FUCK YOU

>Go drink some bleach, shit for brains.

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the reason modern software is slow is because consumers buy high end computers

Install gentoo

>been learning to program in Java and python
>9 months in
>read this thread

h-heh this doesn't make me feel bad at all

>rust

>C++/Rust

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I write only Javascript, sir.

You're doing something useful with your time, why would it make you feel bad that some autist disapproves?

C# and Java don't eat a lot of memory unless you're doing something seriously wrong.

Javascript for Desktop apps on the other hand...

many a little makes a mickle

I only use C, Haskell, Lisp (GNU's guile and elisp), GNU R and GNU Octave

Java backend and .NET frontend is best stable combo you dumb fuck. Not my problem that you are poor.

>.net
>frontend

you think its a coincidence? just buy new hardware, goy, 8-core is about to become mandatory

Don't worry about it learning the underlying concepts is more important than learning any one language. Once you're comfortable it shouldn't be hard to transition to c/c++ if you decide you want to

>high end
>8gb being a lot
poorfag get out

>intel employees

pay? serious question: name 5 pieces of software you bought.

That's a cool wojak picture. Can I save it?

Hello to the world of suckless and minimalism,
enjoy your stay in a world when even the kernel is too bloated for some of us and 32mb of ram is good enough as long as you can stop your facebook/twitter/youtube addiction

>Hello
i meant welcome
>kernel
the linux kernel
I just had to fuck something up, hadn't i

everything that includes adds aka everything that's slow
(not op btw)

>implying free software(tm) has anything to do with price

Why so mad mr poorfag? Get a job.

correct

coolzies, though im strictly interested in what OP answer might be.

>demand drives supply
Imagine being this illiterate when it comes to economics.

Guys stop bumping this fucking bait thread

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>update scheduler running in the background
spotted the wintoddler

do you literally not have a single ounce of computer literacy ?

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>posting weirdo asian cartoon shit

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Imagine this argument in the 90's complaining about new languages being too much for muh 128mb of RAM

go ahead

Thank you very much. Do you mind if I share it as well?

Java is fine. The jvm plays a bit loose with memory, but it's fast as fuck and not horrendously bloated if you're not being retarded.
Python's performance envelope is totally irredeemable though.

>He doesn't know that WPF is the best frontend to ever exist.
It's incredible. Shame about the Windows only limitation though.

I'm not a programmer. I am a consumer. I have 16gb of RAM. It's not exactly expensive. Maybe try getting a job, instead of expecting everyone else to work around the fact that you're a NEET.

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lol fuck off, i have an i7 8750, gtx 1060 and 8gb ddr4 ram. AAA video games run just fine on high with my 8gigs of ram so dont fucking tell me your note taking app and chat app and whatever the fuck electron based shit you have cant deal with 8gb.

>high end computer
>8GB of RAM
Maybe a decade ago.

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Not him, but maybe you shouldn't use Windows. pic related is with GIMP open, as well as 5 tabs on my browser

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This guy again: Here's Waterfox with 55 Jow Forums tabs open, with auto refresh on. This is on Linux Mint, which most people would consider bloated.

It's not your ram. It's your OS.

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>rust
t.ranny

You people are terrible, almost as bad as your horrible language. Why are you idiots so incompetent?

I saw c++ codebase where everything is allocated in the heap (even a vec2). People who don't care will do a mess anyway, i think it's more a cultural problem

This guy again: This is my RAM usage with10 youtube videos running along with 10 twitch streams (including the chats). I waited for every page to finish loading before starting a new tab., but let the videos play. Again, on one of the most bloated Linux Distros. Again, this was on Waterfox.

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this is how every user should be

Yeah, that's gonna be a "based" from me.

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YOU FUCKING IDIOTS THE SOLUTION IS NOT TO BUY BETTER HARDWARE

Go away rust shill.

Unironically this. The white man should be erased from recorded history

this, zoomers will never learn.

I'm not an idiot. If you see what I'm showing you, you'll see that not even 10 twitch streams and 10 youtube videos uses more than 5GB of RAM. 8GB is more than enough if you aren't using Wangblows.

8GB is 7GB too much

>streams
>have to buffer and shit
maybe just 6GB too much

ok sorry i actually read your message now
it's 3GB too much

>rust
huehuehue

Unless you use Windows. Then, according to OP, 8GB isn't enough just to peruse the web.

>i dont pay you to be convenient
You don't pay me at all.
I write electron apps and I make money unlike half the C/C++ people and Rust is pure onions.

>trying to slip rust just like that
shills, everyone

only 1gb on my machine

> i am a consumer and i dont give a single shit about your convenience as a programmer

lmao, my time is far more valuable than your memory, and you agree with me because every java/electron app has a garbage c/c++ alternative that never gets updated or is fundamentally lacking in features because a programmer is far less productive in those languages

slit your wrists you fucking retard

8gb is perfetcly fine.

I bet OP is one of those retards with 200 porn tabs open in chrome and he complains when photoshop opens slowly
same with developers who have 5 different jetbrains ides open + vscode + 50 chrome tabs + visual studio and they complain that they need 64g of ram to write text

god I just fucking despise stupid people.

>my CPU time
I write backend software in Java. You can't even tell it's the API is implemented in Java. Odds are you don't even know there's an API.

based and redpilled

>hardware is cheap
>developer time is expensive

stop being a retard

>write code in cobol
>compile it to fast C code with gnucobol

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>java/electron apps being good.

you made me laugh there faggot. its the exact opposite. games, photoshop, CAD you name it anything worth shit are all written in c++.

>java/typescript artisan
>time valuable

those are mutually exclusive webdog user.

>hardware is cheap
then buy new hardware for me cuz i sure as fuck dont see this cheapness you are talking about

Here: ebay.com/itm/Nanya-4GB-NT4GC64B8HG0NF-CG-PC3-10600-Non-ECC-Ram-from-Dell-optiplex-sff-390/323787161081

Or is 15 dollars "expensive?"

based
the only usecase of slow languages is programmer stupidity
if you can't understand template metaprogramming or lockfree programming, you shouldn't be making software

Go ahead and disable javascript then, why the fuck do I care.

>software is bloated
>just buy better hardware guise
The goyim is hard in this thread.
It sure as hell isn't cheap if you include everybody that uses your shit, then again you probably don't make anything worth using.

>Being this poor
Get with the times, grandpa

Java and Python are fine for a lot of use cases. In any case, programming languages are just tools. You've been working with two object-oriented ones for quite a few months, so it shouldn't be too hard to pick up another object-oriented one if/when you feel the need.

Download more ram then, retard.

It is a great solution

your web browsers were made in C++. and, as you can see, they are ABSOLUTE SHIT.

>i am a consumer
Then adapt to the modern world and go buy more ram, faggot.

>thinking demand doesn’t drive supply
Imagine being this illiterate when it comes to economics.

creating demand with inefficiency == profit

learn Go. not joking.
tour.golang.org
golang-book.com

>i am a consumer
There's yr problem right there.

Keynes is a fag and so are you

werks on my machine

There was an interesting link related to this topic that someone posted here on pol of all places
>the-adam.com/adam/rantrave/computers.html

stop installing so much shit running in the background open chrome 100 tabs at the same time faggot

niggy, I fucking develop all my god damn shit on a fucking raspberry pi in Python
your machine is slow because you're retarded

you don't write those programs in c++ because its a good language, you do it because its necessary to get the best bang/buck on performance

I don't know how you even came up with that response you brain dead nog

>>b-b-b-but c# and java and python are more conveni
Fun fact you can write any super language and even get more benefits out of it then java or C# and have it run ultra fast after compiling.
This is the beauty of compilation.
Fuck you can make your programming far more convenient like having variables not needing declaration or use them in circular dependencies and have the compiler sort this shit out.

And it still will run as fast as C++ after compilation only it will require the programmer compile this on some beastly workstation.

Java and C# are meme crap to vendor lock people into the JVM so that oracle can demand you give oracle more money or you are "stealing java" and get lawsuits.

No one ever needs garbage collection if you are to stupid to turn of the lights after you leave the room you might think garbage collection is a good thing.

Simply create first class citizen variables in the language who support auto expansion like strings etc without the need to import more libraries to your C++ program.

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Ok, then you are prepared to pay 5x the price for the program because it takes 5x the time to write and maintain, right?