Those are irrelevant, AMD beats the 9900k in all scenarios while using a 40% of the power, that's impressive.
Anthony Baker
>But Zen 2 sucks because it can't do 5ghz, right shills? Those shills are also unduly assuming that TSMC 7nm HPC has the same voltage scaling as GF 14nm LPP, and that Zen 2 won't have any overclocking headroom as a result. There is no good reason to assume the voltage scaling will be identical, and we should wait to see how Ryzen 3000 overclocks before even entertaining silly arguments about 'muh niggahurtz'.
Dylan Bennett
>gain the upper hand on AVX2 floating point loaded code >must mean better IPC and performance all around
Cooper Jones
SOPA MACACO can't read.
Chase Rodriguez
>Shills actually trying to argue Zen 2 doesn't have better IPC when Ryzen 3000 CPUs beat the 9900k in Cinebench R20 single threaded at lower clocks. Lmoa
>on par or better single threaded performance According to what their selected benchmarks? That pubg gameplay and strange Brigade was handpicked embarrassment. I still think it won't beat 9900k maybe in few titles on that 12 core CPU.
Chase Gomez
>what is xfr ever since they introduced that shit, old school overclocking was made pretty much irrelevant. Every chip boosts itself to its limit based on the cooler's efficiency. If a chip's xfr range is specified at X GHz, you won't be able to overclock much further either. 100 MHz tops. Out of the currently announced lineup not one cpu will reach 5ghz on air. Kinda sucks desu because this way amds offering will be just "better" instead of the literal shoah amdronedtv hyped up for months.
Matthew Fisher
>The newest version of the industry standard Cinebench benchmark isn't representative of actual performance even though the whole industry uses Cinebench for benchmarking (lol
Yes, that's why the XFR2 frequency of the 2700x is 150mhz higher than its boost clock.
Not even to mention that XFR2 was heavily changed vs XFR1 so you can't even assume what XFR3 will do, and you can't assume that manual overclocking won't be able to achieve higher clocks than XFR on Ryzen 3000 precisely because we don't know the voltage scaling in the relevant range yet.
GF 14nm LPP and 12nm havomg horrible voltage scaling at the top end is *why* XFR works better than manual overclocking on Zen and Zen+. It *might* be the case that this also holds true on TSMC 7nm HPC, but it also might be the case that manual overclocking can achieve higher frequencies with much beefier cooling.
Samuel Young
>may not reflect all publicly available security updates
HAHAHAHA HOLY SHIT WHERE WERE YOU FOR THE {{{SECOND}}} HOLOCAUST
Ryan Carter
SHUT IT DOWN
Cooper Jackson
I just wish they made a new threadripper with no shit tier latency issues like their flagship was.
>inb4 they stop making them altogether and you can only buy 9k ebyg chips that you can't OC and run at 3ghz instead of giving us a refresh
Blake Rogers
>>$1.200 >wait what It's the price you pay for the best.
Gavin Cox
just an mainstream AM4 CPU shoa' an HEDT Intel part in every metric possible so nothing to see here, goyim
Zachary Stewart
>It's the price you pay for the best. that's 499$ starting in July 7th
Again, Cinebench R20 is a nAVX2 fp workload. The application-specific IPC you get in it isn't representative of IPC in general. On AVX512 integer workloads for example it has a great IPC of zero.
Tyler Gray
>that's why the XFR2 frequency of the 2700x is 150mhz higher than its boost clock
>May not reflect all publicly available security updates >no product or component can be absolutely secure >performance tests may have been optimized for performance only on intel microprocessors
>AMD told me so they would never lie, please forgot about Bulldozer era Jow Forums is retarded for actually taking any vendor seriously with their cherrypicked numbers. Wait for the real benchmarks to come out that show the reality.
>no product or component can be absolutely secure >no product or component can be absolutely secure >no product or component can be absolutely secure >no product or component can be absolutely secure kek literal cope
Ethan Ortiz
>Cat talking about benchmarking Snowflake stop posting while steve is in Taiwan.
Angel Cruz
It won't beat 9900k in blizzard shitty MMOs though because they use intel compiler.
Jace Edwards
>Getting hyped before the product hits the market and is tested by consumers
Considering AVX was the only field intel held advantage over AMD on, how's that bad? IPC leadership claim for AMD is still valid. That's HEDT platform. They cost a lot higher because of higher margins, though they also offer more memory channels and PCIe lanes.
Jaxson Evans
LOL at the first two posts desperately trying to justify their AMD systems via cognitive bias and horse blinders.
It's well-known that AMD hardware is subpar compared to Intel + Nvidia hardware. This is also further compounded by the fact that Intel + Nvidia have better drivers and a better relationship with game developers. Intel + Nvidia is well-supported and well optimized.
AMD is the budget-bin bargain thrift-store 2nd-rate bottom-bucket off-brand no-name poor-people choice. AMD tried to make up for this with Mantle, but Mantle failed.
Why would you go to McDonalds for a hamburger when you can go to 5 Guys or In and Out?
Brandon Turner
Every single reviewer will do it differently, some will say 9900k still has better single core, some others will say 3800X has better single core, different JEDEC, different coolers, different metrics, it will be a complete clusterfuck
Jayden Turner
All the tech reviewers are AMDrones now
Sebastian Perry
There will be some reviewers using delidded + lapped + massive watercooler for 9900k and claim it's superior to 3800X
Adrian Reyes
I remember when I was 15
Jackson Howard
AMD's IPC claims were calculated used SpecINT, FP performance should be even better.
Caleb Gray
In and Out taste like shit and the fries are cardboard.
Aaron Evans
AMD beat Intel in pubg, which has the biggest performance gap between AMD and Intel, intel is fucked
Sebastian Sullivan
That's obviously JayztwoIncels
Ryan Cox
>Considering AVX was the only field intel held advantage over AMD on lol
and what they showed isn't even testing all of AVX
Aiden Nelson
that idiot always had slandered Ryzen.
Dominic Miller
>Intelshill reduced to MUH AVX. Literal BUY MMX Please.
WTF is this? 1995?
Nathan Reyes
Have a source for that?
Jaxon Richardson
Which part? It's in one of those footnotes from the half a hundred powerpoint slides, people were talking about it on twitter.
Cameron Russell
Not really
>Linus Effectively declared himself to be on AMD's side, all the AMDrones who were shitting on him for sponsoring Intel are the same people embracing his shift in alignment >Hardware Unboxed Revealed his true AMD colors, not even hiding it anymore >GN Still peddling the 16-core meme, didn't even show up at Intel's keynote despite being invited >Jayz, Paul Not even at Computex >Bitwit No videos yet >HardwareCucks The slav is a full blown AMDrone now, sends his pajeet to do Intel videos
Joshua Hall
Please post a link to the slides.
Oliver Ortiz
Because people are clueless and think that PUBG and Cinnebench do the same kind of workload, one fully stresses all the core resources and without significantly widening the core you'll just get a moderate increase. While the other stresses the memory subsystem, which AMD massively improved.
Michael Moore
>AVX512 Why would you run your CPU at 1.6GHz?
Henry Ramirez
>dronedronedronedronedrone easy there piednoel
Nathan Russell
I'm not denying it, still it won't beat intel in blizzard games without spoofing CPUID.
Luis Jackson
Jayztwocents is an AMD hater.
Juan Nelson
PUBG is CPU bound as fuck. It will use 4 threads and nothing else, the GPU keeps going to 0% use waiting for the CPU to deliver.
Robert Russell
Do we know what ram they used? They could've used some insanely fast ram for all we know. I'm waiting for some independent benchmarks
Angel Cruz
PUBG, any pretty much any kind of awful optimized game depends on memory and cache latencies more than clockspeed, cores or a large execution pipeline.
Evan Cox
you realize that there was this one leaked Engineering Sample that had single channel memory right, and it still BTFO'd
Adam Hill
Intel is in the "lies and bribes" phase now.
John Gray
AMD always uses the supported memory speed for their stuff, so 3200, B-die or not I dunno. But it should be way less relevant than with zen1 due to bigger cache and 2.5x faster IF links
Jack Gonzalez
In cinebench, right? An entirely different workload from unreal4 based crappily optimised games
Noah Brown
Jow Forums doesn't embrace Linus and nobody cares which company he shills for, he's still a sellout whore.
Dylan Rogers
GN retard was the one who claimed Ryzen was vulnerable to Meltdown so he's a fucking retard.
Carter Powell
except it doesn't suffer from the same performance penalties as the Zen1/Zen+ chips.
I believe that the IF speed is now independent of the Memory speed. This should explain why a single-channel system would maintain that kind of score.
Joshua Sanchez
JEDEC ram most likely
Leo Cox
Here's a clock for clock comparison in geekbench subtests for zen2 and zen+
As you can see, quite a lot of improvement for beta/alpha firmware. Cinnebench is just one very specific benchmark, other benchmarks stress different parts of the CPU.
Gabriel Butler
>JEDEC RAM you're tech illiterate. JEDEC is a standard. Now fuck off back to /v/ and play your games, inturd.
Joseph Perez
>muh consumer low/mid tier brackers
INTEL IS STILL FASTER ON THE HIGH END BITCH
Samuel Cook
Are you fucking retarded? Are you the same retard who claims pissmark is more valid than cinebench too?
kek'd What he said. JEDEC is the standardized rame timings. 2133/2400/2666/2933 ect. Meaning literally every ram sold on the market or else it won't work with your CPU.
I am always surprised that the brand wars here are even more retarded than the console wars on /v/. I have to believe you are paid to post here, because this kind of effort on behalf of companies that routinely feed you shit, lie, and cheat you is just beyond any stupidity i want to believe you are capable of. You fucking faggots.
BOOM. Nice goalpost though. The point being they didn't use any "special JEDEC RAM" They used basic bitch consumer and this is just a example of their IPC optimization not being dependent on RAM like Zen1 or Zen+
Chase Mitchell
>So still below skylake then, lmao Do these shills not realise that they are shitting on the newer cpus that they're always trying to shill? >hurr, muh 5 year old chip from incel is better than my 1 year old chip from incel. Incel wins again!