ATTENTION: Ryzen 3000 series CPUs and X570 motherboards will released on 7/7/2019; they will likely match or beat Intel's offerings in all categories. High performance Navi graphics cards will be released later in July. More Navi news at E3.
Want help? >State budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing: >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS) >R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming >R5 2600/X - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs >i7 8700/K - Extreme solution for absolute max FPS >R7 2700/X - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing
RAM: >Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended >CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3200CL16 is ideal >AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
Graphics cards based on current pricing: >Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty 1080p >RX 570 8GB - good performance with great value >GTX 1660 - standard >RTX 2060 - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor) 1440p >RTX 2060 - standard >RTX 2080 - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor) 2160p (4K) >RTX 2080 - standard >RTX 2080Ti - better fit for 4K but expensive
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >Don't bother buying a new monitor for gaming unless it's 144Hz with adaptive sync >A 256GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor >Bottleneck checkers are worthless
And to head off questions... >Motherboard Stuck between this and the MSI X470 Gaming M7 AC. Have no preference really, can be swayed to one or the other. >RAM Cheap and can OC to 3200, good enough for my needs >SSD Cheap and fast. I know the endurance isn't great but I don't anticipate filling it up for at least 5 years, by which point storage technology will be much better probably.
Owen Wood
>2k build >cheapest shit 3000 ram u found
LAMO
Hunter Carter
Dunno what to tell you, tight budget.
Alexander Perez
How hard will a 3700X or 3900X be to get on 7/7? Also, do we have to wait until then for independent benchmarks?
Rumor is that 3rd gen Threadripper will be Zen3 and will come before the desktop parts next year, in H1 2020, and that it'll have 3 threads per core. It'll also have a lot more PCIe lanes. Maybe someone will make a motherboard with 10 m.2 slots on the back...
There is a combination of needing all the dies they can for Epyc right now, the difficulty of AMD creating and validating their own designed chipsets that are so new, and thinking it's premature to bring X499 just yet.
Yes you will likely have to wait until 7/7 morning for independent benchmarks. >How hard will a 3700X or 3900X be to get on 7/7? Yields aren't as good as before, which leads to the above where we aren't getting a new Threadripper this year, and demand will likely be higher as it seems to be purely better than Intel even on the high end now. So they very may sell out initially. Didn't even the 2700X sell out for the first few days at many retailers?
Gavin Wright
Why the FUCK is it so hard to find a decent CPU heatsink for this case? Every good low profile cooler is getting discontinued and replaced with a taller one because they "aren't compatible" with (((gamer motherboards))) and (((gamer memory))).
Might be the wrong thread but why the fuck are there so many different versions of what i think is the same graphics card? Im looking for an rtx 2070 but i dont understand why theres so many different options. Msi alone has like 6 versions
Angel Rodriguez
>why the fuck are there so many different versions of what i think is the same graphics card? Im looking for an rtx 2070 but i dont understand why theres so many different options. Msi alone has like 6 versions To make it more likely that you'll make the wrong choice and get ripped off.
Samuel Harris
Just get a Silverstone RVZ02 instead
I've got an actually decent L9x65 in there despite it being like 7mm above the "limit", does pretty good
Joshua Miller
Well its working because im confused and not sure what to buy. I really thought narrowing it down would be easier.
Easton White
Just buy the Vega 64 Nitro+ instead. It's a really good model. Deciding between Vega models is easy since there are just a handful of standout models. It's 4-10% slower, but it's a lot cheaper.
>x570 gaymen garbage with fans The chipset fan is going to be there even on non gaming boards. Apparently the southbridge (or something) gets really hot
If you're buying no matter what, make sure to place your order early, or failing that use a website like nowinstock
Depending on the CPU you might be able to go passive
Different coolers, different steppings of chip, different overclocks, etc
>Just buy the Vega 64 Nitro+ instead Garbage
>It's 4-10% slower In your mind maybe, not in reality. 37 / 250 is 15% slower
>inb4 nvidiapowerup shillllll >stop btfo'ing me with data :(((
Il look into it, thanks. I want to get into vr but damn do you need some decent stuff for it to be worthwhile at all.
Andrew Wood
They are all the same in terms of performance. It's just that those who cost more will run cooler and quieter. Ignore the resident amd salesman btw
Eli Bell
Usually there's a base clock one and an overclocked one Then a short style with one fan and a thicc heatsink, or a long style with two+ Then rbgay or none So just use the compare button.
Kevin Lopez
>all this marketing What commission do you charge?
You know those results are with the reference blower. You've literally had this pointed out to you over 20 times by me and others but you keep gaslighting people by implying it isn't.
Ryan Thompson
Figure this is more PC-building than anything.
I've been avoiding Win10 like the devil since the data collection surfaced practically at launch. Has it improved at all in the subsequent years, or should I hang tight to Win7? Gaming is a key use of the box, so not especially negotiable on OS vendor.
Parker Turner
What's a good midsize case that doesn't look gamery and doesn't have a glass side panel?
Ayden Hughes
Why was Vega taken out of the OP?
Jayden Ortiz
I currently have an FX-6300 over clocked to 4.1 GHz and an RX 570. Is it worth upgrading to the new ryzen 3700X?
Jayden Rodriguez
I see that most of the Ryzen 3000 processors have a 32MB L3 Cache, up from 16MB with Ryzen 2000 and as compared to 9MB that Intel's packing. Is that an excessive amount, something that can be chalked up to differences in design, or somewhere in between?
Nathaniel Ross
Just get windows 10 and use shut up 10! if you want to block a lot of telemetry. This might make updates hard, but you’re more private.
Jayden Gray
I mistyped pcpartpicker.com and some site about dick pumps came up.
James Jackson
>3700x with a 570 Ye go for it
Jaxon Turner
1080p (FHD) >RX 570/580 - value. >1660 - Slightly better perf for more demanding games on high/maxed 60fps+ > 1660Ti / Vega56 - higher framerates 1440p (WQHD) >used 1070Ti / Vega - 60-120fps+ in most games on high/maxed >Above Vega offers progressively poorer and poorer value. Wait for the RX 5000 series 2160p (4k) >Wait for RX 5000 series
Jace Jones
I'll note that down. Thanks!
Luke Hall
Reference blower can hit stock and boost. You've had this repeatedly pointed out to you. Get fucked.
Jonathan Russell
Because someone with a brain wrote the OP
Yes, but obviously only upgrade when you actually need to.. if you haven't noticed any performance problems, you don't need to.
Easton Hall
Fractal Design Define/Meshify C series, however short/tall you need because midsize means fuck-all and you didn't mention requirements, which you won't find a case for anyway because nobody offers that. No, nobody, not in that configuration, fuck you.
As long as you don't have to reinstall 7 and not browsing sketchy parts of the internet.jpg.exe, then you should be fine. Otherwise MS have made it impossible to get certain updates "officially" and even tells you Win7 support is ending when you try to first install updates.
But it's possible to get Win7 running on Ryzen, but maybe wouldn't count on 3xxx series to work. For AAA gayming, you might be hosed too but I thought I saw rumors of DX12 coming to Win7?
Carson Hernandez
Cache is expensive (lots of die space) and Intel are a cheap cucktress.
A 2600 would be cheaper and more than enough for the RX570.
If anyone wants a true multicore monster for cheap. The value here is insane.
Josiah Ward
But you have to buy X399 and a cooler as well, which will be expensive and eat into your 250 in savings. Better to wait until the R9 3900X, which is a far better processor overall
Levi Morris
Have 50 bezosbucks, looking for a new case. >USA/USD >costs $100-$150, not including the credit I've got >ATX motherboard >fits at least two 3.5in drives >takes cpu cooler of at least 125mm >sound dampening >related to above, I'm fine with no window if that means more sound dampening >bonus points, an extra pcie expansion spot like how silverstonetek.com/images/products/gd09/gd09-1.jpg has. I have an internal USB header to USB ports on PCI bracket adapter and I do need the extra ports. Those extra slots like for those vertical video card mounts on the cases listed below will also work, however this is an extremely minor want and can be ignored otherwise I've been looking at the FD Define R6 and the bq Silent Base 601 but for some reason they all seem to be over msrp on amazon I know I have $50 in credit but fuck overpaying Does anyone know of a similar case?
Asher Anderson
Been looking at used 10xx cards and notice a lot of them have fan issues.
Is this a 3rd party specific issue? 10 series issue? Have you replaced any? Easy?
Is it dumb to buy 3x 27" 1080p 144hz monitors to replace 2x 27" 1080p 60hz monitors for roughly the same price as 1x 144hz 1440p/ultra-wide 1080p?
Lucas Watson
See somebody selling their 2200g for $70. Said it was new but they bought the wrong mobo. Why wouldn't they just return it if that were the case instead of selling it at a loss?
Josiah Gray
To have main screen for movies games and excel sheet and smaller screen for Jow Forums n shit like that, makes most sense
also 140hz is placebo human eye can not see over 90fps
I decided to upgrade my monitor but I don't know shit about them and was learning the differences between IPS and TN since I was wondering why my shitty old Dell monitor was looking better than anything I had seen in my price range. Turns out my shitty old Dell monitor wasn't so shitty and has an IPS screen, so now I'm fucked because the IPS screens I'm willing to upgrade to are buttfuck expensive. /blog
All the IPS monitors I'm looking at just don't seem to be an upgrade worth a damn.
Jordan Garcia
Is the coolermaster masterbox Q300L a bad case? I've seen mostly negative videos but positive customer reviews.
Jackson Sanders
im just curious why you chose such an oddball case. what kind of computer and what are you using it for?
Logan Taylor
>coolermaster masterbox Q300L There's better microATX cases, that one just "looks cool".
Blake Peterson
Whats the best air cooler for a 5GHz OC on a i7 9700k? Mine gets pretty hot under full load at 4.4GHz.
>creative software applications including video rendering/editing Ryzen 3K for sure.
David Adams
Then get one that you like the looks of, air flow isn't going to matter that much as long as you put forth the effort for effective cable management.
Jacob Martinez
>OC on a i7 9700k >full load at 4.4G user.... that's a downclock (stock allcore boost is 4.6 fren)
this
Levi Johnson
don't give intel money
Jaxon Davis
It started at 36 on the bios. I put it to 44. I know boost is like 4.9GHz so i know my cooler is not efficient enough.
Xavier Gomez
he's a shill basically
Bentley Gutierrez
guys, will 3-slot thick become the norm for high end cards, or is just nvidia turing dies so hot, that makes fermi ones cool in comparison? want to put a 2080ti for (((cuda))) work, but my meme-ITX case only supports 2-slots thick cards, so I worry about the future, where all the high end ones are t h i c c
Henry Cox
Definitely wait, regardless of which choice you make. Either you'll have a better option or your original choice will end up cheaper.
Joseph Jackson
Is this an m.2 standoff?
Was in my mobo box, there's 2 of them, my mobo has 2 m.2 slots so I'm guessing it is?
hey guys, I need help identifying usb 2.0 ports from usb 3.0 ports on my z270 gaming pro motherboard. I would guess the first two on the left to be 2.0s but I need to be sure. Thanks in advance
Why? I wouldn't be losing any pixel density so it's still an upgrade, Is pixel density so important that three 24" 1080p 144hz monitors would be better then two 27" 1080p monitors? Personally my eyes aren't that great so the idea of going from 27' 1080p to 24" 1080p seems like a mistake even if the 24" monitors are faster with greater pixel density.
Jayden Martin
yes, 6 are the usb 2 ports
Luke White
>pcpartpicker.com/list/WJBN8Y good mobo choice. gaming 7 and crosshair 7 are the only real choices desu. skip MSI. gigaboi has better boost if you dont plan having an allcore oc.
Kayden Hernandez
I fucking hope. Two slot coolers are totally undersized for the TDP of high end GPUs from this decade. 250W TDP, yet the coolers are far smaller than for CPUs with half the heat output. Graphics cards always end up being by far the hottest and noisiest part of the PC. Also graphics cards fans STILL NOT STANDARD SIZED AAAAHHHH.
Owen Robinson
idk
but I use a 27" 1440p 144hz IPS monitor, and if I need to, I just play windowed at 1080p and keep another window with twitch/yt up beside it
works pretty well for me
my desk is small though, so if I could. I would get a 1080p secondary
Henry Miller
Is the ASUS VG279Q monitor really sporting an 1ms refresh rate or did I fall for the advertising? I'm wanting to upgrade my monitor and bought it on the recommendation of a friend but if I can get something better in the 350 USD range I'll cancel my order and get that. pcpartpicker says it doesn't have 1ms refresh, I want something I can keep for an extended duration.
Leo Foster
I just don't understand what happened in the last few years. A decade ago we had 500W graphics cards with two gpus with smaller heatsinks and without vapor chambers. Now suddenly everything fucking melts if the GPU gets close to 200W.
Austin Mitchell
9400f or 9600k for 2k 60fps gaming?
Landon Carter
Funny guy.
Levi Watson
RX 580/590 or GTX 1660, assuming I somehow find them at the same price range? Does it matter that I'm full AMD (2700 and x470), so should I go for a RX 580/590 and a freesync monitor anyway or does it not matter if I shove some nvidia in there? Also, once the gpu is chosen, which brand is the best for arounf $200?
Brody Miller
When it comes to overclocking RAM, if I get errors in memtest5, but my applications don't crash, is there an issue?
