Why is making pc cases so hard? You would think after decades of cases being made...

why is making pc cases so hard? You would think after decades of cases being made, people would've figured out an ideal design by now?

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no one cares about the fucking airflow potential of the front of a case leading to a 2c difference in CPU temps steve you autistic nigger

The ideal design probably involves convection assisted cooling. But the physical design of pc parts makes it hard to pull off and what we have is good enough, temps dont really matter so long as its safe for the hardware

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There's nothing to innovate in the PC case design industry
Now you just try to balance form, function, overall design, and how much you're going to charge.

>Now you just try to balance form, function, overall design
but the peak aesthetic was already achieved decades ago as well.

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A tube. One big fan on the front, one big fan on the back. Components in between.

Not a bad idea. An extruded alu tube would be perfect, only issue would be diameter. Sourcing tubing wide enough to fit an itx board shouldn't be too bad.

Jow Forums secretly loves the trash can

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Its a good idea. The issue with Apple's implementation was it lacked cooling capacity. The hardware inside got super hot from small heat sinks.

The ideal PC case is a server rack.
Overheating is a decades spanning tradition of apple products.

Peak case design was already achieved years ago, but dropped for terrible aesthetic zoomie taste

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>The issue with Apple's implementation was it lacked cooling capacity. The hardware inside got super hot from small heat sinks.
They've been doing this for over a decade, they run hot as hell because Apple likes to use non-aggressive fan curves. They get away with it because it's bothersome as fuck to check hardware temps in OS X.
They also love to pack components in a really tight space together, Most of their solutions are laptop tier.

If they stopped being so autistic about muh small design and muh noise then they wouldn't be making computers that are hot enough to fry an egg on when under load.

Y'know. I had an Antec 900 like everyone else and they made great cases for their time but they have some real big quirks. Their fan cages etc. Their best products were their HTPC cases

Corsair's cube cases are pretty good as a replacement for Antec's cases but I guess no-one likes them because they're a giant cube.

antec 902
this is my case :)

Why do you care about temps? If the components are rated to operate at 90°C there is no reason to not let them operate at 90°C.
Nothing more annoying than a laptop spooling up fans when it is not necessary.

thats not 900

PC cases are designed to the desires of the PC case market, as a result PC cases are designed by toy merchants for gamer kidults who don't into real computing.

> Nothing more annoying than a laptop spooling up fans when it is not necessary.
There is, like first degree burns, for example.

>convection-assisted cooling
No.

>Nothing more annoying than a laptop spooling up fans when it is not necessary.
How about a laptop not spooling up fans when it is necessary(and losing 30% percent of its performance).

>If the components are rated to operate at 90°C there is no reason to not let them operate at 90°C.
Running a component at its maximum temperature rating will inevitably decrease its lifespan. In addition to that, Li-ion batteries most absolutely do not like heat and will absolutely degrade quicker because of it, sometimes even becoming dangerous and at the very least reducing the lifespan of the device, since the fucking battery is not designed to be easily removable and replaceable by the user. Then there's also the obvious fact that all modern components stick to their thermal target by throttling, which means that lack of proper cooling directly decreases system performance.

The only reason anyone gets away with such poor cooling is that most users don't actually put sustained, long-term load on their systems, so the piddly and undersized cooling manages to soak up a few, infrequent bursts of higher usage without heating up too much. It utterly fails in the face of sustained load, of course.

I think tests have proved it doesn't really do much, but I'm still disappointed Silverstone hasn't updated the FT05 and similar cases.

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this is the real problem, form and function need to be sacrificed in order to make things look a certain way since looks are the primary purchasing factor

That's called a macbook, and they sell quite well.

Why did Antec discontinue this case? It is an improvement over the 900/1200 design
>replaces proprietary 200m top fan with 2 140mm fan that can be replaced by 2x120mm radiator
>3 front panel doors for hotswapping, easy front fan replacement and filter cleaning. They are also lockable from the inside.
>CPU cutout on the motherboard tray for easy backplate access
>external 2.5" docking bay on top

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Are you fucking serious?

Don't forget the nice roasty toasty to the touch feature. Hands getting warm while typing? Just place your hands on your 90+c aluminium shelled computer. That'll warm them up fast!

Fucking this. Apple cunts will make any excuse they can to justify shitty design

The ideal design has already been produced. It is called the Antec P180. Unfortunately, the new generation of faggot gamers decided it doesn't have enough RGB and is too heavy, so it has been discontinued.

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didja know what the tcase spec is for, son?

looks like the average fractal design case

what is the best case for temps if I'm going to replace all the fans with noctua and use a cpu air cooler?

a horizontal motherboard case like a fractal x9 or x5?

Cooler Master H500 series. Best bang for the buck.

>Antec P180
It's a funny way of spelling Deepcool Frame

Had one, I now have one with MORE RGB, but it is also heavier. So you're 3/4ths right.

the door would warp and not close properly, you couldn't have the 2x3.5" bay fitted if you had long expansion cards, the top fan couldn't be soft mounted.
still, they couldn't have made it better without pricing it out of reach.

That's still the quietest case on silentpcreview so it probably does work.

probably because that site hasn't updated in literally years

They have already perfected it. Pic related, It's the best PC case ever made.

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>a fucking shroud cutout to show your psu sticker

>no direct airflow from the front, just restrictive side vent shit.
I doubt it is, unless that whole face plate is designed to be removed and to stay off.

It's for modern PSU's that have display panels on the side that shows the current power usage. You can also remove your PSU's sticker or put your own.

You can remove the front and top sound dampening covers. It has a double mesh filter (dust filters can also be removed for more airflow). So It's like if you don't need the better airflow you can slap them back on to make your computer quieter (they are magnetic).

the ideal case would be dust proof, liquid proof, with a cooling system that responded to temperature outside the case as well as inside the case and on the components boards. It would be quiet, and also have enough room for good cable management

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>ideal design
>no need to change case ever again
Why do you want people to buy one case and keep it basically forever? Are you some kind of commie?

That's pretty ni...oh it has tempered glass

yes. No need to constantly reinvent the wheel. I bet you think linux is also communist?

It actually works, there's a fanless workstation that uses it, Compulab Airtop.

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I've been pondering: some of my HDDs are loud af, so I was thinking about getting BQ 801 or 601. The standard
>better airflow with slower fans will be better
doesn't apply, because it's the hdd being loud. Does anyone here have any experience with it?
As a side note, it's astonishing how something with as many holes as corsair 200R can have such awful airflow. I'd be surprised if it doesn't hold some sort of record.

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you know you're supposed put fans on those holes right?

Will a PC case ever be as beautiful as this?

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I own 3 of these. They are perfect.

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The issue is how idiotically the holes are placed. I'll elaborate later, I don't have time rrn.

>I don't have time rrn
lolk

Some of us aren't shit-in neets, you know.
Here it goes:
The side intakes are both blocked by GPU (580 nitro+). The only thing they're good for is that the GPU isn't completely shut off in its own sauna - because towards the front, the GPU ends near the HDD cage, which means no air from the top and no air from the front either, because there's just a single 120mm fan in the middle. Oh, and that also means that there's basically zero airflow over the HDD cage. The top half is a bit better, but you'll still have hard time establishing any deliberate airflow - unless you want to put two outward facing fans on the top - in which case have fun with that negative pressure and no dust filters, the first fan which sucks out cold air right as it comes from the front won't be of much use either. That about covers it.

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>Some of us aren't shit-in neets, you know.
I-im working on a sunday guys and totally not j*king off to shota porn t-trust me you NEETS

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Bitfenix tried but failed. I wish I had bought 3 of them. Now I'm stuck waiting for the tempered glass trend to die

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both look gay and ugly

This it the best design.

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Got to work on the last gen of those that ran PowerPC in college. Their internals were beautiful, their cooling solution was pro-tier, and it was expanable. Too bad Apple stopped believing in professional equipment.

perfection has already been achieved

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2 kewl 4 skool

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Are there any Jow Forums-approved cases?

RGB
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The non-rgb ones.
fractal-design.com/home/product/cases/define-series

>RGB
FAG

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is it safe to put a noctua inside a seasonic instead of the no-name one?

try it and find out

It has nothing to do with ideal design and everything to do with ensuring constant sales. IF there was one, ideal case, case manufacturers would go out of business after a year.
>Side note:
I'm unfortunately having to finally abandon my ASUS T-10 case from 1998. IT's served me so well for all these years and I absolutely love the aesthetic but it's early ATX and just isn't deep enough to accommodate modern coolers for my next build.

Noctua Fans and Cooler with a Seasonic PSU and a Fractal Design case

i will

>ASUS T-10 case
why are there no images of that?

The "ideal" case is impossible, see but not only that. It would have room for anything inside while being infinitly small.

People have different needs and wants, that change over time. I could make a image of what I think would be the ultimate cases and I no one ITT would agree with me.

>glass front
>glass side
>glass top

Where's the airflow?

Still rocking my vulcan. It's been due for a cleanup for some time now though.

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>why is making cars so hard? You would think after decades of cars being made, people would've figured out an ideal design by now?
First and foremost, people's tastes change. Secondly, new manufacturing processes are created. There is no ideal case, it depends on what you find aesthetic

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literal dumbass
worst worst fan > any convection being done in a PC case

Those were released too soon, for stupid purposes.

But damn are they great.

Shitty HDD mounts does this

Fractal has garbage hdd mounts too.

Im kinda missing my shit Nanoxia case, at least the hdd mounts were proper on it.

Yes.

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Fan assisted convection proves you wrong.

But convection is necessary for silent and small builds.

Fan assisted convection only works on huge scales.

Any 90mm shit tier fans will do 99.98% of the heat dissipation in a pc case over any convection.

Ultimate "on desk case"
acrylic/tempered glass (both available) on all sides except bottom, 1-2" gap between glass plates for perfect airflow, almost like open air. Glass plates and components are mounted on a thin steel frame, only two 120/140mm rgb fans in the front blowing air in. Very simple, no 3.5" mounts and only 2-3 2.5" mounting spots in the bottom. mATX and mITX versions

Ultimate home server case:
E-ATX/ATX/mATX
Fully filtered front with 3x 120/140mm fans, 10x 3.5mm quick detach, dampened slots, made out of sheet metal. Cheap.

Fractal Design Define R5 is the pinnacle of case design

>"b-b-butt Steve from Gamer's Nexus said"

just open the front panel door 1 inch and airflow is just as good as mesh-meme cases

what did he say?

>people would've figured out an ideal design by now?

That's the problem.
Fractal design already exist. Now they don't know what to do anymore/

I swapped all the fans for Silent wings 3 and it keeps my build both cool and queit with the front closed.

And my build is 2700X with PBO enabled and Vega 64 Nitro+.
The thing blasts heat out of the back and heats up my entier room, but it's fucking quiet and the component temps are just fine.

In terms of aluminum cases I prefer the design of later sun workstations.
Boxx workstations imitate the design.
The best looking case is probably either the X68000 or FM Towns though.
The amiga 1000 looks awesome too.
The sun has a good aesthetic and good cooling capacity.

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I feel like monitors are the hardest, no one can ever seem to make them right there's always some sort of issue with them, backlight bleed, burn in, poor colour quality etc.. and it doesn't seem to affect much even if you pay a shit ton more. you can at least get a custom pc case

Convection always happens and cooling is always convection assisted. I know you mean the improved cooling you get from letting the hot air rise upwards through the top of the case instead of out another side. That effect is minuscule.

It's a great design except for apple's obsession with making things smoll. If it was the size of an actual trash can then it would be good. Even visually, I'm put off by how small the trash can pro tm is.

Pretty sure he was serious, lol. I think that poster actually works for appel.

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This is an ideal case but autists want rgb.

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But components are rectangular, so a tube wouldn't be a good fit.

if you want a display that isn't an overclocked TV panel hot-glued together in a korean back alley sweatshop you REALLY have to pay for it.

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>aluminum
Those Suns were plastic on the front and steel for the rest though

>steel
So it is (pic related). As far as I'm concerned that's an upgrade to aluminum.
The only part that's plastic on the front as far as I can tell is the 5-1/4" bay
The grill is metal
Not 100% sure about the bezel magnet won't stick but it feels metal, it could just be a very convincing metallic paint.

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