Want help? >State the budget & CURRENCY >List your uses e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors include purpose & graphics pairing >NO Speccy or "bottleneck checkers"
>Avoid buying new CPU/GPU unless there is a good sale as Computex is in a few days
CPUs based on current prices >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming >R3 2200G - Light 30-60fps gaming(dGPU optional). 2400G if you want a CPU which can last into a GPU upgrade >R5 2600/X - Good 60fps+ gaming & multithreaded use >9700k - Wait for new patched benchmarks >R7 2700/X - Best value high-end CPU on a non-HEDT platform >Threadripper - HEDT
>BE AWARE that Microsoft, Apple, and others recommend disabling hyperthreading on Intel CPUs. Be aware that Intel tried to bribe researchers to delay releasing the vulnerability by an extra 6 months so they could do another stock sell off and release you scam 10th gen CPUs with HT.
RAM >NEVER use only a single stick >8GB - very light use, and/or if you don't mind closing programs regularly >16GB - standard amount. If you have to ask if you need more, you don't >CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2800MHz+ is ideal. Check "more" for true latency formula
Graphics cards based on current pricing: 1080p >RX 570/580 - value. >1660 - Slightly better perf for more demanding games on high/maxed 60fps+; > 1660Ti / used 1070 / Vega56 - higher framerates 1440p (WQHD) >used 1070Ti / Vega - 60-120fps+ in most games on high/maxed >2070 Overclocked or Radeon VII - Worth considering >2080Ti - higher framerates 2160p (4k) >Radeon VII - weaker than 2080ti >RTX 2080Ti - good, but poor value.
Other >Consider a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & HDD >M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard >PLAN BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
Latest Ryzen 3000 news, if correct, is that reviewers are already being sent samples of the R5 3600. It's looking like release might actually be sooner than 7/7.
Ryan Adams
would be godlike if they dropped it next month
Samuel Robinson
ok folks, I wanna address the manchildren in the room
wtf is novidya super and oh God in Heavens Above why do I hear amd wanna get a spot on E3
that's good really. there's a fad amongst some communities they gotta get rid of their intlels
Henry Lee
Thinking about "upgrading" from a 1700/Vega 64 to a 3400G and either 75W Navi or 1650.
Don't judge my meme build.
Sebastian Ward
wait for 1650ti
Brayden Gonzalez
v64 is a beast might consider water cooling it get a 3700x and keep the v64
navi is a Vega tweak anyway
Grayson Young
I swapped my motherboard and realized that I missed one screw and standoff (just below the I/O shield, next to graphics card). All other motherboard screws are in, including all corners. Do I even bother pulling apart everything for one screw and standoff? My instinct tells me no, but I've heard people waffle on about warping the motherboard after time.
Jordan Young
>That pic It's funny but most professions in the world look complicated to the laymen. But once you know there isn't much to it.
Jack Russell
but if it exceeds 75W, which it probably will considering the 1650 is 12nm, I may as well go with a 1660TI or the Navi equivalent
Brody Allen
Has monitor technology changed much in the last 5 or so years?
I'm running a Dell U2312HM at the moment and spotted a few on sale for cheap so was thinking of getting another and going dual screen.
Worth a bit of beer money or just save for something new?
will gpu prices drop with new releases in july or just go up from this point
Julian Myers
Looks like they'll go up if the rumors of AMD price-matching Nvidia instead of undercutting them like usual are true.
Josiah Barnes
>why do I hear amd wanna get a spot on E3 AMD has done an E3 show many years. Day9 hosted it once. It's actually not THAT bad.
>just WAIT for a card that's barely as good as the RX 570 but costs $60 more Wat. You mean what you have is higher than your needs and you want a smaller and lower power PC? 2600+1660Ti makes more sense. And sell what you have. The 1700 is very low power. Why don't you just undervolt the Vega 64? There is one user who has his at 156 watt (compared to the ~130 of the 1660Ti) and it outperforms the 1070 still.
Current sales might be the best prices for many months.
Leo Cooper
I am undervolting it, just saying that's what I need to do to make it stable
Jeremiah Nelson
Is it going to warp my board?
All the cables are in and tidied up. I have to rip it apart for one screw?
literally buy a better psu all you have is good, no need for a downgrade
Blake Johnson
Hi guys, what in your opinion is the best RAM for Ryzen 2600 + AsRock B450M Pro4 which will cost ~100-150$?
I want to buy two 8GB sticks and have 16GB for ~100$, but I fail miserably to recognize which of them is dual-rank and which uses d/c/b-die modules. It's painful to google it every time, so if anyone has experience with these RAMs, please give me a tip.
Luis Moore
750W SFX PSUs are hard to come by. Though now that you mentioned that, some finally popped up on newegg.
Ryan Wright
>literally buy a better psu what about carbon footprint though
Mason Jackson
>Another mITX fag bound by the constraints of their case Lol. Meanwhile even people using mini mATX cases don't have to take any of the bullshit dimensions into consideration when it comes to basic shit like getting a better PSU.
Both come to 129USD for me, so I'd rather just buy the actual best between the two.
Carson Russell
I've had great experience from gigabyte. Never tried powercolor but I hear they're shitty apart from making SFF memes like the Vega 56 Nano.
Angel Morris
Just brand. Maybe cooling capability. I personally would take Power color over Gigashit any day of the week. Gigabyte is know for using really cheap caps and prone to coil whine.
Eli Cox
purpose-built it for deployment because it's so easy to move around
paid off
Jason Stewart
powercolor is trash tier gigabyte is poorfag tier
get the one with better cooling, higher clocks
it's not rocket science
Oliver Parker
Both of those are bad models. You should get a factory overclocked one that's at least 1.2GHz. They have better coolers and quality overall.
600W should be fine. I have a 600W with my 1600X and Vega56 and it doesn't go over 300W total consumption.
Ryan Walker
>You should get a factory overclocked one that's at least 1.2GHz they are both 1250niggahertz did u even open the links?
Lucas Bailey
Get the Powercolor Devil RX 570 for $140 instead. Better cooler and faster clocks out of the box
Running 650W already and it cuts power sometimes (when I'm running SSAA or high resolutions), though lately I've been wondering if it could be heat.
Though I've noticed it throttling when it gets hot before.
Adrian Perry
>Need something mobile >Builds a meme PC with power delivery and heat issues >Laptops exist >Docking stations for said laptops exist Waste of money
Parker Brown
Oh hey, I have that monitor. Does it really have that low input lag? I never noticed.
Luis Ramirez
Even with a docking station and eGPU, high-end laptops will waste more money in the long run.
Hell, especially with an eGPU.
Oliver Morris
>gigabyte is poorfag tier What's wrong with this though, it works just as good Do I really need the casing of a stationary object I'll put in a bigger case to be made out of styled metal? Just put plastic on that shit, I don't care as long as it calculates well
The PCB can have cheap memory, capacitors, and etc.
I know MSI is especially bad for it. The Gigabyte GPU I had that was fantastic was an Aorus, so it's possible it wasn't built as cheap as a vanilla Gigabyte.
Jonathan Cook
>What's wrong with this though, it works just as good just as good as what? but i meant it's a stepup from powercolor as a brand in general
>nigger rambling yes ofc, until your fans fail because they're made of garbage tier plastic and also: Anyways listen to this user: This looks much better than either
Elijah Jackson
I meant get one that's at least 1280MHz. Red Devil for $140 is a steal even though it's only 4Gb.
I'll assume you already own the GPU, if not, don't buy MSI GPUs.
Otherwise it's pretty damn cost-effective.
Justin Miller
looks awful faggot
Caleb Ward
>implying fans fail because of the plastic used If it reaches the advertised performance, I don't mind. >capacitors So longevity?
Anthony Ross
i plan on ocing, and what’s wrong with msi gpus? It’s quiet.
w-why
Jack Sanders
Cheap quality. The one I had performed like shit in benchmarks compared to other GPUs of the same model.
Eli Brooks
It's why your job buys it for you if you're truly doing valuable work. As it is, you built an expensive paper weight because your memeITX isn't even functioning properly. Honestly it's all probably because your bought into that bullshit DAN case. Your shit is overheating because the case doesn't allow for proper cooling. Your shit is shutting off because you cant put a proper normal ATX power supply in there to feed it all.
Meanwhile a Cooler Master Elite 130 is an mITX case that supports full sized ATX power supplies, large GPUs that get pull in air directly from the outside, and has a small footprint. It even has a 5.25" bay if that's what tickles your fancy
Zachary Bailey
>Cooler Master Elite 130 I had a cube before, Silverstone SG13.
With an ATX PSU, the CPU struggled to stay cool. Getting the SFX adapter for it helped a lot, but the A4 is a hell of a lot easier on it.
Xavier Howard
>implying fans fail because of the plastic used that's the #1 cause of failure yes, they bend bc it's cheap plastic
The sapphires used to have especially shit plastic fans with a 50% failure rate after 2y
>pcpartpicker.com/list/FvcKzY Holy fuck $1400 for a 2600+1660Ti build is retarded. Monitor is TN. Sound card is a complete waste of money. PSU is twice what you should be spending on a midrange build. Cooler is loud and shit. >th-thoughts you're gay
Thoughts on this monitor? Sticking with 1080p as I've used higher resolutions before and they've had compatibility issues with some programs.
Don't care about exceeding 75hz either. or 60 for that matter
Blake Thomas
nice job retard
Lucas Cook
noctua nh L9i
Alexander Long
>cooler is loud and shit Give me a recommendation >psu is twice what you should be paying for Alright >soundcard is a complete waste of money Alright >2600+1660ti is retard for a $1400 build Ryzen 3000 is right across the corner you. And whats wrong the video card?
Joshua Phillips
the PSU is also pretty relevant when it's blocking airflow
Jack Butler
Honestly that cooler is what's holding you back. Even on the noctua site it says that cooler is only good for 65w tdp. I know the 1700 is 65w, but you're right on the edge. I doubt that cooler is designed for a CPU under 100% load for any length of time. The stock AMD cooler is better than that Noctua. Hell you can usually do a mild OC with the stock AMD cooler It shouldn't be the make or break point for hitting thermal throttle though. The ATX supply may raise temps by a few degrees, but you shouldn't be on the cusp of thermal throttle due to slightly restricted air flow.
Gavin Garcia
The stock cooler doesn't fit with an ATX PSU. Again, the PSU sits directly above the CPU.
The low-profile noctua cooler is one of the only ones low enough to work with it.
Anthony Stewart
Perfect example of an AiO being needed
Nicholas Flores
>Give me a recommendation Same one in that other build. Scythe Mugen 5 or Ninja 5. Put on Arctic 120mm PWM fans if you want something more quiet. Freezer 33 or PureRock for something cheaper.
Why would you use an ATX PSU in a SFF case? Even if the SFF case fits a full AT PSU, it's better to use SFX with an ATX to SFX bracket so you have more room inside for better airflow and capable management.
Adrian Bailey
what's the best way to get a win 10 key? is 30 bucks at Kinguin legit?
Gavin Peterson
How relevant are quad-cores in games yet?
I know strategy games seem to be optimized for more than 4 threads now, but is there really a big loss in going with a Ryzen 3 / Core i3?
Kayden Wright
whoever I was replying to earlier recommended getting one for the wattage, just saying the size was a problem.
Jason Jenkins
Sign up for a CS course at any uni, grab ALL the MS keys off MSDNAA/Dreamspark/whatever-it's-called-now. t. knower
Your big loss is future proofing. Games have started to move away from 4c/4t so you'll be buying a CPU that's already being walked away from. Not the best move really. Though atleast you can upgrade with ryzen thanks to socket. I'm planning on a light upgrade from my i5-4400 4c/4t to i7-4790 4c/8t. If you can consider that. It's really cost effective. Unless you don't have a pc. But look for a used pc your mobo can take that's got 8 threads
Jayden Bell
Yay. But I hope your buying used at a really low price for CPU. >what's the best way to get a win 10 key? is 30 bucks at Kinguin legit? Download win10 free off MS website then download free activation software.
Gavin Hill
>Yay. But I hope your buying used at a really low price for CPU.
the price for it is 130$, is it good? the store allegedly made a 90$ discount on it
>Has monitor technology changed much in the last 5 or so years? yeah, >60hz refresh rate got popular lately
Adrian Sullivan
I have a Logitech M570. Great for general purpose browsing
Thomas Adams
Get a Vega56 or Just Wait(tm) for Navi? I have a 1080p 144Hz monitor. No nvidia because muh freesync
Christopher Hernandez
I want to build an emulator machine for current consoles (mostly switch) but I'm unsure if a ryzen 2700x is overkill. Considering most only use at most 3 cores would a 2600x be the better choice? Also, does it matter if the GPU I choose is a Vega 56 or a 1660 ti for this purpose?
Tyler Hill
Is the 2070 8gb going to bottle neck with a Ryzen 5 1600?
Nicholas Allen
Would it be better to build a middle to low tier PC and start upgrading it from there? I live in a shitty third world country so parts are more expensive here.
Ayden Jackson
If components are more expensive for you then getting good materials in the first place is even more important, would you rather build something that will last you 1 year or something that might last you 4 or even 5 down the line before you feel the need to upgrade
Jackson Hall
Great for browsing, bad for quick movements
Jonathan Gray
You should buy the Red Dragon. I have a Gigabyte RX570 4GB, and the cooler is fucking garbage.
Isaiah Jenkins
>Great for browsing Isn't the lack of a scroll wheel an inconvenience?
Dominic Morales
>Gain: 28dBi
Is this actually possible with an antenna such as this?
The internet connection is arguably the most important part of my upcoming SFF build (place where i'll deploy it lies still within the carriers' LTE coverage area but not exactly right smack in the middle) so i don't want it to get fucked up by a worthless junk antenna
is the faster clock speed worth the extra 10 bucks? I'd be using this with a Ryzen 3 2200G
Ayden Diaz
Yes. Get an 8700k. You want the highest single core performance possible so Intel is a better choice.
James Taylor
>the price for it is 130$, is it good? the store allegedly made a 90$ discount on it Well they were over $200 on release. They're practically giving it away to you at that price (taking a loss). It's brand new so go for it.
Joshua Allen
It's not just the clock, but the cooler. The cooler is far better. Larger overall heatsink and 3 fans
Adrian Carter
>Chieftec CI-01B-OP or Cooler Master Elite 130
for a mitx build that's going to be tortured by HDDs and blender rendering and a forest (loads of dust) and a cat. I'm expecting to max the available 3.5" HDD space.
If you're at 4K, basic answer is no, but if you're below that and not planning to upgrade to Zen2 I'd get a cheaper graphics card. If you are planning to get Zen2, wait for benchmarks to make sure it's good at gaming before buying the 2070
Levi Price
How do I learn more about monitors? I only know the basics, where can I read about the stuff I should know about them?
And what I've found is also true is that the other person (not even necessarily a girl) will still give you a confused look and tell you that it's too complicated and ask you to simplify it for them
Evan Williams
No, not really. I've been fishing for a new monitor for about 8 years now, and what's available isn't much different from the monitor I have right now.
There's more >60hz monitors, and bigger monitors are slightly cheaper than they used to be, but all the same problems exist and the prices have barely changed.
Dylan Nguyen
Right now I am sitting on a i5 4690k + an r9 290. There are several games that just stutter too much for me to enjoy playing (Nioh, Witcher 3, etc) in 1080. I know the GPU is the main issue in these cases, but is it a waste to just upgrade the GPU? Am I better off just building a new machine?
Carson Wright
that's because LCD is trash technology
Josiah Russell
>There are several games that just stutter too much for me to enjoy playing (Nioh, Witcher 3, etc) in 1080 how do they stutter? I get 40fps on Ultra 1440p on a 280x at stock
It has to be CPU bottleneck (4t)
Jaxson Sanders
Just inconsistent framerates with decent visuals. 30 FPS is pretty bad on my eyes, but I could do it if it were at least stable. Nioh though seems to be not the best port in the world. I would prefer 60.
Daniel Peterson
build a new machine when upgrading your CPU or GPU requires a new motherboard and it's been more than three years since you last upgraded your machine.
The vast majority of games are hampered by the GPU's performance and not the CPU, and GPU's tend to be much more compatibile with older motherboards than CPU's are - intel for example like to force a motherboard upgrade with every new CPU they put out.
A 4690K and 290 are not that bad, I have a 3570K and gtx 660 and still played witcher 3 with 30fps. Part of the problem for you is probably that witcher is a gimpworks title and doesn't like AMD hardware.
Joseph Wilson
Hello Jow Forums, first time builder here trying to build a pc budget around a 1000€ in euroland. Suggest me build with decent performance and efficiency but the most important thing is that most parts must have rgb in it. I really love rgb lights
