Do you trust it enough, Jow Forums?

do you trust it enough, Jow Forums?
>+recommended by snowden and schneier
>+just werkz, easy to get normie friends to use it because you tell them its like iMessage for all phones, no GPG bullshittery or creating an account

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do I trust the crypto? yes.
do I trust moxie to not be a giant fucking faggot? no.

that said this is the path of least resistance that I've found for getting normies to use something properly end-to-end encrypted and private.

the only con is that devs are gay and force google services down your throat and can't get it to f-droid

signal.org/android/apk/
>install apk and update every other week
>dont be a fuck and use a ROM without google play services such as lineage
>giant fucking faggot
as in, doing a mozilla on us and leaking info out + adding telemetry? or do you mean being a faggot as in just being an arrogant pain in the ass like he has proven to be already?

>being a faggot as in just being an arrogant pain in the ass like he has proven to be already?
this one. He fought tooth and nail against removing the play services dependency and still hates federation. Also if I remember correctly his being a dick is the only reason its not on f-droid. I think it was something to do with the fact that f-droid can be told to leave an app as it is and you can choose not to update, and he didn't like that. (you can see this in how there's another pointless release of signal every week or so, and it badgers you to upgrade even if there's no security patch needed)

Jesus just use standard message that comes with the phone. A text is a fucking text.

thanks for clarifying.
why do you trust the service to be private?
also do you think it's inclusion of google play services is a security flaw? most people are on phones with it installed anyway, and it seems to only use google play services for notifications on android, not iOS. what I'm trying to ask is do you think considering 99% of android normies have google play services and tonnes of spyware on their phone (facebook, uber, tinder, instagram, snapchat) that your messages are safe even if you're using signal and if it didnt have google play services?

phone service providers sell texts to facebook. I can confirm in Australia at least, when i had a facebook, every time i switched ISP my new service provider would join the list of "advertising partners" in facebook settings. i then proceeded to text "dog toys" multiple times to a friend, and sure enough i started getting ads on facebook regarding dog toys.
not to mention that all ISP's and telecommunication companies are bound by data retention laws.
Anything you text can and will be used against you in court of law.

>>why do you trust the service to be private?
Well I'm not an expert but the crypto seems to be on solid foundations instead of the roll-your-own some other apps have, you can search for the gory details if you want. More important are two other things, though. One is that compromising your privacy wouldn't provide them an avenue towards making money that I can see. (this is why, for instance, I wouldn't trust whatsapp now that Facebook owns them) Two, you can find the full account of this on their website, they've had a subpoena from the feds demanding all sorts of information on two Signal users. Names, locations, other contact info, billing records, contacts, text of and metadata about all messages they sent and received. Signal replied saying that of the requested data, the only data they held (and could therefore give to the feds in response) was a timestamp for account creation and a timestamp for the last time Signal's servers had heard from that account. That's it, no identity, no messages, no metadata. Which I take as good evidence that they architected their system properly: so that they don't and can't know or collect most kinds of information about your communications.

>also do you think it's inclusion of google play services is a security flaw?
Well its important to distinguish between security and privacy. Google has a lot of really smart people and provides really good security. They provide no privacy though. That said, Moxie's beef was more what you said, and due to the fact that some kind of notification thing wouldn't work right without it. He relented after someone else did the work of implementing it and demonstrated that it didn't change the user experience at all except for that one thing.

SMS messages are also transmitted in clear, so not just your ISP but anyone on the network path can eavesdrop. Or alter them, there's no authentication.