The computer I have today is hundreds of times faster than the one I had back in the '90s...

lol what the fuck are you even saying? if you like using slow as fuck software that breaks all the time then go ahead and use it. nostalgiatards are fucking delusional.

I think living in the "information age" has drastically ruined most of our senses of time. Sure we struck gold and discovered techniques to double cpu power every few years, but that is not our bottleneck. The field of computer science is is very very new. Many old people alive today hadn't even heard of computers until their late teens.

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If you retrofags were that correct why not just make a bunch of benchmarks for various workloads ie excel spreadsheets, word documents, etc, between old machines and new ones?
Few charts will go a long way in proving there is something more to this than just your nostalgia for the lost youth.

Why did people assume there is a high correlation between hardware and software to begin with? Sounds retarded in my opinion.

Unironically this

Software from about 2000 -2010 runs faster and has fewer bugs. It amazes me how shit most current software is.

2000-2005 soft was ridden with bugs and windows xp/vista bluescreened me all the time but everything since the release of windows 7 till windows 8 worked flawlessly.

>think back on early 2000's when the web was still relatively young and adventurous
>people taught you to never use identifying stuff online
>wild west darknet esque, most information was technical but viruses were plentiful
>freeware and gaming mods craze similar to foss/oss
>pirating was common place
>static sites everywhere with indexing to others as you get lost in the vast wealth of information and unique insight into actual indivualists content
>connon day DSL rates were considered high speed
>pre wow/guildwars when games like ultima and later one RS commanded the highed online rpg numbers
>LAN gaming with buddies with your mish mash of machines that were so unique in shapes and colorfulness after the boom of the late 90's case modders scene
>people shared software/music/games locally and commonly for school and entertainment with the CDs similar to usb/sdcards today
>running Diablo2 ladder at night to get that extra network speed because it was so demanding compared to other real online rpgs at that time
(comfy and quiet too btw)
>go to bed and cache up a bunch of your mp3s on limewire to download
>get back from school and flash them all to your mp3 player that everyone had since they were around 10-20 dollars back then (pre ipod)
to listen to after school with your friends as you walked around town or went airsofting

>offnet you felt like a cyberpunk since your parents generation were still very computer illiterate and the only mobile gaming was GBA/GBC link cable battles and swapping carts (pre psp)
>our generation was the first to have common phones but the world still felt very isolated and down to eath with clear lines between the digital and physical
>flip phones or the poor ones of us with bricc nokias
>only games were snake and the most blinged out paid for custom ringtones since we barely used them but for emergencies
>times were more trusting and safer so you could head out in town or the woods with your buds till curfew and not be bothered and have some crazy explorations
>hang out at mcdonalds and get free water and wait for other kids to randomly show up throughout the day while we listen to mp3s/gameboy/talk about bands
>go to mall and pick up qt rock/ punk grills and the early bleeding into emo phase
>people even dressed technopunk with headphone integrated hoodies or large headphones around necks, dark and baggy, large digital watches, sneakers or boots, keychain mini FM radios
>loads of battery powered analog gadgets in all our pockets (very common fad with cargo pockets, fany pack, and backpacks)
>voice recorders, keychain type PDAs with notes/calc/contacts, flashlights, walkie talkies, "spy gadets", back pocket cd players
>all of our devices lasted days even the mp3 players and our phones for a week

>requires a RAM eating browser
So? just buy more RAM. What are you poor?

>we brought chargers with us and found outdoor outlets and ran most devices off of a DC adapter if they had the ports to save precous battery since rechargables were only in flip phones and used old NMH or nicad.
>mp3 players used button cells or a single AAA to stay minimal
>we all just memorized our friends and our own numbers but never really called eachother but to tell them to meet you somewhere irl because we like to be anonymous
>camera were shitty and people protected their physical privacy offline too
>the little that did exist at the time could be out manuevered
>remember running google world map before it was a web utility and it could run on a 32bit 512MB ram PC OFFLINE LOCALLY and you would spend hours exploring places in egypt, speculated secret gov locations, and stonehenge with ability to load up PICTURES
>a couple years later they added space view where you could see stars/planets/constellations

Shit was way better than google maps today and also every common mp3 player was accesible without software like a flashdrive. drag n drop.

It was only after the Ipods showed up that people used software to configure them. (also adding DRM) and upping the price incredibly.

Also all devices had buttons to operating without looking at them.
Forgot to mention games like Unreal tournement, Doom, duke nukem, Quake, flightsims

Software and hardware was way better built.

Whatever happened to winamo? It was max comfy and simple mp3 player with all those skins.

Cute, try playing a video, a MP3, a game and browsing the web on a computer from the mid-90's, AT THE SAME TIME.

Soulful UIs.

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Soul

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VR and stuff keeps developing and I'm not just talking about gaming VR actually has a lot of other uses too. There's also 3d printing now.

/thread

Why would you ever do that?

Try taking a shit while flying an airplane and mowing the lawn.

I'm so addicted to Winamp that even moving to linux I had to make another media player look like winamp (I like the bento colors so I'm using that instead of the classic ones)

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Because I like shitposting online, while having a news stream open, with my own songs playing quietly as background music while I occasionally spend a few minutes playing an MMO.
I did do this already 23 years ago on my Amiga though, except the video stream.

Beyond what said, don't forget how many common nuisances you had to face until around XP SP2.

BSOD after installing a new driver, BSOD when loading a resource-intensive webpage with a dodgy script, BSOD when quitting a video game because why not, random BSOD because Windows thought it had been a while since the last BSOD, bugs and random crashes were much more common, you had to reboot after installing new software, webpages would harass you with Java applets which took fucking forever to load and ActiveX widgets which threatened to nuke your PC, if you hadn't taken precautions you could infect your vanilla XP within minutes of connecting to the internet, etc.

And that was just the Windows experience. Linux was absolutely fucking dreadful, there were no drivers for it, even getting Flash video with sound working was a fucking hack, you would try to find drivers for hardware closest in production to yours and had to pray it would work.

There's a reason Macs had a superior reputation fifteen years ago.

It peaked with the Amiga.
Don't believe me? Look it up, it's all over the internet.

that's not true at all:
>browsing porn in 1999
>browsing porn in 2019

Stop, please. It hurts.

>aol messenger up
>winamp playing rammstein
>myself playing nfs underground

that was pretty common, late 90's. I'd agree with mid 90's though.

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based
youtube.com/watch?v=fd02pGJx0s0

No other player will so consistently whip your llama's ass.

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>those equalizer mods
you must have shit audio gear

>Has software development peaked?
There is a shitload of potential in software development. You won't see for few more years, something special needs to happen before it becomes profitable to explore that potential.

it might have been at a slightly lower resolution. also the nice thing is that smartphones and tablets are popular now so i can lay down in bed and watch porn

>134k piece of software was all you needed to listen to music
WISH I COULD TURN BACK TIME

Software development has actively gone backwards. Cross-platform total compatibility for programs was a real thing with Java and AWT, now we don't even have that any more.

Go back to Jow Forums you filthy commie

You could cache the entire of excel in 1.2gb and still have 1.2gb left over

Been a desktop user since way back when.

Moved and never bothered to hook my machine back up a couple years ago. Have been using phones and tablets exclusively.

Bought a new PC last week, installed Windows and Linux. I had forgotten about how truly terrible desktop OS and software look out of the box, compared to their mobile counterparts.

I mean, I'm the type of guy who doesn't even bother to change the default wallpaper, and in the past I'd just laugh at people for complaining about aesthetic choices, so long as the functionality is there and it's somewhat intuitive, but fuckin' a, going back kinda grossed me out a little.

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>Jow Forums
>commie

retard

>current software
what current software? literally almost everything i use is on a browser

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fpbp

>literally almost everything i use is on a browser
AKA "I'm a consumerist idiot."

I went from fapping to shit quality vanilla porn over a dialup connection to jerking it to interactive VR sex simulators.

We've come a long way.

post a list of the software you use on a daily basis

>Yes what I can do with it has not fundamentally changed
content creation and content consumption is what's changed. Video editing and rendering, photo editors, video games and video game development, etc. Yes you could do primitive forms of these, but not in the fidelity and scale you can on modern hardware software

It sounds like you're not creative enough to come up with new things to do with computers or ways to use computers but that's your fault. New things are being done with computers all the time, you just have to research what can be done with computers.

But what if I don’t want to Facebook.

>Yes what I can do with it has not fundamentally changed.
This is what retard consumerists ACTUALLY BELIEVE.

Can you train ML models on millions of pictures on a 90s era pentium 2? Good luck.

If they cut back on advertising departments you would see a change overnight. But we all know that will never happen.

why not play a game with a proper multi-threaded engine and realtime ray-traced light calculations? Or maybe play an 1080p HD movie on a small chromebook?
but those are just iterations, why not do some at home 3-d modeling and texture simulation? it took pixar months to do that on a server farm, it might take a high end pc a week or so now. Then you could 3D print one of the models?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_performance_by_orders_of_magnitude is an interesting Wikipedia article. There are books and news articles about new things that computers can be used to do all the time.

I’m just talking good old software to consume. Why arts? Why creation kits? Simulators for one.

Sounds like you weren't actually around in the 90s. Even something consumer facing like Netflix -- livestreaming TV shows at cable quality -- would be seen as a downright technical marvel in the 90s

>plebbit faggot
you must go back to your shitehole board

danluu.com/input-lag/

someone post the video

ITT: drooling retard who uses google docs on a $2k zoomer machine with unresponsive tabs taking 40min to process shit 90's computers did in seconds

Sure but we had portable color TVs for that. And Netflix really sucks.

you're insane. in 1999 it was slow to download images, and most the free stuff wasn't as good as what you'd get in a playboy or hustler. In 2019, you can have free videos of basically fucking anything streamed instantly.

A lot of stuff is not too different, especially if you're using a computer to read and write documents or do simple calculations. But porn is definitely a whole new world from what it was. In 1999 could you go on a livestream cam site and click a button to activate some bitches vibrator?

Depends what you use the computer for. If you use the computer to write documents, keep track of finances, do calculations, it isn't too much different now. The prevailance of the internet is what really changed things, everyone is online, and so much content & info is available. For the average person I don't think computing power has been too much of a limiting factor though. For someone running physics simulations, modern supercomputers are a whole different ballgame. But we still had streaming video back then, it was called TV. Entertainment and consumption has definitely shifted to personal computers (smartphones) but I think a lot of basic tasks have actually gotten more difficult to do on modern computers.

>Muh porn

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If it was free maybe.

the user experience is far worse now

zero consistency, lag, bloat...

wirth's law

>Wirth's law is an adage on computer performance which states that software is getting slower more rapidly than hardware becomes faster.

>easier to use.

easier to modify and create maybe

We're discussing speed and responsiveness here, not stability. The two are entirely separate.

I don’t have anything intelligent to add, just that your playlist is dope.

i'm insane? i'm not insane. didn't read the rest

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No I don’t remember any of that. In fact I only had to take my computer in for repairs one time.

We can never go back, user. Sometimes I wish we could.

Stop wasting your life on porn

Ding ding ding.

A lot of retards in this thread aren't getting it. Computers today are ludicrously fast, so fast they eclipse the performance of surprisingly recent supercomputers. As computers continue to get more and more ludicrously fast, I want the programs I use daily to execute proportionally faster. I want the RAM footprint of the programs to stay relatively static unless there's a good reason for it. I want to be able to run more of everything. I do not want browsers and Electron apps to consume all of my "only" 8GB of RAM if you run a few of them at the same time. I do not want the program I am using to hang for a moment every time I click something. I do not want Windows 7 through 10 on an i7 to be less responsive than Windows XP on a Pentium 4 (try it out yourself if you have the equipment, click around and do things and see how you've gotten used to lag). I do not want a program to struggle to keep up with my typing.

You fags keep saying we have a lot of bandwidth -- what does that have to do with the outrageous wastefulness of programs? You fags keep saying "but you can render things these days" -- that's an example of reasonable use of machine resources and not a massive, flagrant waste of invisible churning bloat -- again, so what?

And if programs remained exactly as bloated and inefficient as today, they'd eventually be considered really snappy and lightweight on the machines of the future. If this happened, it would be fair enough. But we know that's not going to happen, don't we. We know that in 2030, you'll click something and it will cause a mad cascade of 15GB of allocations followed by a massive garbage collection pass in a web-browser-within-a-web-browser just to process whatever trivial little thing you want. Keystrokes will take 100 - 200ms to respond to, and people will be used to it. A hello world app will take up 7GB of RAM. That's just how it will be. But think of all the porn!

We need a new hotness subnet. Like onions but instead of keeping the public out. It keeps the advertising companies out.

Forgot to mention it will run much faster rather than slower. Gotta wait for space internet though or the tv stations will shut it down.

There are only so many ways you can effectively handle a given task. Moore's law was not a law.
You're both retards pulling meaningless anecdotal and poorly understood shit out of your asses as if they were facts.

What did you learn to code on pencil and paper or something? It sounds like you never even owned a computer then.

What?

>try it out yourself if you have the equipment, click around and do things and see how you've gotten used to lag
I do this every day and I always prefer my 7 and 10 machines in terms of general "smoothness" of the experience, even if some of it is likely just an illusion thanks to successfully implemented transitional effects.

Nothing is stopping you from using your old outdated software.

wow what a great post

>muh music
>muh Netflix
>muh using predictive text to make sure you capitalize all corporations

>tfw my phone is objectively better for all of these

yeah but porn destroys your soul

Did I stutter?

No, but I don't think you quoted the right post because I really have no idea what the fuck that has to do with mine.

Just wondering why you have such a obviously skewed view on something you don’t know anything about.

On one hand, I really wished webpages were as capable as they were now. I remember buying a book on "DHTML" to make web pages dynamic and shit like what you see today.
On the other hand, I never really anticipated the sheer absolute fuck bloat that resulted. There's no fucking reason that on a multi-GHz i5 machine should be choking trying to render some dynamically loaded bullshit on a page.

One big issue is that devs don't target slower hardware than what they wrote the program on, so they ignore places that could or should be optimized.

>slow as fuck software
except it literally isn't -- it's reasonably fast on hardware of the era and crazy fast on modern hardware
>breaks all the time
post-Windows 95/98/ME, I haven't really seen Office crash that much
the worst software instability came from the underlying OS (eg, non-NT versions of Windows, pre-OSX versions of MacOS) rather than the actual programs of the day themselves being less stable

It's amazing how much nicer getting porn is nowadays.

That’s nice