>AMD thrashing them >ZombieLoad / MDS >Apple is going to replace Intel in all their Macs with Apple's own ARM chips because Intel is stagnating and shit >Can barely deliver 10 nm while the rest of the industry is delivering 7 nm
>Apple is going to replace Intel in all their Macs with Apple's own ARM chips because Intel is stagnating and shit how does it compare to a normal desktop amd64 cpu? last time i checked they were using some retarded mobile benchmark, sounded incredibly underpowered fuck intel tho
Hudson Cruz
can't they just switch to ryzen? they already use AMD GPUs
Noah Cook
>Can barely deliver 10 nm while the rest of the industry is delivering 7 nm Let's not fall for memes, friend. Their 10nm process is more advanced than the half-assed 7nm version going around.
Anand did more in depth tests and it was damn fine, specially considering it's a passively cooled chip that wasn't made with such workloads in mind.
Given how well they progressed with their SoCs in such a short time, it seems given that they would overtake Intel if they tried.
Camden Green
>AMD thrashing them
Where are the benchmarks?
Joseph Hughes
amd had the luck that a few essential patents have expired between bulldozer and zen. amd can't into research and development unlike intel which will bounce back for sure.
Isaac Wilson
Intel doesn't allow benchmarks on patched CPUs
Jack Bell
>benchmarks on patched CPUs this is pure antisemitism right there. you should be ashamed for even suggesting this.
Hudson Cox
>Their 10nm process is more advanced than the half-assed 7nm version going around [citation required]
Adrian Phillips
I am not talking about intel, where are the AMD benchmarks?
Leo Parker
>Their 10nm process is more advanced than the half-assed 7nm version going around. lol okay
ARM reference designs surpassing their ultrabook chips in raw performance.
Isaac Rogers
When Intel is ashes, then you have my permission to stop me.
Julian Brooks
>Uses 4chin screencaps to argue a point. Yike
Charles Thomas
Here's some Geekbench scores. The A12X Bionic found in the iPad Pro, on iOS: >Single core: 5,007 >Multi core: 17,931 Intel Core i5-8279U found in the base 2019 13" MacBook Pro, on macOS: >Single core: ~4,500 - ~5,000 >Multi core: ~15,500 - ~18,500 Intel Core i7-9750H found in the base 2019 15" MacBook Pro, on macOS: >Single core: ~4,900 - ~5,500 >Multi core: ~19,000 - ~24,700
So yeah, considering that the A12X is meant for a tablet, has a much lower TDP, and is passively cooled, I'd say it performs pretty damn well.
There are multiple stories and reports saying that Apple might release their first ARM Mac in 2020. They're probably working on porting macOS right now.
lmaooo hes really that stupid that we need to explain to him
Benjamin Hughes
Dumb Incel shill
Nicholas Long
>increasingly nervous How so ? Zen 2 looks great and AMD is gonna take a shit on Intel this year. Remember to pay $2000 for your pigeon shit housefire.
Ayden Stewart
You laugh but my chinkphone is miles faster and more responsive than my desktop i5 after the latest security patches.
John Fisher
>GUI speed and latency is a valid metric >Geekbench
I suspect that instead of the rapid progress of processor tech that we've seen up to this point, we will instead begin to see the tech stagnate. Instead of better processors, we'll see improvements in production that make it cheaper and easier to make them. We might even see new players enter the game to compete with Intel and AMD. Unless they quickly shift focus to new architectures or graphene tech, it will be hard for them to maintain the duopoly.
We're beginning to hit physical limits of silicon. The "theoretical" limits don't mean shit, we're already running into actual problems despite still being a few steps away from the supposed limits. As we go smaller, yields will only decrease, and problems will only get worse. There is no light at the end of the tunnel, we either innovate, or accept stagnation. Once processors stagnate completely, Intel and AMD will be slowly cornered because nobody needs to upgrade when there is no progress. Other players will come into the game offering cheaper processors, and the old veterans won't be able to contest them without superior product.
Lucas Cook
good, let them all stagnate so open hardware can catch up a little and software developers stop stacking piles of javascript and releasing electron apps
Blake Lee
>geekbench >geekbench comparing ARM and x86 I hoped I wouldn't see this dogshit ever again. fuck you retard.
We'll hit the hard limits of silicon material around 1nm. There's a whole lot of design optimizations that can be done from 7nm down to 3nm+ EUV. Also, AMD intends to implement SMT4 for Zen3, which means anywhere from 3 to 4 threads per core. It's quite possible that instead of releasing Zen3 on 7nm EUV, they'll release a Zen2 refresh with improved clocks and some minor fixes to the uArch, addressing any issues with cache and latency matters.
Then wait for 5nm EUV which will have an 80% density increase over 7nm EUV. That way they can have their cake of 4 thread SMT and still maintain the same core count as 7nm EUV.
With that kind of MT capabilities brought to bear, it will be even harder for Intel to compete with AMD even with their 10 or 7nm nodes.
Elijah Stewart
> Apple is going to replace Intel in all their Macs with Apple's own ARM chips AhahahahahahahahahahHAHhahahahahahah. RIP Apple as a computer manufacturer. useless iTOYS for all iTODDLERS! yaay! >Will Intel even exist in five years' time? the odds of you not existing are far more favourable than a multi-billion dollar corporation like intel going anywhere. STAY MAD, AMDrone.
> using ARM in macs AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. and retarded itoddlers will defend this, because the most they use a computer for is browsing reddit and watching tranny porn.
> still can't emulated x86 properly at all without significant performance penalties my fucking sides. this is wonderful. you are one retarded chinaman, op.
Well they can still make even if their GPUs turn out good. AMD's RTG is a disaster and so far it doesn't seem like Navi will be any actual improvement or competition for Novideo
Jonathan Edwards
>Navi BTFOs everything up to the 2070 >Rtx cards dying left and right, plus the only ray tracing that will be used in the next five years is on consoles, which use Navi Ok.
Christopher Roberts
Nobody cares about their computer vision, we are talking about CPUs and if there is any hope for Intel in this field.
Jack Flores
Intel doesn't give a fuck about the field, it's blindingly obvious. They hired the best guy in the business (Jim Keller) and stuck him with AMD's old GPU pajeet in the GPU sector to make GPUs for machine learning for mobileye. The industry is thousands of times bigger than anything desktop & even server CPU related.
Oliver Anderson
I don't care, this isn't about making money, this isn't about profit, this isn't about anything other Intel's failure in ONE field.
Ian Thomas
so advanced that they had to effectively turn it into a 12nm process?
Not him, but geekbench scores are not comparable across architectures.
Liam Green
ryzen tdp is pretty bad on laptops, it ain't happening.
Christian Stewart
Intel's 10nm is not more advanced when it doesn't fucking exist in any tangible products >10nm laptop parts announced whoopdefuckingdo, looks like they're all going into overpriced hunks of pretty junk at any rate, offer fuck all in terms of advanced performance over their predecessors, and >muh gaymes was their biggest card played. Not to mention the fact that they're still quad core parts with ht, probably vulnerable to zombieload.
Austin Walker
Yikes Intel
Aiden Brown
Sell your stocks
Benjamin Baker
it's only "bad" because AMD is actually honest with TDP.
The TDP intel gives is a fantasy number and has nothing to do with reality.
Yeah the process is so good they're basically ditching it and investing in a new 7nm EUV based process instead.
Colton Martin
10nm is not even their original 10nm anymore
Asher Moore
Honesty doesn't matter
Xavier Sullivan
To be fair Intel CPUs can go pretty high temp wise before they run into problems. Given this, they don't need to be as aggressively cooled and thus can run with coolers rated for lower TDP.
Charles Jones
>AMDrones actually believe a massive company like Intel will go down under >when a literal nobody company like AMD survived being irrelevant for 10+ years (lol
Yes and Yes. If they survived the Z80, they can survive this.
Benjamin Hernandez
Geekbench relies heavily on certain functions that are hardware accelerated such as encryption on the A12x chip, so it's not a valid comparison for "general workloads". It will still get crushed in anything from running gaymes to serious scientific workloads and engineering and video encoding.
Blake Carter
>Will Intel even exist in five years' time? Yes, when they finally get 10nm and a new architecture out they'll likely return to a more competitive position again. It'll take a a couple of years but Intel is too fuckhuge to die out so quickly. A few years of Ryzen domination won't kill them.
Mason Gutierrez
based
Jonathan Evans
I think the idea of Apple going to arm chips is that they'll port their own software to ARM. And only have to emulate x86 for other people's software. And M$ is probably working on porting the full blown M$ suite to ARM as well. So it's will probably work pretty well for everyone but software developers.
Ethan Sanchez
No one actually believes in Intel's bankruptcy in at leadt 50 more years, but with long enough stagnation intel will lose its status of being THE INTEL.
Kevin Jones
>And M$ is probably working on porting the full blown M$ suite to ARM as well It's already exists. RT had office.
Cooper Fisher
based
Robert Wright
I appreciate your honesty.
Parker Johnson
>can't [Mac] ust switch to ryzen? they already use AMD GPUs If they did that, then their customers would be happy with the Ryzen chips and not want them to switch to Apple's own cheaper ARM chips.
Intel being so shit is what makes their customers want Apple's own ARM chips so badly.
You want AMD benchmarks in a vacuum, not with Intel patched results to compare to?
Henry Mitchell
If you do the test with the security updates, the bar heights are reversed
Parker Barnes
What the FUCK do we do? How do we stop AMD? This is making us look really bad. We need to set up a Discord or something and start coordinating a way to stop AMD. I'm talking viral marketing, shit posting, misleading information, misleading reviews and everything we've got.
Daniel Fisher
I need to buy AMD stock NOW
Hudson Brooks
Intel is the company for glow in the dark spooks, they'll never lose their status.
Ayden Hill
Never can be a very long time, user.
Michael Wright
Fucking mods
Andrew Nguyen
(((Intel))) jew inside
Liam Johnson
Hahaha my 9900k beats the 2700x
Jordan Parker
Shill would imply they do it for money. They're closer to scatfags at this point, gladly getting pozzed and fucked in the arse and consuming the shit intel produces
>Will Intel even exist in five years' time? Nope cos I'm gonna sue them for being complicit in the Zionist human trafficking operation
Cooper Murphy
>They're probably working on porting macOS right now. Apple (and Next) have always kept the OS running on multiple architectures, Apple's had OS X on ARM for ten years.
>bought Yahoo article >Yahoo kek >holiday season a.k.a. December, probably early 2020 >Intel's face when Zen 3 info should be getting out at that point The worst part is that they release Broadwell again, but AMD can still counter with 16 core on AM4. It's fucking over, Intel needs a new architecture and unfuck the fabs or AMD's \infty yields are going to murder them.