Is there actually any evidence against Huawei or is it all politics?

well they have to really, unless they want to intentionally break US law and get thrown in jail and sanctioned.

>They're spying on us, this is a national security issue!
>Oh but if China bends over on a trade deal I'll let them do business

Clear as day it's made up bullshit.

Your shilling won't work now. The whole board will be AMD vs Intel for at least a week.

Vodafone finds two different backdoors and Huawei said "oh those were both mistakes!"

So it's not about backdoors then? Which is it?

We are currently holding hostage the daughter of the CEO
Of course our media and plebs don't describe it as that, it's nebulous 'violating sanctions' charges but it's essentially hostage taking.

This is politics and fall out from the Snowden leaks. Cisco, Jupiter and every other 5 Eyes Alliance manufacturer lamented how NSA shenanigans caused them to lose business to Huawei so what we are seeing is a """correction""". What the 5 Eyes Alliance doesn't want, is China having total monopoly over Africa/Asia etc telecom hardware because that means it's just that harder for them to spy when they can simply backdoor at source in US and A before shipment to Nigeria or wherever else they want to spy.

Iran is sanctioned by America, not China.

A combination of things which make them a corporation non-grata

>Muh Iran
retard

Exporting US technology in contravention of our oppressive government's sanctions is easily enough to ban a company. But I thought that was ZTE.

source?

The United States determines which countries are allowed to do business with its citizens, corporate and personal, much like every other country.

Underrated

>Vodafone asked Huawei to remove backdoors in home internet routers in 2011 and received assurances from the supplier that the issues were fixed, but further testing revealed that the security vulnerabilities remained, the documents show.
bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-30/vodafone-found-hidden-backdoors-in-huawei-equipment

fair. but they should at least be up front about the rational and not make false accusations as justification.

China is a hostile entity to its people and abroad much like the (((usa))) so its less that people are unwarrentedly untrustworthy of huawei as people already dont trust our own brands but then run into the issue of child labor camps and cheap products that cut corners. It's not really a secret that a chinese company would have this kind of reputation. It's not like they'd have much of a choice. the PRoC would btfo them if they refused to put in their backdoors

Everything is backdoored.
Crypto standards? Oops suspicious elliptic curves revealed. NSA members sitting directly on the IETF board.

CPUs? Oh look the remote management engine. Trust us nobody can have access. Trust.

Telecom equipment? Your order of 5,000 relays on this freighter ship was misdirected to lawless seas in Somalia where it was met by a team of glow in the darks to open the boxes and install backdoors (Snowden docs)

Cellphones? We make sure you only use failed standards we can decrypt and discourage/black PR any use of Signal or other such apps. We also got our national security friend Zuckerberg to purchase WhatsApp and make sure it has access to your conversations

Digital security relies on trust. That you trust the party involved. Not evidence. Because you cant find all leaks, you cant test all updates and many things are vulnerable due to the functions it serves.
And all countries spy to the extens they are legally allowed to do. So you only have to look up the Chinese law.

They are not using qualcomm doc botnet, and using their own custom Telecom tech.

They got banned for not complying with NSA and FBI regulations. So basically politics.

>ignoring all the potential buffer overflows from their unsafe mem function usage

Should be okay in the USA then, seeing how basically unlimited spying on everyone is a thing even for companies on top of the government.

> Not evidence.
No, that actually still matters. If there are exploits and security flaws, they have to be published and confirmed, else it's probably just bullshit.

You dont want to rely on the infrastructure of a hostile country that is known for stealing economic data. And might be able to down your entire internet infrastructure in case of a conflict.

Thats why Ciswo backdoors are less problematic than chink backdoors.

It's right here, goyim.

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>debunked bloom(((((((((berg)))))) hitpiece
off yourself kike

> Thats why Ciswo backdoors are less problematic than chink backdoors.
What, because Cisco and everyone who has access to these backdoor surely keeps them safe from nations and they surely never get discovered independently either?

Putting backdoors into internet infrastructure itself is a major danger. If you were actually doing that, it'd be highly problematic.

Neither - it's brinkamanship attempting to ensure economic hegemony. Its all about the US being unable to compete fairly

supposedly Huawei was working with company's they partially owned to get equipment into Iran. Specifically I think a company called skycom was the one they focused on, finding out that high level huawei executives worked at both firms at the same time, and also bank accounts used for both company's were controlled by the same person.

As for espionage its hard to pin back doors down as negligence or espionage, I'd prefer to focus on Huawei's IP theft over the years.

In Canada, Huawei pretty much destroyed Nortel by hacking their computers and coming up with identical performing hardware and undercutting them.

The Americans wouldn't be holding a trial if they didn't have evidence they could use in one, but we won't know what that evidence is until the trial is actually held

No country is competing 'fairly', all of them are involved in industrial espionage since forever and various corruption to ensure their national industries are protected like the US/EU banning Huawei.

I wouldn't believe the evidence, it would all be stolen emails that some agent at the CIA typed up himself. Also China should be allowed to work with Iran all they want, sanctions are stupid throwbacks to the 1960s cold war.
This is just various superpowers playing power games with each other for total economic dominance over each other

CSIS did the same thing to Huawei though, hacking them and then disrupting their technology in Egypt and other countries during various coups. Every country is guilty on doing industrial espionage just we like to think our own country isn't doing that and we are 'above' such things.

There's no trial. It's an order of hold ie: hostage taking. Whenever the US/China sign a trade deal, watch the charges miraculously disappear.

its chinas spy agencies shitphone

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

There is absolutely no evidence, as if Google doesn't spy on everyone anyway, it's a political tech war

both

This. Why are people even still claiming it's for national security? Are they ignorant or do they glow in the dark?

There will be a trial, princess chang got busted circumventing sanctions and the DoJ, by design, doesn't have to give a single fuck what the president says when they decide to prosecute.

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There probably is but it's classified. Fundamentally it doesn't matter. Any Chinese company can be compelled by the communist party to install backdoors.

Europeans *should* use their own fucking suppliers.

From what I've read, the security issue with Huawei isn't so much about evidence. It's about the fact that the Chinese government has laws requiring any company to comply with basically all government requests, at any time, in the interests of the country. They are a dictatorship, after all. So even if Huawei is not spying currently, the CPC (Communist Party of China) could require them to at some point down the road.

As for the Google thing - Google did not willingly decide to stop supplying Google Play Services to Huawei. They are simply complying with Trump's executive order which effectively bans Huawei from being able to buy anything from any US company, without government approval. This might be an extreme measure from Trump and maybe it is unwarranted - it's perfectly fine to say "we don't want to use your products in our infrastructure due to security concerns", but then to say "you can't buy anything from US companies, effectively ruining your smartphone business which depends on those parts and software" is a much bigger step.

Anyway, another interesting thing is that back in January, the US brought indictments against Huawei. One thing they alleged Huawei of doing was trying to steal trade secrets, specifically by photographing and trying to steal some technology T-Mobile. Source: theguardian.com/technology/2019/jan/29/huawei-criminal-indictments-us-china

Also this story here is interesting: techcrunch.com/2019/05/17/trump-huawei-networking-war/
It links to this Twitter thread: twitter.com/adamscrabble/status/1129080020012552193
Which is also interesting, and also alleges that Huawei is trying to steal trade secrets and IP.

They stole all their tech from Nortel to begin with. Now you think it's safe to let them build 5G backbone for entire countries around the globe? You do realize what Huawei literally translates to in Chinese right?

Yeah, exactly. And that's why I don't think I will ever buy a Huawei phone. I guess you could say you shouldn't buy a OnePlus phone either. Although BBK, their parent, is a smaller company than Huawei, but still a pretty big company, and yes, ANY company in China can potentially be compelled to do whatever the communist government wants.

Maybe we just shouldn't do any business with dictatorships, to be honest. It's not worth the risk. Democracies can generally be trusted to have a certain level of transparency, but dictatorships control the entire flow of information in their countries, and they necessarily have to engage in shady shit in order to retain their power.

Then again I guess this effectively means not building anything in China either, when practically everything these days is.

just a your average scapegoat, I really don't like US lately.

what you reap is what you sow.

>They stole all their tech from Nortel to begin with
source. Some butthurt failed CEO's allegations are not source.
Show me investigations and results.

also, which law is that?

>there is no rule of law in China
>companies in China must abide the law!
pick one

Based China building the digital wall.

It's not a scapegoat. The Chinese government can literally compel any Chinese company to do whatever the government wants, including spying if that's what they want.

Also Huawei has been found engaging in shady shit before. They tried to steal a phone testing robot from T-Mobile so they could basically copy its design. According to US prosecutors, Huawei even had a "bonus programme to reward employees who stole confidential info from competitors". Source: bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47040685

I am British and I am not enamoured with the US on everything. But China is shady as FUCK. Maybe the US is a bit harsh to ban all US companies from even selling their parts to Huawei, thus completely destroying Huawei's current smartphone business (even for phones they're selling in China or around the world, of course). But I think the US is probably right to not want Huawei infrastructure in their 5G networks, if they do believe it is a credible security risk.

I've read in multiple news stories that the Chinese government can basically make any company do whatever they want. It is a dictatorship, remember.

>I've read in multiple news stories that the Chinese government can basically make any company do whatever they want. It is a dictatorship, remember.
Just like American government.
So you are admitting that whether that law exists or not, you want to ban successful Chinese companies with no cause.

inb4
>IP thefts
If they had proofs they could've sued Huawei and got them banned from any market outside of China instead of doing this blacklisting shit

Why?

Because they have no proof, just "allegations."

basically you're not allowed to form a competing business against US corporations without big daddy gov coming in to set the ground rules first. Unlike Japanese or Korean companies that have no choice in the matter, china said fuck that. Its sad how much power US has on the world stage. US used to have sway over china before CCP took over; the event known in US politics as 'the loss of China'. In a sense US is just going back and finishing what it started with respect to controlling the Chinese economy.

After the Russian Kool aid Jow Forums users are now drinking the Chinese Kool aid..

Really makes you think

What would Chinese kool-aid taste like? Lo mein?

Politics

stay mad sandnigger

and pay for their own defense, spineless shitters

I should have added "what's next, the Saudi Kool aid" to avoid replies like yours

>American education
That's why you have guys have to do two years of general education in college because your high school education is basically non-existent.

>If they had proofs they could've sued Huawei and got them banned from any market outside of China
That's exactly what they are doing, retard.
Except of course you don't sue thieves, you indict them.

It's politics. Trump even said he's willing to overlook Huawei's 'past discretions' if it enables a suitable trade agreement. It's all about the $$$$
youtu.be/djh3bh8YObc?t=114

>getting news from trevor noah

and your college degree is worthless outside your own country, streetshitter

>The Chinese government can literally compel any Chinese company to do whatever the government wants, including spying if that's what they want.
Really not sure if you're talking about the US or China here. It's just a dog fight between two giants that don't give a shit about their citizens but only about their own pockets.

>need evidence

evidence that they steal shit or that they are spying? its both political and the truth. I don't think we need any evidence to both of that to believe its true. just take a look at how china operates as it is now, they are known thieves and copycats, that shit is embraced in china.

Pretty sure it has to do with the trade war and not whatever you seem to have made up? You should probably post what you're talking about in the OP and not just pick up a conversation halfway through.

Since you're not going to even be polite...

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speak english you stupid nigger

Everything Huawei and China does
America and all their tech companies did tenfold

they cant escape paying royalties to huawei cause practicly they made 5g a reality
asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/5G-networks/China-in-pole-position-for-5G-era-with-a-third-of-key-patents

and its a lot of money involved on building the next gen backbone and usa doesnt want for china to get all the money
which is why europe hasnt banned huawei and the five eyes became four eyes considering that uk chose also huawei

> I don't think we need any evidence to both of that to believe its true

> I don't think we need any evidence [to what we] believe [is] true

It's politics, but China played stupid games and won a stupid prize. Had they exercised some discretion like every other nation does when they do the exact same thing instead of thinking stupid roundeyes never stop China grow rarger they wouldn't be in this position.

>kikeberg
Remember all the Chinese spying equipment that was supposedly implanted by supermicro at the source?

politics + protectionism.. they did the same thing to Japan in the 80s

checkpointasia.net/today-the-us-is-waging-a-war-on-huawei-in-1987-it-was-japans-toshiba/

like stealing tech and doing industrial espionage againt germany and france? and then blame china for doing the same at them?

US gov't also tried to inject themselves into Huawei corporate, in case the Chinese did decide to take advantage of their government powers the US would be able to know, but Huawei refused to cooperate with the US.

if you actually listen to the people who aren't elected officials talk about this then they point out that the concern isn't a current built-in issue.
it's that the chinese govt can wait until huawei products are well established and THEN tell the company to push out a comfy backdoor in their next update/patch so that the govt can leverage it.

there have been reports of them being involved in IP theft but i haven't tracked it at all.

it is politics but it's not a concern of the NSA equivalent installing backdoors. if the US govt ordered cisco or juniper to hook them up with backdoors and that got out, the world be in an uproar. the US also isn't financing those companies so they can undercut foreign competitors.
it'd be one thing if the US govt was trying to peddle their own companies in europe and giving those same companies massive tax breaks specifically to spread internationally but they're not.

>but they're not.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

if you actually kept up with this you'd know that this is not just regarding US borders. the US is also working very hard to keep huawei influence from spreading in the entirety of the western world.

so you're saying the US is actually financially backing major US giants like that specifically to spread US tech into foreign enterprise networks?

because it's not working at all and those companies cannot afford to lower their prices to compete in that market like huawei can.

arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/photos-of-an-nsa-upgrade-factory-show-cisco-router-getting-implant/

this is no way backs up the US govt financially backing these companies to spread their influence.
you're really stretching.
first of all let's be fucking clear, US companies are some of the least compliant companies when it comes to corporations complying with US govt in the world. the US govt constantly gets pissed off at them and their lawyers tell the US govt to fuck off. idk if you actually read or listen to any news but the past 5 years have illustrated this very well and still are.

on top of that, this is not something that cisco did knowingly. cisco didnt send their shit to NSA only to have them take a soldering iron to it, the NSA intercepted it before it got to a very specific destination.
it's not lucrative as a big spy agency to do random implants and hope that it arrives at a network you care about AND that all these randomly distributed and implanted devices that are 100% out of your control upon installation don't get detected.

tl;dr you're a fucking retard. especially if you think china doesn't do the exact same thing with far more domestic control of the product lines.

Biggest cope in all history. 10 shekels have been deposited in your bank account..

who gives a fuck. The point is every US company can be compromised at will by the NSA/CIA voluntarily or not. All US companies are security risks.
>we stole all your state secrete but you can sue us later ;)
>t.. thanks america. Now we feel safe!

The Chinese may stab people in the front but that's more honorable than you backstabbing niggers.

>makes claim US financially backs its companies so they can spread internationally, giving US govt a spying edge
>posts a completely irrelevant article
>article's own source has them say they intercept the package secretly and work on it independent of the manufacturer

let's say US implants are the problem to focus on. it's a very, very, safe assumption that china does the same thing. if you ask the chinese govt, they don't even have an NSA equivalent even though it's well documented where they work and what they're called.
which country is the one who has ill intent?
as a chinese person i'd probably want huawei everywhere, especially in my own country, and as a westerner i'd probably trust the US more.
the enemy you know vs the one you don't and all that.
the US telling huawei to fuck off makes perfect sense, even if it is completely founded in "china bad" just like china should say no to the US pushing for them to use cisco and letting the US build their 5g networks.

yes but this is about the US telling huawei to fuck off from the US you retard.
so let's say the US govt does completely outwit its major corporations and spy on them all and all of its citizens. how does it benefit the US people for huawei to move in, again?

if you're not the US or china then i think it's fair to have that choice and as far as I'm aware no country has completely sided with the US on an outright ban on huawei products in major networks.
I think the UK is the next closest one and their parliament is still arguing over how high should huawei devices sit in the upcoming networks, if at all. it's very fair for those countries to have that talk, even if it results in huawei is 100% safe

reuters.com/article/us-huawei-tech-fedex-exclusive/exclusive-huawei-reviewing-fedex-relationship-says-packages-diverted-idUSKCN1SX1RZ

Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages ‘diverted’

>The two packages sent on May 19 and May 20 from Tokyo, intended for Huawei in China, ended up in Memphis, Tennessee, the headquarters of the U.S. company, by May 23, according to images of FedEx tracking records shown to Reuters by Huawei.

>The two packages originating from Hanoi on May 17, destined for Huawei’s Hong Kong and Singapore offices, were held up after arriving in local FedEx stations in Hong Kong and Singapore on May 21 for “delivery exception,” according to other images Huawei showed Reuters.

Two packages from Vietnam en route to China, which is like right next door, ended up in Memphis.
>just a clerical error
right you fucking thieves. You stole your way to prosperity in the 20th century but the riches canot stop you from stealing when behind,

As a 3rd party, who should I trust? The Chinese who MAY use Huawei to spy vs the US who has been stealing for 100 years.

A hypothetical vs a reality. Tough choice eh

This
a while ago I ran across an AT&T network engineer discussing this on a forum. His position was it is 100% the right move. It is less about what they have done, and more about what they could do, or the potential to do.
For example, during the height of the cold war we would never have bought infrastructure equipment from the USSR or any USSR influenced country

Its not about consumer level devices, no one gives a fuck about phones or laptops and data collection. Infrastructure and its related security is a Very Big Fucking Deal, its good that we are actually paying attention to it.

ah yeah cisco doesnt do such things

A vulnerability in the SSH key management for the Cisco Nexus 9000 Series Application Centric Infrastructure (ACI) Mode Switch Software could allow an unauthenticated, remote attacker to connect to the affected system with the privileges of the root user.

The vulnerability is due to the presence of a default SSH key pair that is present in all devices. An attacker could exploit this vulnerability by opening an SSH connection via IPv6 to a targeted device using the extracted key materials. An exploit could allow the attacker to access the system with the privileges of the root user.

look at that a "vulnerability" was found in the exact place where the handshake is DECRYPTED and thus can be stolen without much trouble!
tools.cisco.com/security/center/publicationListing.x
its so odd that 40 of the "vulnerabilities" are one way or another related to this and some even give the ability to capture the data before they get encrypted..
hmmm what are the odds

>china MAY spy
>the biggest single source of IP theft in the entire history of the world
>may spy
the US isn't the only country who has accused china of IP theft, basically every single major economic player has, which includes France, Germany, the UK, Japan, Canada (who also accuses hauwei of being bad), etc etc.

It's clear you prefer huawei but you're the one spamming irrelevant articles just to shit on the US while avoiding any grime associated with the chinese. you can say i'm earning shekels all day but i'm not the one saying one side is objectively better while you're working hard for your RMB over here.

>accused
asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/5G-networks/China-in-pole-position-for-5G-era-with-a-third-of-key-patents

thats why they patented their way into 5g right?
oh wait we dont talk about that now do we

no matter how you paint it, it's in a country's best interest to run its own backbone, especially with a new generation (5g) coming into play.
If other countries had hardware to do it, they'd be telling the US and China to fuck off at the same time, but very few do.

you won't find a single network engineer in the US who supports a hauwei infrastructure in any sense due to the potential for harm above all else. and that's fair.
just like you won't find a chinese network engineer who wants to admin cisco in their home country's networks.

>IP Theft
some of the Huawei Matebooks, looks almost identical to 2015ish macbook pros, down to the white USB power power brick. That is what they produce publicity, so one can imagine the types of IP theft they are comfortable with in secret