently they introduced AMD for the first time, and this is already very bad for Intel.

If things continue, AMD will just continue to eat into Intel sales. Every month Intel allows this to happen they are losing sales and doing more permanent damage to their brand.

AMD isnt ahead.

It will be with zen2

this, they are far behind in vulnerabilities

you can literally go and buy a TSMC 7nm AMD GPU today
like its on shelves, go and pick it up, its fuckin real

Cannonlake is a single processor made in a batch of 100k units at single digit yields just so Intel could say "shipped for revenue in 2017"

Wrong, you're just looking at a few small numbers which only tell you one thing: its denser

Intel has had a Rome ES in testing for months, they picked one up really early when AMD sent em out to partners back in December.
You're going to be extremely surprised by the performance delta between Zen 2 and Coffee/Cascade Lake
This is where you out yourself as an idiot. The "#nm" numbers are meaningless labels. You already said Intel 10nm was denser (it is), that means TSMC has further to shrink. They'll just make something called 3nm and have it be comparable to Intel 5nm in density.
No it wouldn't you gibbering oaf, they released 45nm, 32nm, 22nm, and 14nm in the absence of any real competition from AMD. Thats because they don't just compete with AMD, and CPUs are not their only product.

They never referred to gate width, they referred to half pitch between gates. The problem is that kinda became meaningless with FinFETs so they just use density scaling and marketing from there.

>You're going to be extremely surprised by the performance delta between Zen 2 and Coffee/Cascade Lake
Post source or kys. I won't trust some delusional AMD retard.
What I've posted is a fact. Zen2 matched Coffee lake in AMD's own presentation in performance.

>You already said Intel 10nm was denser (it is), that means TSMC has further to shrink.
Just because they have further to shrink doesn't mean they will. TSMC has 5nm after 7nm. But its still in feasibility stage and require $20bn to set-up. TSMC has openly stated that most of their customers are not interested even in 7nm let alone 5nm due to very high costs so 5nm may never happen. Only AMD and Apple are the two customers using 7nm.

>No it wouldn't you gibbering oaf, they released 45nm, 32nm, 22nm, and 14nm in the absence of any real competition from AMD.
That's because shrinking till 14nm wasn't hard. In fact, it was cheaper to them in the long run. Plus, they could sell the same processor each year with a different name. Now they're not showing all their cards until Zen 2 release.

at far lower clocks
source are the benchmarks of Rome vs Cascade Lake-AP that Intel themselves released, they gave the frequency of CL-AP, the frequency of Rome is known from ES leaks, and so the approximate IPC improvement can be calculated. Final frequency is the only unknown but the IPC improvement is such that frequency parity with Zen 1 is all thats required for your 5% figure.

>Only AMD and Apple are the two customers using 7nm.
other than, you know, nvidia, qualcomm, xilinix, huawei, but those are small players clearly

>5nm will take effort
correct, thats why they'll have a 6nm intermediate node before that

>shrinking before wasn't hard
HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHhhaha FuCK, just because it got HARDER doesn't mean it was easy

heres the biggest question for you, why didn't they release 10nm to sandbag Zen or Zen+? Intel has lost loads of market share to it.

>announce vaporware to keep your channel partners away from competitor
>oy vey it didnt work out
Business as usual for kiketel

I don't know, man, at least TSMC's 7nm exists.

Because you want people to upgrade from your own older products? And/or to stay ahead of the competition?

>immortality
How to tell a phoneposter.

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>What I've posted is a fact. Zen2 matched Coffee lake in AMD's own presentation in performance.
on a pre production with shit power management and unfinalized clocks

>TSMC has openly stated that most of their customers are not interested even in 7nm let alone 5nm due to very high costs
The reason TSCM 7 nm is so expensive is mostly because of multiple patterning, though. With 7+ and especially with 5, they'll be switching to EUV, which will drastically cut costs.

I doubt it had "shit power management", seeing as how it ran the test at like 1/2 to 1/3 of the power consumption of the CFL part.

he lookin fresh

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