ATTENTION: Ryzen 3000 series CPUs with PCIe 4.0 will released on 7/7/2019; they will likely match or beat Intel's offerings in all categories. High performance Navi graphics cards will be released later in July. More Navi news at E3.
Want help? >State budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing: >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS) >R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming >R5 2600/X - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs >i7 8700/K - Extreme solution for absolute max FPS >R7 2700/X - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing
RAM: >Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended >CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3200CL16 is ideal >AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
Graphics cards based on current pricing: >Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty 1080p >RX 570 8GB - good performance with great value >GTX 1660 - standard >RTX 2060 - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor) 1440p >RTX 2060 - standard >RTX 2080 - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor) 2160p (4K) >RTX 2080 - standard >RTX 2080Ti - better fit for 4K but expensive
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >Don't bother buying a new monitor for gaming unless it's 144Hz with adaptive sync >A 256GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor >Bottleneck checkers are worthless
I said it before and I'll say it again. Parts marked for gaming, like high-refresh rate monitors, comfortable mice, mechanical keyboards, quality cases, etc, are selling themselves short. I wish we could have high end parts without the eccentric aesthetic.
Liam Stewart
the market dictates trends. we simply have more people spending money on rbg shit shaped like megatron than on clean functional shit so that is what gets produced.
Dylan Rogers
>ATTENTION: Ryzen 3000 series CPUs with PCIe 4.0 will released on 7/7/2019; they will likely match or beat Intel's offerings in all categories. So the ne plus ultra next week will be the Ryzen 3900X? Will AMD's new graphics cards beat Nvidia too?
David Mitchell
intel controls 65-75% of the market, how does that feel
Asher Nguyen
they should put rbgs on their cpus and make some mad bank
Levi Long
>7/7 until Zen 2 should i get asus, gigabyte or msi for highest end?
Asrock Creator comes with Thunderbolt, I'd get that one
Parker Perez
Will the new threadrippers be this year?
Kevin Gray
there are tho. Gigabyte is hardware wise the best, Asus software wise the best and MSI in the middle of both. I already have a 2080 Ti from Asus but the formula looks like shit.
Grayson Hall
>ASrock Lol no, m8. I'll use a custom loop so the aqua would be nice but 1K for a mobo? Meh
Wyatt Edwards
Then why bring the Aqua up?
Oliver Parker
If my B350 motherboard hasn't gotten an update regarding the 3000 series CPUs, is it safe to assume that it's never getting one?
It's not like I have any real use case for PCIE 4.0 right now - but it would suck to have a motherboard that is too old to support 100% of the features of the CPU in a new PC that you've just built. Hopefully, we don't have to wait 6+ months for B550.
Evan Wright
gigabyte so far looks to have the best components on their mobos
>B550 Probably won't have Gen4 either. Why do you think basic X570 board start at $250?
Carter Mitchell
CPU fair locally tomorrow, showcasing 2019 content.
Any questions I should ask specifically?
Noah Brooks
it'll come out a month or so after x just like the last gen did. i'm stoked to see the performance gains from everything, especially ethernet and hard drive connections
Nicholas Nelson
You don't need PCIE4.0 on the chipset to use PCIE4.0 lanes on the CPU itself.
Luke Phillips
>intel controls 65% of the market >most of their sales are Chinks or Street shitters
Jeez, I wonder HOW they got that high a percentage. Really makes me think.
Some things sort of make sense, high refresh rate and comfort I suppose. The more important thing for things like comfort is knowing what your preference is. Do you want glaring RGB disco shows with the sounds of exhaust like a muscle car's racing exhaust or silent no light rig. Do you want a heavy or light mouse, heavy or light keystrokes, clicking clacking keys to show off with or silent presses for the dead of night. If you are that bothered by it just copy and paste the details in paint and white out the gaming and performance buzzwords and read the specs you actually want.
Justin Ramirez
First thing you have to get used to with an SFF build is the temps. After a mid tower build, watching average temps go from 40-55 just under regular use, it's a little disconcerting. thankfully it has maxed at 86c, for now
You do need the extra PCB layers and signalling though.
Adam Miller
high dpi mice and large monitors are awesome together, same with high refresh monitors and mechanical keyboards for a nice tactile feel for lots of data entry. thankfully VESA mounts and tasteful companies are there to the rescue
Benjamin Walker
A lot of the rgb is ignorable.
Adam Perez
most of their sales are AKSHUALY pre-builts and laptops
Jordan Parker
And that's why they decided to not risk enabling PCIE4.0 support on older boards. But I'm sure that B550 boards will be built with PCIE4.0 in mind, at least on the lanes that go directly to the CPU.
Xavier Phillips
Am I going to have to upgrade to Win10 to use current shit? The z390s only have Win10 drivers
Connor Flores
Oh shit, that's good to hear. There's only a little over a month left, but hopefully they won't renege. Thanks Anons, didn't even know those charts were a thing.
Install Win10 LTSC 2019 (v1809). As far as Windows 10 editions go, this one is pretty tolerable.
Easton Fisher
>Will AMD's new graphics cards beat Nvidia too? Depends on what you mean by 'beat,' but the 2080Ti will still be the most powerful graphics card. 'Beat' in terms of price/perf has yet to be seen because Navi pricing hasn't been revealed yet and there's a rumored price drop in Nvidia's lineup. We'll probably know by the end of E3.
And AMD controls 100% of the relevant console market, how does that feel?
Agreed, hopefully BIOS modding will allow PCIe 4.0 on some 400 series mobos. Clear example of AMD being unfriendly to the enthusiast crowd.
When will B550 come out, whether there's any chance of AMD reversing it's position on PCIe 4.0 on older motherboards, and whether the Ryzen 3000 series will have an 8c/16t model at all or in the relatively near future
Nothing wrong with temps up to 90C
Adopt a pet GNU/Linux installation
Caleb Foster
>paying 1K for a monoblock A custom loop with the best parts is like 1K kek, no reason to buy sucha overpriced mobo when you can get a monoblock for 150$
>8c/16t model at all or in the relatively near future Oops, meant 16c/32t
Ryder Murphy
>Depends on what you mean by 'beat,' but the 2080Ti will still be the most powerful graphics card. Thanks. But is it the case that AMD will have the strongest/best CPU, and thus "beat" Intel?
Jeremiah Cruz
>Oops, meant 16c/32t this was my main concern as well. I was SO close to buying a 9920x recently, i'm glad I waited so I can see what AMD puts forward. I just want a new Threadripper series....
it doubles the bandwith it makes nvme ssds faster doesn't do much for videocards yet you probably won't need it
Luke Myers
double the bandwidth per pin than PCIe 3.0
So PCIe 3.0 x16 is = to PCIe 4.0 x8
Basically just a pure doubling of the bandwidth for your PCIe lanes.
Connor Ross
Nobody knows. Wait for reviews. It won't be long.
Eli Walker
>it makes nvme ssds faster Only if they have the controller for it. A PCIe 3.0 SSD isn't going to be faster plugged into a PCIe 4.0 M.2 slot.
Nathaniel Perry
I'm helping my friend build a 1080p 144fps budget gaming PC. He basically just plays CSGO, WoT and assfaggots, so high end isn't needed at all. Main question is now what CPU to aim for. I basically narrowed it down to i5-9400F vs R5 2600. Thoughts?
Samuel Miller
You can run several M.2 SSDs in RAID on a single PCIe 4.0 card. I think Gigabyte already announced one.
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor ($279.99 @ Amazon) Motherboard: MSI - B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard ($139.50 @ Amazon) Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($293.48 @ Newegg Business) Storage: ADATA - XPG SX8200 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($149.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Hitachi - Ultrastar 7K3000 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($46.35 @ Amazon) Storage: Hitachi - Ultrastar 7K3000 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($46.35 @ Amazon) Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB Black Video Card ($1129.99 @ Adorama) Monitor: Acer - XB271HU bmiprz 27.0" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor ($549.99 @ B&H) Total: $2635.64 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-06-01 21:24 EDT-0400
2700x is a stand in for the 3000 series, probably a 3800x. This will be for gaming. I really want to know where I can cut corners to save a buck without sacrificing performance. I I will be using the case, PSU, and fans from my current computer. I'll also be waiting to see if Navi will take the cost of the 2080ti down a peg or two, ideally I don't want to spend more than $2500 all in.
Isaac Jones
>Have a 180GB Intel 330 for Boot Drive >A 240GB Intel 730 for Gaems >A 500GB Corsair MX500 for Moar Gaems
Should I just invest in a few M.2 drives (Board supports up to two) and ditch the 2.5 SSDs?
Juan Green
Do you really need 7TB of storage?
Matthew Foster
>2700x is a stand in for the 3000 series, probably a 3800x Then why not get something cheaper, if you're going to replace it in the next few months anyway?
Aaron Peterson
3700X might be able to overclock to 3800X levels, but you'll have to wait and see with that
Jayden Bailey
You can get used RTX 2080 Ti's for around 850
Luke Sanchez
As someone who has 6TB and almost no free space left, I can totally see why may need more than this.
Bentley Carter
That's a lot of porn
Leo Thompson
Gaming rig doesn't need 32gb of ddr4 and you can also save some by not choosing dumb rgb sticks
Luke James
No, didn't realize I had 2 HDDs on the list. I do need 4tb.
This will be a built in July, just starting to look at my options. Fingers crossed that Nvidia drops their prices a bit by then.
Henry Bailey
>But is it the case that AMD will have the strongest/best CPU Again, depends on the metrics you use, for instance whether you're gaming, video rendering, or something else. But like the OP says, it seems that AMD will either match or beat Intel in all categories.
You probably don't need it, but if you're planning on keeping the board for a really long time, PCIe 4.0 would be nice.
Personally I'd say R5 2600 because of the upgrade path on AM4.
Matthew Jones
I have 2TB total in my current rig and only half of that is used. I wouldn't even know how to fill it up.
Adam Evans
Well the metric I would use would be the crudest one - which is the e-peen CPU to spend the big bux on.
Hudson King
Then the R9 3900X is for you
Matthew Martin
This is good to know. Is eBay/craigslist my best bet for the GPU?
I want to stay relevant for a while. This particular ram had decent latency and mhz for the price. What would you recommend for cheaper comparable ram?
Elijah Roberts
Pushed the GPU down real hard pretty much. Got some weird sata cables that bent well. It's not pretty but I won't need to touch it for quite some time and it works just fine
Kayden Hughes
Not him, but i'm at over 15TB of media content, almost none is pornographic. Though some of the anime can be ecchi.
Why is there a 30W difference in TDP between 3600 and 3600X if the clock speed of 3600X is only 200MHz higher? Seems like those TDP numbers are kind of bullshit.
Nathan Stewart
Hey lads im selling my PC for tuition money.
What kind of tests/diagnostics should i run to put in the craigslist ad? Thanks
Jonathan Taylor
Just list the specs, otherwise maybe Firestrike or Geekbench
Mason Sanchez
I'm pretty sure it can maintain a higher all core boost clock for gaming or some shit.
the X will have PBO so take that as you will.
Gabriel Gutierrez
Used GPUs are always viable, just apply some common sense. With RTX 2080 Ti's in particular you should make sure they have the good Samsung memory (just ask the seller). As for memory, you can literally get any reputable DDR4-3200mhz sticks. Just look for a decent brand like corsair vengeance.
Ryan Brown
I just can't imagine having that much stuff. I've had my current computer for five years now, and I only have about 250GB worth of data.
Aiden Collins
But shouldn't TDB be rated at the base clock on all cores?
Anthony Gray
*TDP
Daniel Lee
What's PBO?
Jace Rivera
Going for a new build with zen2, should I buy ram and an nvme ssd now that that memory prices are low? Leaf here any suggestions on what I should get? Want to spend around ~200CAD on each
Caleb Thomas
I couldn't tell you, I did say 'I'm pretty sure'
I'm just thinking it'll be able to clock higher boost and maintain it easier, where as the non-x one's will be able to hit the boosts, but maintaining all core boosts at those clocks wont be the goal.
Nicholas Robinson
I mean, it's pretty much a collection of the majority of the media content i've consumed in the last 3-4 years.
I download currently airing shows or anime, then when a bluray release comes out, i'll download that and delete the inferior TV-rip or web-rip copy.
With movies I will grab the UHD bluray remux for anything i'm interested in and it's available, otherwise i'll download a 1080p remux for things I'm interested in and plan on keeping, otherwise i'll just grab a normal 10-15GB 1080p bluray encode and keep it short term but may eventually delete it if I need some space.
It's nice having a large amount of content I have still to watch as well, if for some reason I had no internet access for a week, i'd have hundreds of hours of content I have never seen before I could watch to pass the time.
Nathaniel Stewart
Precision Boost Overdrive. It's AMD's on the spot overclocking technology that's only available on X series Ryzens. Since Ryzen's overclock weirdly on manual all core boosts and it's a bitch to stabalize, it's definitely something to consider when buying the processor.
PBO also typically gets similar to better results than manual overclocking while being much lower on power draw when idle.
Adrian Moore
2x8gb 3200mhz DDR4 SX8200 1TB
Elijah Campbell
Sounds like what Intel turbo boost does
David Scott
I don't know, holding back support unless you can guarantee that it works seems smart to me because if they enable support and old boards can't handle pcie4 speeds, they won't be able to break the perception of their shit being bargain stuff, you get what you pay for and whatnot. If they want to beat Intel, they need the performance to be there reliably.
Is there anything in particular I need to take into account when planning a build that will be overclocked down the road?
Lucas Stewart
Get a good motherboard
Owen Smith
You'll want a not shit motherboard and not shit RAM.
Benjamin Davis
I would rather save a buck on the ram by going with 2x8gb now and then buying another 2x8gb later if needed. Right now there is no gaming benefit to 32gb.
Henry Brown
Nope. AMD has a regular boost, just like Intel. PBO goes beyond that.
Jaxon Diaz
Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro good enough?
Angel Nguyen
What does that mean
Is AMDs regular boost NOT doing something intel IS doing?? Or is PBO doing something that intel isn't doing?
From what I can tell XFR/PBO work in conjunction to more or less do what intel's turbo boost does.
Ayden Clark
That will do just fine
Jose Carter
No. And don't buy Intel. And don't buy now.
Andrew Williams
You're never gonna stop people from buying intel sadly.
At a certain point, you just gotta let them buy what they want.
Asher Mitchell
What do you mean by "regular boost"? Intel turbo boost is adaptive as well and doesn't simply boost allcore.
