>Robert Hallock fielded our question, explaining, "If we look across the ecosystem of motherboards that exist today, we certainly make BIOS updates available to our ecosystem partners to include that on different levels of motherboards in their portfolio, but I don't expect that every motherboard will be updated for 3000 Series processors from our partners. That really will be a portfolio decision from their standpoint as well, as to where they apply those updates, and where they choose not to apply those updates."
>The problem with backward compatibility boils down to BIOS chip capacity limitations, with AMD's portfolio of Ryzen processors swelling to the point that most BIOS chips do not have enough capacity to store all the microcode and memory training tables for all of the processors.
I never thought of that. This was pretty mindboggling, that the bios rom would run out of storage space.
As a devil's advocate though, they could very well release different versions for different specific needs. Normies would get lost but enthusiasts would appreciate, and niche cases would probably come from tech savvy people anyways.
it's kinda funny that the x470 will have better back and forward compatibility than the new stuff. Also, same.
Samuel Jenkins
what's the difference between B470 and X470?
Wyatt Bennett
B470 ? where did you see that?
Christian Adams
Check your motherboard manufacturer's site. They offer the BIOS update required for my B350 board. Maybe yours too.
Ryder Richardson
opps i meant B450
Carter Collins
why not just offer two different BIOS updates depending on what you want to run? :^)
Robert Cook
mainly crossfire, but also quality in general and undefined terms, OC capabilities (very debatable). amd.com/en/products/chipsets-am4
Ryder Nelson
Since we are on topic of older motherboards being comparable with the 3000 series, which would be a good ITX motherboard for me to buy for a htpc form factor 2400g build to eventually upgrade to a 3400g?
Looking at buying my parts tonight , it has to be mini ITX
>As a devil's advocate though, they could very well release different versions for different specific needs. -.-
Leo Adams
newegg. com/p/N82E16813144190
looks alright, there's not a lot of options really.
Blake Flores
it doesn't have forward compatibility for PCIe 4.0 though, nor as many USB ports, nor as many M.2 slots, nor as good of support for memory, etc. etc.
Aiden Edwards
from what I saw the new chipset will bring a lot more variability in form factors, so you'll have chance for a good itx packing the new chipset. I think asrock has a decent one though. or gigabyte, dunno.
Brayden Richardson
Pretty much some less USB 3.1 ports, and no Xfire support. Some of the higher end B450 boards are better for OC'ing than a good amount of X470s due to VRMs
>At CES 2019, AMD confirmed to Tom's Hardware that 300- and 400-series AM4 motherboards could support PCIe 4.0. AMD will not lock the out feature; instead, it will be up to motherboard vendors to validate and qualify the faster standard on their motherboards on a case-by-case basis. Motherboard vendors that do support the feature will enable it through BIOS updates, but those updates will come at the discretion of the vendor. AMD also cautioned that most motherboard vendors might not bother supporting the faster interface on existing motherboards.
Carson Lopez
>While there’s support for PCIe Gen 4.0 on current motherboards, it is only possible with the AMD Ryzen 3000 series processors using the Zen 2 core architecture and even then, only the first PCIe x16 slot is said to be compatible with Gen 4.0 speeds as that operates over the CPU PCI-Express lanes while the rest of the slots would still function over the PCH which are only PCIe 3.0 compliant and we can also expect a single M.2 port to run at PCIe 4 speeds. That’ll mostly vary from board to board. wanted to confirm it myself. I remembered reading about it being single slot and was meaning to double check it.
Connor Garcia
I was actually looking at this one before , looked promising. Thanks man
Jayden Howard
it just board vendor trying to sale the new shiny board
buy new motherboard goys
Juan Flores
gigabyte makes a similar one if you like that brand more, it's silver/whiteish instead of black/red
Xavier Thompson
the good b450's are better than the bad x470's that's why I said it was very debatable, but also common sense.
No because the card isn't PCI-E 4.0. You would need a newer card like the rx5700 that supports the 4th version of the standard. Pcie 3.0 bandwidth will probably never bottleneck that card so you're good.
Joshua Edwards
kinda sucks I was waiting for the 3rd gen ryzen to upgrade from my 1700 but msi isn't supporting 3000 series chips on my mobo big rip probably be the last msi thing I buy because of this.
Evan Reed
people like you need to get off the internet and go outside.
Angel Murphy
why I'm a news reporter
Robert Jenkins
Is there any chance for B550 boards to support usb 3 2x2 or usb4 or is it all lost?
So far, x570 looks underwhelming, especially for mitx.
Supported, yes. But not really worth it. Most B350 boards already lose features and have lower clocks when using the 2000 series, it's only going to be worse with the 3000.
Connor Long
a 1gb flash modul should be able to hold enough. its yet again cheap jewish companies who are too fucking greedy to invest $.3 into their trash boards. just look at all these pathetic "heatsinks". they are just cheap plastic/aluminum covers. they trap the heat, not dissipate it. when you checked out mbs for too long like myself you start to really see how fucking low IQ these mongoloid chinks are with their design. they could have perfectly good performing boards and be cheaper to produce on top if they actually had a working brain.
Leo Rodriguez
bullshit. they can just tailor bioses around only supporting 1 cpu series, while still leaving the bioses for older generations up for download on their website. modern uefi bioses are way too fucking bloated anyway. and they are all so very ugly, holy shit.
Jonathan Sullivan
mainboards from the x570 series will be 50-100 bucks more expansive than the x470 series. I hope you're ready
Yep. And for whatever reason manufacturers are now cramming WiFi on almost every desktop board. Like, who the fuck wants WiFi on a desktop? Did they forget what the damn x1 slots are for?
Julian Barnes
>Like, who the fuck wants WiFi on a desktop? a certain someone has to collect "intel"
Nathaniel Roberts
are they even releasing B550s? I was glad that I could just get a B450 but people were saying the PCIE 4.0 update will only affect the top 16 lanes
Kevin Green
I have a MSI B450M Mortar. Hoping I will have no issues with Zen 2. Not too bothered about PCIE4 although it would be nice.
Gavin Sanders
Noob here, correct me if I'm wrong but from what I understand the ryzen "X" processors are the same as non-X with the only difference being that the out of the box clock speeds are higher? In other words a 2600 can be just as capable as a 2600X once overclocked with proper cooling, right?
Luis Lee
>Bristol Ridge Forgot these were a thing. Has anyone ever bought one?
Isaiah Reyes
yeah, the X version are for guaranteed higher stock and boost clocks but the non-X should reach what the X reaches beyond that should be random binning
Jordan Gomez
Yes but X chips are better samples. We will see how important this is with 7nm.
Parker Cox
yes but temps and power draw will be also higher if you OC them. X works within the spec.
Oliver Smith
Aren't the X SKUs the only ones with XFR?
Dylan Turner
or make available for download a package with an editable configuration and let us build our binary, with a makefile style build system