Are cheap NVMe's a meme? Should I drop the coin on a cheap one or save up for a name brand?

>cheap
>SM2262
>not SM2263XT D-RAMless

From what I've read they're good, but they won't last as long.
I read a lot of info because I was serious considering getting one, however I chose to go samsung after reading some people had issues with warranty.

envy me? I look at it and see nevermindy

Brainlet detected

For a first an nvme drive can READ and WRITE simultaneously.

For a second they can be 6 times faster for similar money. Samsung 860 sata vs nvme 970 is 6 times slower for reads and writes

For a third - no more messy cables

>nvme drives can read and write at the same time
so they can do something hard disks and ssd's do for years good job
>they can be 6 times faster
only on heavy I/O and raid situations because the average and above average user
WONT
NOTICE
A
SINGLE
THING
>no cables
true

Silicon power. Toshiba nand, ddr4, phison reference design.

Don't buy inturd 660pee and crucial pee1.
Dramless qlc and will choke.

i mean besides the cables everything else doesnt justify buying nvme/m.2 at all
youtube.com/watch?v=V3AMz-xZ2VM
90% of the time an ssd vs an nvme in real life is less than a second
like literally less than a fucking second nothing any user will do will ever be able to saturate it at any level or way

Going to pick up the Samsung 970 Evo Pro Plus NVMe in the next month or two. My dilemma is whether it's worth getting a PCIe 3 or 4 motherboard as I don't know if there's any significant difference between them for non-server/business tier usage. Also for existing PCIe 3 motherboards, how does a simple software update grant it PCIe 4 capability (for some slots and brands) anyway? Has the already always been capable but restricted by other hardware until now?

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Holy fuck you're dumb

Like seriously don't ever post here again

SATA cannot do simultaneous reads and writes

This isn't an opinion it's a fact. It's a limitation of SATA, but not as limited as your retarded thinking

>Users won't notice the performance lol

This is what non nvme fags tell themselves so they can sleep at night

>For a third - no more messy cables
You can get a sata SSD in m.2 form, though. They're typically the same price as their 2.5" counterparts.

Only when using a ryzen3000 and devices that connect directly to the cpu. So on older am4 motherboards that the top x16 pcie slots and the m2 slot closest to the cpu.

The cpu will set the pcie speed. IE the board connects the cpu to your main 16x slot directly/ without going through any other chips.

While the 970 is great if you wait a month there will be pcie 4 nvme drives capable of nearly double its read and write speeds purely because the flash is limited by the pcie bus - so expect lots of manufacturers to have thier products out for the new ryzen launch.

SATA is a protocol
SATA allows simultaneous read and writes you dumb fuck
SATA HDDs CANNOT do it but
SATA SSDs CAN DO IT WITHOUT A HISS

get your shit together

Thanks for clearing it up. If the new NVMe's capabilities can only really be noticed in intensive/specialised data tasks then their use case might be negligible for someone like me but we'll see what the reviews have to say eventually.

I'm thinking about buying an ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 512GB. I would pay 90 euros for it, which is SATA SSD price.
The specs looks good, and it can only be better than my current 500GB 850 EVO, which I would move to my 2nd PC...
I'm very tempted.

It's not a meme. I use a slower, SATA M.2 from Crucial with the same bullshit "cooling sticker".

It heats up to 80C doing writes and then throttles. I have a 240MM fan blowing air directly onto the motherboard.

If you want consistent write performance, get one with a heatsink attached.

about the controller/system RAM, how important is it? Because I will get Zen 2 and use fast/OC RAM. Will it be better with my own ram rather than the controller one?
Also, which is the definitive cheap NVMe, I just need a 256GB one for boot drive.

Youre the dumb fuck

I'll double down on that

serial ATA - has 1 command queue - it executes cmds in that q one at a time - its either reading or writing BUT NOT BOTH

nvme - 64 thousands queues: Reading AND writing simultaneously

>today we learned that SAS and SATA isnt full duplex

mein got user get your shit together man

What are you even saying? For the record SAS is full duplex and sata is not

You're wrong m8. Source: sandisk

kb.sandisk.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/10510/~/differences-between-sas-and-sata

>sandisk

let hear from an actual GOOD source

The SATA cable results in a higher signaling rate, which corresponds to faster throughput of data. SATA is full duplex, differential, with a transmit pair and receive pair.
delkin.com/blog/sata-serial-ata/

1. SSD internal DRAM is almost always better than system no matter how fast the system RAM is(to reasonable extents), but not necessarily by much. This is due to latency issues that arise using system RAM. Also, both the SSD and the OS needs to support HMB for this to work. For example, you cannot use LTSB 2016 as Windows only support HMB since 1709. Therefore, the SSD will fall back to using the NAND flash for the translation table which destroys the flash chips much faster, and is also slower.

I would say go for the cheapest MLC/TLC NVMe drive with integrated DDR4 DRAM. Try to avoid QLC drives and D-RAMless SSDs even if they implement HMB, since better SSDs often costs only a few dollars more. Of course, it would be good to factor in the exact controllers/flash chips used.

Never buy a dram-less SSD. they wear faster and are so much slower its not funny. One came with a comapny laptop - read speed 490MB, write speeds...10MB.

A cheap one is just a glorified sata SSD in the end. They perform very poorly and lack durability and sustained high performance under heavy load. If you're a VM user and store the machines on the same M.2 NVMe as your OS, get at least a western digital black or Samsung Evo.

There are plenty of brands to consider. Anything gets with a phison controller for a start. Ultra high performance for way less than Samsung

Is there a list anywhere of what SSDs have what controllers?