Is it still realistic for Huawei to retaliate against the recent US actions?

>based China bans faggot kike companies that promote diversity and leftardism

They can't but then again, they don't really have to. Huawei main market isn't the US. They had been a major regional presence and had been setting up non-US related supply chain for a while now. They will take a big hit from this incident and will lose quite a bit of money and market share but they will survive. All they need to so is to survive until they had build up the infrastructure to produce domestic-based parts to replace the ones they lost, and when they do, the US will have no power over them anymore. Like the president had said, it's a Long March. If they can survive this, they will become the new leading superpower in the world.

By far the biggest hit is losing the ARM licence. It's going to be interesting to see what they do to get around that shit

They will survive because they have state backing. It's this simple.

You know that China is literally marxist, right?

Yeah and North Korea is a democratic republic because the government says so.

No, North Korea is a communist hellscape, and so is fucking China.... What the fuck is wrong with you, are you mentally impaired?

That would destroy the electronics market sure, but it would also make the chinese economy implode.

They buy MTK SOCs and have been for ages now.

What would retaliation even mean? Aren't they the ones that went and did illegal business with Iran?

lie

sure

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China is politically communist and economically capitalist

>extreme free speech
Nothing extreme about it, libcuck.

Some men just want to watch the world burn

not op but you reddit

That makes literally no sense. First of all, marxism is a capitalist theory. Secondly, nothing about China even remotely resembles free market capitalism. The state has a majority ownership in all companies, the market is highly regulated (hence why they have banned foreign companies in the past) and the entire system is rigged in order to milk foreigners for as much money as possible so that party members can live the sweet life.

>us is the only country in the world
yeah, no

WRONG
It's not capitalism, it's a fascist economy to a T.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_fascism

t. 16yo cnn watcher

wtf I love China now

>Fascists opposed both international socialism and free market capitalism, arguing that their views represented a third position. They claimed to provide a realistic economic alternative that was neither laissez-faire capitalism nor communism.[12] They favored corporatism and class collaboration, believing that the existence of inequality and social hierarchy was beneficial (contrary to the views of socialists),[13][14] while also arguing that the state had a role in mediating relations between classes (contrary to the views of liberal capitalists).[15]

LITERALLY CHINA

CNN are cultural marxists and love China, wtf?

It will be interesting to see the long term implications. I have always thought that if you can't design, fab and assemble your own 64bit CPU and GPUs and have your critical software running on an open OS or a domestic one, you can't become a superpower or even oppose the US significantly. Too much I.T. equipment is needed to keep modern countries and military running.

Reminds me somewhat of WW2, Germany and Japan didn't really make a proper effort to secure oil and metal supplies before initiating conflicts, many weapons produced as the war began needed exotic materials and lots of fuel. Presumably they based their assumptions off WW1 where advanced technology didn't overwhelmingly influence battles.

>An important aspect of fascist economies was economic dirigism,[16] meaning an economy where the government often subsidizes favorable companies and exerts strong directive influence over investment, as opposed to having a merely regulatory role. In general, fascist economies were based on private property and private initiative, but these were contingent upon service to the state.[17]

LITERALLY CHINA

China does not oppose international socialism, they literally fund other socialist countries such as Vietnam, North Korea, Venezuela and Cuba. They also don't believe in a social hierarchy other than "are you a party member? yes/no".

>Fascism operated from a social Darwinist view of human relations and their aim was to promote superior individuals and weed out the weak.[24] In terms of economic practice, this meant promoting the interests of successful businessmen while destroying trade unions and other organizations of the working class.[25]

LITERALLY CHINA

>destroying trade unions and organizations of the working class
China _is_ nothing but a trade union and organization of the working class. They killed everyone else during the cultural revolution.

Not anymore. They suck NK dry, shit on Vietnam, Cuba is a lost cause. They gave some loans to Venezuela some years ago. It's all predatory.
>foreignaffairs.com/articles/asia/2017-08-15/why-tensions-are-rising-between-vietnam-and-china

>"are you a party member? yes/no".
This is also a form of social hierarchy.

>Confronting China is the key trade issue of our time.
edition.cnn.com/2019/05/22/perspectives/us-china-trade-war-tpp/index.html
>China's latest trade war card isn't as strong as Beijing thinks
edition.cnn.com/2019/05/21/politics/china-us-trade-war-rare-earths-intl/index.html
>Xinjiang teacher claims brainwashing and abuse inside mass detention centers
edition.cnn.com/2019/05/09/asia/xinjiang-china-kazakhstan-detention-intl/index.html

yeah, stay deluded (((megapede)))

Nah, they'd just move to Taiwan.
Which s what a bunch of industries have already done.
Server motherboard manufacturing went from being 95% Chinese to less than 50% Chinese in a year, and most of that production moved to Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea, and Malaysia.

You know nothing, my underage friend. The 'official' trade unions are nothing but a decoration.

>scmp.com/news/china-insider/article/1343678/revealed-how-trade-unions-are-failing-shenzhens-factories
>scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2158991/chinese-maoists-join-students-fight-workers-rights
>scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/2183209/least-five-labour-rights-activists-arrested-across-china

No, it wouldn't. The CCP's stranglehold on the Chinese economy is too tight.

People keep forgetting that the CCP doesn't actually drink its own kool-aid like the West does. Markets are a tool, and like all tools they are used for precisely as long as they benefit the CCP. If they ever stop, such as in an economic collapse, they will be discarded. The CCP is prepared to go right back to rigid central planning if need be. They've done it before in other sectors after all.

This of course would suck majorly for the average Chinamen, but no government of China has ever actually cared about the people it governs so that's a moot point.

>Fascists believed that too much international trade would make the national economy dependent on international capital and therefore vulnerable to international economic sanctions. Economic self-sufficiency, known as autarky, was a major goal of most fascist governments.[42]

LITERALLY CHINA

>it's illegal to deal with Iran because amerishart propaganda says so

Huawei will invest billions in Mediatek and they will surpass Qualcomm Snapdragon

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Convince the EU and Russia to stop buying (((American))).

mediatek still uses arm processors

Jow Forumstards are seething aren't they

>implying "licenses" matter in China

If even Apple managed to surpass Qualcomm, why can't some chinks do the same?

Not really. If that's the argument then America banned mobile phone carriers from selling huawei phones for ages. It's just that this affects every huawei user outside China, not just America.

>US forcing China to become totally independent from US licensing
>Americans clap to this as if it was a good decision

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Look at the big picture. Does China have the capacity to back up the R&D of yet another big state-propelled firm now that the trade war is escalating? What if other big state-propelled firms face the same problem in the near future?

Still, they do not have a social darwinist view on market economics. They very much believe in a planned economy. It's socialism, but on methamphetamines.

More like LSD.

China survives without the US, but the opposite isn't true. If they are forced to come up with their own OS and chips, they'll do because they have the factories and cheap labor, something California doesn't. If China retaliates the Huawei ban by telling Apple to fuck off forever you'll be paying 3x the price for a featureless iphone in the next few years.

Because the UN agreed to sanctions, child.

implying

I love this level of delusion from Changs.

I think we can't predict the outcome. If it was a simple company it would be fucked, but Huawei got the government on it's back, what will happen is yet to be seen, interesting times we live on.

Asian Americans are apparently mad as fuck about this.

Why? Source?

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>If they are forced to come up with their own OS and chips, they'll do because they have the factories and cheap labor, something California doesn't.

Dude what, you go to any Home Depot in California and there is tons of cheap labor loitering by the doors waiting to hop in the bed of your truck to do your landscaping if you just speak a little spanish and flash some dinero~

Oh, wait. That has nothing to do with making an OS and chips.

that it is.

as an EE, I'm on the nonjew team, Huawei.
go chinks, make your own OS

We will see, but one thing for sure: calling them bugmen and just shitpost on Jow Forums won't help the west in long term.

>implying it's 'westerners' spamming with bugmen memes
>implying it's not collective SEA rage
You must be new to the internet, my child.

I'm seafag, I never heard about bugmen meme before I start browsing this place regularly. Actually I never heard that term used anywhere else.
>non-white newfag leave
No.

What non-important country are you coming from?

>China survives without the US, but the opposite isn't true.

Chinese agriculture can't even feed China. They net import large amounts of grains and net export smaller quantities of higher-value crops like tea and fruit. That's a bad situation to be in when your largest trading partner (the U.S.) considers you completely expendable because they can get their cheap shit manufactured in India, Malaysia, Nigeria, and anywhere else where labor is cheap.

China basically built itself into the world's factory. That's a problem when the rest of the world figures out they can buy the same stuff from elsewhere at the same time your government-owned companies are all misbehaving. When you combine that with being an agricultural importer, it would potentially cause a catastrophic famine.

>nothing about China even remotely resembles free market capitalism

What are you talking about? It's so fucking easy to start a business in China

China would have no issues with letting everyone starve though .

Starting a business !== free market capitalism, especially with all the state intervention in markets that China does.

True.

It gets worse:
scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3011248/armyworm-bite-chinas-under-pressure-food-supply-within-two

Not after the wall is finished.

>China would have no issues with letting everyone starve though .
The government might not, but the people will. You don't think you could see China balkanize if the population is literally starving? The current geographic extent of the China we know today is extremely large, given its history of regional warlords. Very possible the coastal areas that get rich off of trade with the west will want to split from Beijing. All Beijing has to offer is military force. Well, if the coastal regions ally split off and ally with their foreign trade partners, they'll have a counter to that.

I mean, this is the China that so many in the west are so afraid of:
>56 ethnic groups in one country, and they all hate each other. Held together by force from imperial Beijing gommunist gov't.
>Communist hand-me-down attitude toward religion, especially spreading religion, makes the christians and muslims in China resent the government.
>Cannot feed its people except through trade. Decades of one-child policy means it has no consumption-led growth internally. Must export goods in massive quantities not only to grow, but to merely stay where they are.
>Cannot export except by sea (belt and road is a joke), relies on US Navy to guarantee safe passage on the seas (via Bretton Woods agreement, which Donald Trump and other populists are not too concerned with keeping around).
>Despite this dependence on oceanic trade secured by the US, routinely does stuff to piss off BOTH the Democrats AND Republicans in the US. Is one of the few countries out there that both parties in the US widely consider a bad actor in need of a spanking.
>Wealthy chinese millionaires understand this, and capital flight from China into the US/Canada is massive right now. This is similar to the capital flight from Japan in the 80s, right before their economic crash.
>Rivers don't match up with chinese agricultural regions; is 10-15x as expensive to move goods by land than by water.

ayy lmao

im a chink but this is good. any other non-chink asian is probably also celebrating.

they will probably start using risc-v chips and make a linux distro for the laptops.
As for mobile they can just use AOSP.

The US is only reliant on China for cheap shit and manufacturing. If the US cuts off business to China completely, which I hope happens, then there will be a pain period but we will come out better for it. The shit that China produces isn't difficult to make. Virtually none of it was pioneered in China, whether that's the technology or the manufacturing process. If we can't manufacture in China, we'll just manufacture elsewhere.

everycountry does shady shit. just buy what you think is right.

Haha, no. I'm not supporting the Chinese government, Chinkboy. I hope you like eating rats because that's what you'll be resorting to once the US pulls business out of China.

>If the US cuts off business to China completely, which I hope happens

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So? ARM doesn't give them the license, that doesn't mean they can't just buy an ARM based CPU from another company

I'm not really sure why you think that's not possible. Do you think electronic components are difficult to manufacture? China isn't even the cheapest in labor anymore, it's just convenient because the processes are already there. If need be it can be moved to a different third-world shithole, which would happen naturally if China ever develops and stops paying people slave wages.

nigger, reality isn't starcraft, you can't spawn factories in a couple seconds like that

>China isn't even the cheapest in labor anymore
So, which country has the cheapest labor, with a high availability like China?

The closest parallel is probably India, in that the average monthly wage there is lower than China and they have similar populations. That's not to say it's the best option, but it definitely is one. The only inherent advantage China enjoys over India is that it's geographically easier to move things from eastern China to California.

Yes, you can:
>scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/2179746/foxconn-said-begin-assembling-top-end-apple-iphones-india-2019
>scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3009405/us-china-trade-war-gift-keeps-giving-vietnam

Thailand. Maybe Vietnam. If we are talking about trained labourforce, that is.

>u.s. bans all chinkshit
>chinktopia calls in all our debt
>we can't pay
>war or u.n. adjudication where china takes possession of hawaii and the whole east coast

You know that this won't happen.

>u.n. adjudication
It's hilarious you think the UN would ever side for China against a NATO country. What would really happen is that the US pulls all business and tens of millions of Chinese people starve in the streets as the encounter another famine like this one
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

mailchi.mp/zeihan/my-way-or-the-huawei

"Or at least it used to. Telecoms have evolved radically in the past half century. Even before the recent fascination of all parties with encryption, the simple fact the United States is no longer the middleman in all telecoms traffic means Echelon is more a tool of yesterday than today, much less tomorrow. Regardless, the ability to scan, read or listen for key words remains essential to America’s tech-heavy intelligence gathering networks.

Enter the Chinese, who found themselves behind the Americans by several decades, and that before considering China lacks the alliance system to create anything of Echelon’s depth or scale. Beijing’s bid to catch up is Huawei, a massive telecoms firm which produces everything from the fiber optic cables and telecoms towers of the physical internet to the phones and computers needed to connect.

While the internet is an infamously unorganized mass of connections, the modern network has central exchange points where the tributaries of information coming from all over the world become torrential flows. Such “core” systems are what Huawei is after. Control the cores and a spy is wired into everything that passes through it.

Huawei’s corporate strategy – which is to say, the strategy of China’s intelligence services – is to grant massive discounts on the installation of a network’s less critical bits on the condition that Huawei can also install and maintain the cores."

1/2

Beyond the not-so-minor technical fact that there are people beyond China who understand how the internet works and so might object to handing over all their communications on principle, the plan has an amusing political flaw. Like nearly all of China’s tech industry, Huawei is not technologically self-sufficient. It remains heavily dependent upon tech imports from none other than the United States. Which is the second reason why I’ve never taken the Huawei talk all that seriously: The Chinese not only expect the world to pay them to monitor global communications, they expect the Americans to enable the scheme.

At first the Americans didn’t take the Huawei plan all that seriously, mostly because it was a seriously stupid plan. Then Huawei had some success using heavy subsidies to convince some countries to install their gear. That generated a diplomatic reaction in Washington. American bureaucrats started warning countries not simply of the dangers they seemed willingly oblivious to, but that any country who used Huawei in their cores could kiss any intelligence sharing with the Americans good-bye.

That was enough to shut Huawei out of New Zealand and Australia outright. (The Brits got cute and accepted Huawei gear for their system’s edges, but not their cores, a smug near-miss which undoubtedly infuriated the Chinese to no end.)

2/2

Where is part 2?

no what would really happen is china would go to war with us and totally stomp us because they're equal on millitary tech, have more manpower and are far more ruthless

"But three things have changed that have sparked stronger action out of the Americans.

First, the transition from fourth- to fifth-generation cellular technology blurs the line between core and non-core systems. Huawei penetration into any part of a cellular system now generates complications and vulnerabilities.

Second, despite the risk of communications exposure, enough countries have decided to proceed with Chinese equipment that the Americans can no longer just let it roll. In particular, China’s targeting of Five Eyes members – most notably Canada – has snapped the Americans to attention.

Third, after seventy years of expressly keeping economic and strategic issues separate in American foreign policy, a more standard intermingling is now occurring – and that puts everything Chinese in the Americans’ crosshairs.

Bilateral trade talks with China more or less collapsed last week. I can’t say I’m shocked. At the talks' onset the Americans laid out a series of non-negotiable demands including an end to cybertheft, an end to forced tech transfer, an end to the hyper-subsidization of Chinese industry, an end to functional prohibitions on American firms’ access to the Chinese market, granting the Americans the right to impose any investigation at any time on any issue without any consultation complete with the ability to impose any desired punishment on any Chinese economic sector."